Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

[JayBee74]

Are you kidding me? I didn't even know this fight was on! Taylor was leading 106-102 on all three scorecards when he was KOed in the 12 round!!

[JayBee74]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

I take that back. Two of the three judges had Taylor up 106-102, while one had Frosh ahead 106-102, which is kind of interesting because the article said Frosh was taking a pounding for much of the fight. Lets give Frosh some credit-he was the WBC super middleweight king, and did have a 24-0 record with 20 KOs. Frosh was down in the third.

[Writer's Block]

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Sorry to be a nitpicker but it's spelled Froch. Watched the fight - it was great, but Froch's days as a champion are numbered. Taylor was winning pretty comfortably until his usual stamina issues showed up again, if he had stayed up another for another 15 seconds he would have won the fight.

[Complex]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

Sorry to be a nitpicker but it's spelled Froch. Watched the fight - it was great, but Froch's days as a champion are numbered. Taylor was winning pretty comfortably until his usual stamina issues showed up again, if he had stayed up another for another 15 seconds he would have won the fight.

I mentioned this in the HBO thread but Taylor's conditioning stinks. He is just athletic (like a C level Roy Jones) but his boxing tools are sub par.

[JayBee74]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

Sorry to be a nitpicker but it's spelled Froch. Watched the fight - it was great, but Froch's days as a champion are numbered. Taylor was winning pretty comfortably until his usual stamina issues showed up again, if he had stayed up another for another 15 seconds he would have won the fight.

No problem-learn something new every day-was the fight on Showtime? Was it a PPV?

[JayBee74]

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Oh, Showtime-I just saw the last round and a little bit of the 11th on Youtube in less than stellar quality. Looked like Froch showed a lot of heart.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Anybody miss the the good old days with the 15 round fights? I know there's safety issues now but who knows how many classic endings we have missed like the Leonard-Hearns fight where one guy is trailing throughout the fight and just relies on heart to take out his opponent in the 14th or 15th round as the other guy starts to tire because he didn't pace himself. If Cooney-Holmes had been 12 rounds Holmes would have lost as he was trailing on scorecards (even though he shouldn't have been but that's a whole other issue.)

[Complex]

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Anybody miss the the good old days with the 15 round fights? I know there's safety issues now but who knows how many classic endings we have missed like the Leonard-Hearns fight where one guy is trailing throughout the fight and just relies on heart to take out his opponent in the 14th or 15th round as the other guy starts to tire because he didn't pace himself. If Cooney-Holmes had been 12 rounds Holmes would have lost as he was trailing on scorecards (even though he shouldn't have been but that's a whole other issue.)

Well many of the successful fighters still train for 15 rounds. Hatton and Mayweather are good examples, throw in Williams too. Prepare for 15, go in for 12. Very successful strategy.

On the flip, the number of rounds has little bearing IMO. While conditioning is important, some guys have the fight planned in their head and make adjustments throughout. While you can name fights that the outcome would have been different, there are the same amount of fights that wouldn't be changed at all.

[allBthere]

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I'm going to find a way to see this. Saw last night's hbo after dark, and some other fight too, but they weren't very special. This should be a decent bit of entertainment - I though Taylor would have won easily.

[Complex]

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I'm going to find a way to see this. Saw last night's hbo after dark, and some other fight too, but they weren't very special. This should be a decent bit of entertainment - I though Taylor would have won easily.

PM for a link

[N51_rob]

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I watched this and was a little disappointed in Jermain in the last 2+ rounds. He took the best shots that Froch had to give him. This was his belt to lose and he did just that. I think that he could've/should've taken a knee after the first knockdown and still won the fight on two of the judges scorecards assuming that he would've lost the 12th 10-7 and still been up 113-112. I know that he didn't know that but, I was actually pulling for him for the first time in quite a few fights. He needs to be able to finish fights I don't know what he can do to improve his stamina but he needs to do it. No reason for him to give away the last 3 rounds of a fight that he seemed to be controlling.

[Complex]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

I watched this and was a little disappointed in Jermain in the last 2+ rounds. He took the best shots that Froch had to give him. This was his belt to lose and he did just that. I think that he could've/should've taken a knee after the first knockdown and still won the fight on two of the judges scorecards assuming that he would've lost the 12th 10-7 and still been up 113-112. I know that he didn't know that but, I was actually pulling for him for the first time in quite a few fights. He needs to be able to finish fights I don't know what he can do to improve his stamina but he needs to do it. No reason for him to give away the last 3 rounds of a fight that he seemed to be controlling.

There is a difference between a steady pace and just throwing punches. Jermaine just throws punches sometimes. He has a monster jab and Froch does not. But you could see times where Froch wasn't even tryin to land a punch but just would extend his arm to keep Taylor off balance. Taylor has awful stamina and many fighters do but worse than bad stamina he just waste energy at times. He seems so tight in the ring, all his moves are deliberate and never just seem to flow.

You are right, he lost the fight he should have won. You can punch a little and grab/hold. Its not attractive but its good for winning rounds and saving energy. Froch had it his mind what he wanted to do the whole fight.

[Cryolemon]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

Carl Froch's parents used to run a bar in the village I live in.

[DONF]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

Taylor may want to consider retiring. This beating he took my have some long term effect. His former trainer Stewart touched on his conditioning. I do believe this is one of the reasons why they split. Taylor is not a willing student. He is talented to certain degree but has never corrected his wide throwing stance and overhand right motion. In addition to his lack of stamina, if you watch Taylors feet and get use to the timing of his right hand he is bait. Additionally, any type of jab causes him to reset and stops his offense. Sad to say, mentally he is also not a good fighter. He is unable to think in the ring which causes him to be one dimensional.

[N51_rob]

Re: Carl Frosh Stuns Jermain Taylor

Read this in Dan Rafaels' column about Taylors corner going into the 12.

Taylor, the former undisputed middleweight champ, needed only to make it to the final bell to earn a title in a second division. But Froch, 31, who had been hurt and down for the first time as a pro or amateur in the third round and was being outboxed and outpunched, never wilted. Taylor, however, was fading late in the fight, and his corner made a serious blunder by telling him he was trailing going into the 12th round and that he needed to win it to win the fight. Froch's corner gave him proper instructions by telling him he was losing heading into the last round. Both listened to their corners, and Taylor tried to fight instead of playing defense. It cost him dearly. Froch dropped the aggressive Taylor hard with about 90 seconds to go -- all credit to him for even getting up -- and was battering a near-defenseless Taylor on the ropes during the follow-up attack when referee Michael Ortega properly intervened to give England's Froch the unlikely victory in his first defense of the vacant belt he claimed from Jean Pascal in December. Taylor, 30, will never be able to hear the number 14 again for the rest of his life without thinking of what might have been.

Also interesting was the fact that the British judge at the fight had the fight 106-102 in Froch's favor. Judging in boxing is the biggest joke in the sport. You can't look at that fight subjectivly and come out with a 106-102 for Froch going into the 12th, not if you claim to be a boxing fan. Take nothing away from the man he won the fight and deserves all the credit in the world as taking the late rounds were a huge part of his game, plan.