Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

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  • pike
    Banned
    • May 2006
    • 104

    #16
    oops! story continues.....

    ill-advised haymaker, and I weave and come around with a vicious uppercut counter punch that catches Taylor square. He's down. Will he get up? At the 5 count, he's up, then down......at 8, he's back up....will he stay up...is the fight over, am I going to lose on the cards after putting this guy nearly to sleep? Nope.....Taylor falls, and the fight is over. 30 minutes of pure gaming bliss that I have not found with ANY other sports game that I can remember. As for the cards......it would have been a lopsided 87-82 victory for Taylor.

    UFC?

    After getting my created fighter's stats up enough to call him a true kickboxer, most of my fights end in the first round, or early second with a blow to my opponents head that lands flush across the back of the neck. A couple of fights go to the 3rd when my opponent insists on spamming shoot takedowns over and over. Fun? Sure. But it lasts for about 4-5 minutes and then its back to less-than-fun minigames and the worst menu system I have ever seen. I know that the quick fights are somewhat true to life---UFC fights can end in a heartbeat, we all know that. But I also know that not every fight is a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'm affair that seems the norm in Undisputed.

    I realize that my 2 cents on the matter is hardly scientific, or really qualified, but it's really not close for me as to which of these is the best fighting simulation on the market.

    I will say that it would not surprise me to see both games as heavy contenders for Sports Game of the Year.......unless Madden actually lives up to the hype.

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    • CeltBhoy33
      Love Celtic, Hate Racism
      • Dec 2005
      • 1446

      #17
      Disagree Boxing has become a dead sport get over it let MMA in. I have both and I enjoy UFC undisputed a lot more.
      MCRD October 29. Oh Rah!
      Soon to be a United States Marine

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      • T-villesFinest74
        Rookie
        • Jun 2009
        • 2

        #18
        Markees007 how can you call boxing a dead sport when boxing has the highest ppv order in the world in a single night. MMA is a great sport and I like them both. Each has its ups and downs but there is alot more money to be made in boxing than there is in MMA and for that reason a lone boxing is the better sport than MMA. Hands down.
        T-villesFinest74

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        • Darxide
          Rookie
          • Mar 2006
          • 222

          #19
          Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

          The stand up in UFC is too simplistic to give it a 10-8 in gameplay. Otherwise, i agree with the article mostly. UFC's career mode isn't good enough to interest me in playing through it again. I couldn't care any less about online mode in either game. Fight Night's superior physics and mechanics and it's career mode make it a more enjoyable game for me. UFC certainly did a good job of holding me over, and I'm sure UFC 2010 will be stellar.

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          • pike
            Banned
            • May 2006
            • 104

            #20
            I'm sorry, I thought we were comparing two video games--not the vital signs of the sport of boxing.

            Fight Night is the better game, regardless of the real sport's popularity vs. UFC. Get over that how about.

            A couple of other points in FN's corner.....way less lag in online play, much better career mode (the incessant messages to do some crappy autograph signing, with no real reward for doing so really started to wear thin with me), gameplay that better reflects the sport it is emulating (not every UFC match ends in a flash KO in the first round, submissions are basically useless, the ground game is not intuitive, the striking game is missing alot, etc.) and, oh yeah, boxer share.

            Boxer share, alone, wins this fight for replay value alone. When I did my LHW career in UFC, I fought the same 5 guys more times than I can count. In FN, the sky is the limit. I have fought Borat, Rocky, Apollo Creed, etc., and UFC can't touch that. I mean, how many times can you fight Rampage and Griffin before you get bored? Add in the fact that you can change weight classes in FN, and geez...I think it is a 10-6 for FN in terms of single player.

            I will say, to end this little diatribe, that in real life I much prefer UFC of boxing. Boxing as of late has become a lot less interesting to watch than some of the great UFC fights taking place. So I'm not a boxing fanboy by any stretch. But when it comes to these two games, FN is king.

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            • thelasthurtknee
              MVP
              • Jun 2003
              • 1459

              #21
              Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

              Originally posted by FootballForever
              sorry, dumb comparison, these games are total different sports, it's like comparing golf to football.
              golf to football? well since the gym i train at has a pro boxing coach that works with us as much as the other trainers i would say your comment was terrible. when i played college football i never saw a golf coach out there.

