Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

[jbdeuce]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Hatton's career would be over b/c he would lose that fight.

Berto needs to see Clottey, Judah, or Williams.

Berto has to take on a real welterweight soon before we forget he around.

yea Clottey would beat Hatton easy, but Hatton's name on his resume would make Clottey known to a larger audience.

I agree with you on Berto but I don't know if he beat Collazo the more I watch that fight...lol

[backbreaker]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Clottey should had taken more advantage of that cut. I thought he could win the fight, but Cotto kept fighting and that's what won him the fight.

Watch the fight again and tell me when Cotto landed punches? Just like Manny said Cotto punches were to the arm and gloves the majority of the time. Who gives a damn if you are throwing punches and busy, its the fight game land some of those ish. Most people are influenced by Lampley and he knows it. Cossell and Norman Lear, has proven the play by play guy is more influential to a bout than Judges, to the home audience. Why do you think Manny and Max think Clottey won? cause they filter out the bull ish and watch where punches land.

Why wasn't Clottey throwing punches, well if you watch the fight, he was slipping on all the signage but when he had traction he abused Cotto, who wasn't effective at all.

[aholbert32]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

-Ricky Hatton vs Joshua Clottey.....they need each other now! lol

-Berto vs Collazo rematch....because I need to see them fight again.

Match the winners and they instantly bring MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR A BIG FIGHT!

Ricky isnt fighting at Welterweight anymore and Clottey isnt cutting to Junior Welter.

[Complex]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Clottey jumps and hops into his punches and a slippery ring was worse for him. Cotto wasnt as bothered.

I do give Cotto credit for taking the fight, finishing the fight (b/c I thought he might try to get out of there). He did show heart, and earned my respect.

[Complex]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Watch the fight again and tell me when Cotto landed punches? Just like Manny said Cotto punches were to the arm and gloves the majority of the time. Who gives a damn if you are throwing punches and busy, its the fight game land some of those ish. Most people are influenced by Lampley and he knows it. Cossell and Norman Lear, has proven the play by play guy is more influential to a bout than Judges, to the home audience. Why do you think Manny and Max think Clottey won? cause they filter out the bull ish and watch where punches land.

Why wasn't Clottey throwing punches, well if you watch the fight, he was slipping on all the signage but when he had traction he abused Cotto, who wasn't effective at all.

I agree with you on the punching and landing and the slippery ring. Cotto did not landing many meaningful punches. Can you name 5?

I remember Clottey snapping Cottos head several times with his flurries and uppercuts.

[nightcreeper]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

cotto just won..... gosh i hate him

[Epiffani]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

As already mentioned throughout this thread, 116-111 to Cotto was completely ridiculous. Whichever judge had that score doesn't need to be a judge in another boxing match again, SMH. I'm not too upset with the final decision however, because Clottey did gift wrap some of those rounds (inparticular the last two). I started to worry when I watched the pre-match interview with Clottey, and he said that he felt like he could win a decision in MSG where Cotto is no stranger, & in front of a pro-Cotto crowd. When you're on somebodies elses home turf, you have to go and snatch the fight, and leave it out of the judges hands, even though I had Clottey winning, he didn't take the fight.

Overall, (besides that one judge) that was a great showcase of boxing, and I'll prolly watch the fight again when it airs tomorrow to see if I would have scored the fight differently than I had it tonight.

[jbdeuce]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Thats it right there Epiffani....Clottey didn't take the fight! It was damn gift wrapped in blood. LOL You can't give away the last 2 1/2 rounds, you can't complain about punches and waste time, and you can't stop going to the body of a badly cut fighter.

But i could have went either way on with outcome.

[jbdeuce]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Ricky isnt fighting at Welterweight anymore and Clottey isnt cutting to Junior Welter.

If Ricky wants big fights that not for titles he would want to fight at Welter or retire....cuz at Junior, all roads lead right back to Pac Man. And no way would Clottey move down...

[shigogouhou]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Cotto won, but the scorecards he won on should be the last ones those two judges hand in. 116-111 and 115-112? Wasn't close to that one-sided, unless Clottey got a 10-8 against in one of the last two rounds where he essentially phoned it in.