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              • thelasthurtknee
                MVP
                • Jun 2003
                • 1459

                #22
                Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

                Originally posted by T-villesFinest74
                Markees007 how can you call boxing a dead sport when boxing has the highest ppv order in the world in a single night. MMA is a great sport and I like them both. Each has its ups and downs but there is alot more money to be made in boxing than there is in MMA and for that reason a lone boxing is the better sport than MMA. Hands down.
                the amount of money doing it makes it better? lol. ok.

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                • pike
                  Banned
                  • May 2006
                  • 104

                  #23
                  Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

                  Originally posted by FootballForever
                  sorry, dumb comparison, these games are total different sports, it's like comparing golf to football.
                  Sure, I mean, Tiger hits a mean 3 iron with his pads and helmet on right? And did you see that shoestring tackle he had on John Daly over at the 18th green? Wicked.

                  Yep, I totally see your point.

                  But two sports where BOXING is a style involved in the competition, no no no....now that is a dumb comparison indeed. Apples and Oranges.

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                  • parker002
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 1465

                    #24
                    Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

                    I think the best comparison that can be made for Boxing vs. MMA is open-wheel/Formula 1/Indy racing vs. NASCAR.

                    Boxing is the older, more-refined sport. MMA is rougher, edgier, and puts on a higher-octane show. Boxing is FAR more popular in the rest of the world like Formula 1, while MMA fans in the US are rabid, just like NASCAR fans.
                    Recovering slider addict...Fight Night Round 4 caused me to relapse...

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                    • Swanison
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 11

                      #25
                      mma vs boxing is no where near the same has football vs golf. I understand where your coming from but these two fighting games can easily be compared.

                      FNR4 easily wins. FNR3 vs UFC Undisputed is a better matchup. FNR3 was the first boxing game on next gen with good gameplay and lots of great ideas but not living up to full potential while UFC Undiputed was the first MMA game with good gameplay and lots of great ideas but not living up to full potential. FNR4 is way to advanced for undisputed going deeper in every category. inside out game, length and reach vs short and powerful, corner game, real physics, sig boxer styles, smart AI, legacy mode, online world championship, counter punching, strategic boxing, authentic arenas and stadiums vs a fun UFC game with the the main game modes that people would only like more if they liked mma more than boxing.

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                      • BlackRome
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 198

                        #26
                        There might be 2 boxers who average 100 punches around. It just doesn't happen in real boxing. Especially in the heavy weight division. I doubt many or any of you have actually been in a boxing ring. FN4 is nothing like real boxing. I would rather play Evander Holyfield boxing than this mess. This game takes the science of boxing and turns it into the intelligent design theory.

                        Just keep pushing the stick.

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                        • allBthere
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 5847

                          #27
                          Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

                          Originally posted by Swanison
                          mma vs boxing is no where near the same has football vs golf. I understand where your coming from but these two fighting games can easily be compared.

                          FNR4 easily wins. FNR3 vs UFC Undisputed is a better matchup. FNR3 was the first boxing game on next gen with good gameplay and lots of great ideas but not living up to full potential while UFC Undiputed was the first MMA game with good gameplay and lots of great ideas but not living up to full potential. FNR4 is way to advanced for undisputed going deeper in every category. inside out game, length and reach vs short and powerful, corner game, real physics, sig boxer styles, smart AI, legacy mode, online world championship, counter punching, strategic boxing, authentic arenas and stadiums vs a fun UFC game with the the main game modes that people would only like more if they liked mma more than boxing.
                          I can't agree with most of what you wrote. Counter-punching is Better in the UFC, UFC has authentic arenas where FN4 doesn't (some of them). Real physics the UFC has too. Smart AI, check. There is definetely and inside game ----it sounds like you haven't even played the UFC game. In the ring, the UFC is a better representation of the sport, and it's harder hitting and captures the brutality much better.
                          Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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                          • thelasthurtknee
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 1459

                            #28
                            Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

                            Originally posted by Swanison
                            mma vs boxing is no where near the same has football vs golf. I understand where your coming from but these two fighting games can easily be compared.