I was expecting unanimous Cotto 114-113 across the board.

[Complex]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

If Ricky wants big fights that not for titles he would want to fight at Welter or retire....cuz at Junior, all roads lead right back to Pac Man. And no way would Clottey move down...

there are a few fights at 140 but not many big ones Hatton wants or can win. Oritz, Holt, Bradley, Campbell, Torres. All quality guys but Hatton takes those fights and lose, he can stick to FNF after that.

[acarrero]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

It came down to heart.

Cotto never complained about cut, even though it clearly bothered him. Clottey was slipping all over the place while Cotto wasn't. Clottey complaining in the last round of low blows and other accidental things (like the massive head butt he gave to Cotto?) just didn't seem to want to fight as much in the end.

Miguel was the better warrior today, he deserved the victory, especially when you consider that he had to stare down his darkest demons from the Margarito fight - this was a similar test (minus cement wraps). Cotto came in great shape and was the more active, better fighter in the championship rounds, despite one of the worst cuts I've seen. 114-113 seems right.

It's time for Arum to step up and give Cotto the fight he deserves - against one of the superstar little guys of the division - enough of these big welters with iron chins like Margarito and Clottey. Give him a Hatton to show off with, or a Pretty Boy Floyd, who will have to answer some hard questions if he dares fight Cotto. Pacman would present a potentially thrilling match-up as well.

[Complex]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

It came down to heart.

Cotto never complained about cut, even though it clearly bothered him. Clottey was slipping all over the place while Cotto wasn't. Clottey complaining in the last round of low blows and other accidental things (like the massive head butt he gave to Cotto?) just didn't seem to want to fight as much in the end.

Miguel was the better warrior today, he deserved the victory, especially when you consider that he had to stare down his darkest demons from the Margarito fight - this was a similar test (minus cement wraps). Cotto came in great shape and was the more active, better fighter in the championship rounds, despite one of the worst cuts I've seen. 114-113 seems right.

It's time for Arum to step up and give Cotto the fight he deserves - against one of the superstar little guys of the division - enough of these big welters with iron chins like Margarito and Clottey. Give him a Hatton to show off with, or a Pretty Boy Floyd, who will have to answer some hard questions if he dares fight Cotto. Pacman would present a potentially thrilling match-up as well.

I can see 114-113, there were two rounds that couldve gone either day which would flip my score to this. In Clottey's defense he deserves a shot at a title, maybe vs Berto next.

[JayBee74]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

I only turned the fight on after seeing this thread. The 6th round was just winding down with Cotto "semi pummeling" Clottey on the ropes. The last six rounds were entertaining-I thought they'd stop the fight because of that nasty cut.

[edaddy]

Re: Cotto vs Clottey - Who wins, how, and why?

Watch the fight again and tell me when Cotto landed punches? Just like Manny said Cotto punches were to the arm and gloves the majority of the time. Who gives a damn if you are throwing punches and busy, its the fight game land some of those ish. Most people are influenced by Lampley and he knows it. Cossell and Norman Lear, has proven the play by play guy is more influential to a bout than Judges, to the home audience. Why do you think Manny and Max think Clottey won? cause they filter out the bull ish and watch where punches land.

Why wasn't Clottey throwing punches, well if you watch the fight, he was slipping on all the signage but when he had traction he abused Cotto, who wasn't effective at all.

Exactly...I think Clottey was the winner by a split decision if that..Cotto threw punches but didn't land..even in the 6th where he supposedly dominated he didn't land clean effective punches..And is it me or wasn't Cotto the one backing up the last 5 rounds of the fight and throwing ineffective flurries...I think the ring hurt Clottey as far as him sliipping..He couldn't settle in on his shots and when he did he slipped..Still to me he was the more effective aggressor and landed the harder cleaner shots the entire night.But he shouldv'e realized that this was essentially Cotto's home and he had to pull out at least the last round decisively..He started following Cotto around the ring without actually cutting him of and ripping him up inside...I did notice that when Cotto went Southpaw it confused Clottey to some extent ...either way we need a rematch...