                            FNR4 easily wins. FNR3 vs UFC Undisputed is a better matchup. FNR3 was the first boxing game on next gen with good gameplay and lots of great ideas but not living up to full potential while UFC Undiputed was the first MMA game with good gameplay and lots of great ideas but not living up to full potential. FNR4 is way to advanced for undisputed going deeper in every category. inside out game, length and reach vs short and powerful, corner game, real physics, sig boxer styles, smart AI, legacy mode, online world championship, counter punching, strategic boxing, authentic arenas and stadiums vs a fun UFC game with the the main game modes that people would only like more if they liked mma more than boxing.
                            you dont sound like you know at all what your talking about. everything you just said UFC has also. plus add in ground game and specific punches kicks and ground tactics based on real styles. i think FN is smoother and looks a little better but not by much. if you would of made those points i would think you might have played UFC before. way out there on this.

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                            • Swanison
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 11

                              #29
                              first of all ufc doesnt have everthing i said. no corner game, no legacy mode, no online world championship, no real physics engine, Ai in fnr4 adapts to how u play and there own style and ufc plays based on there styles but not how you play.

                              also i never said that ufc didnt have any of those things. i just said it goes deeper into it. EXAMPLES fn has more strategy involved than ufc, Im not saying ufc doesnt have any strategy to win a fight . the ai in ufc was not as good as fn, Im not saying ufc has terrible ai. height, reach doesnt show as much as it does in fn, Im not saying ufc doesnt show any recongnition to height and reach. counter punching is used more in fn than ufc, Im not saying ufc doesnt have counter punching. Fn has authentic arenas, IM not saying ufc doesnt. Fn has sig boxing styles, Im not saying ufc doesnt.

                              the comment was worded a bit wierd but why would you guys think im saying ufc doesnt have those things when i clearly said it goes deeper in every category and then i listed features of fnr4 that shows why fnr4 is to advanced for ufc undisputed.

                              Maybe it doesnt go deeper into every category but pretty close to it. wat i should of said is all most every category. categories ufc would win in is presentation but that could be a tie, sig boxer styles but not by much, arenas and stadiums but i call that a tie more than a win, and depth of gameplay which i pretty much already said when i said u will like ufc more than fnr4 if u like mma more than boxing. reason being mma has more to it then boxing.

                              how could allbthere say that ufc does a better representation of the sport when fnr4 captures ALMOST every aspect to the sport of boxing while ufc does an amazing job but they havent even made a sequel to fix there mistakes and had more gameplay options in the octagon like fn already has.

                              how could thelasthurtknee say i dont sound like i know wat im talking about when i say fnr4 is better in my opinion bec it goes deeper into the sport of boxing than ufc goes into mma and here are the list of features that make fnr4 more avanced then ufc. i list some cool things about fnr4 that put it over the top. ufc has some of them but i think fnr4 went deeper into them just like i said. and then i say the only reason you would like ufc game more is if you like mma more than boxing which is completely true. i think that sounds like i know wat im saying. Also how would thelasthurtknee say everything u just said ufc also has. obviously ufc does not have everything i said. maybe u should read them again and then tell me ufc has everthing i said. another thing i should add is when did i even say ufc doesnt have any of those. the purpose of the list was to show the superiorness that fn has over ufc, not to show features that fn has that ufc doesnt.

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                              • allBthere
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 5847

                                #30
                                Re: Fight Night Round 4 vs. UFC 2009 Undisputed: The Showdown

                                Originally posted by Swanison
                                how could allbthere say that ufc does a better representation of the sport when fnr4 captures ALMOST every aspect to the sport of boxing while ufc does an amazing job but they havent even made a sequel to fix there mistakes and had more gameplay options in the octagon like fn already has.

                                .
                                I say that because I don't think fn4 captures every aspect of the sport (or does it well). I've already commented on how I think the counter system is garbage. It's nothing like real boxing and has almost entirely ruined the game for me. FN has really wonky animations and they have an extremely odd speed to them. It's like you're stuck in mud. Other things you mentioned I think are pretty even - physics..in ufc you kick body, it deforms slightly during impact, and it has visible damage over time. The legacy modes at first I though FN was way better, but it's actually only slightly better...and i think it speaks volumes that I've started my 5th career in UFC and have yet finish my 1st FN one since I have no desire to put the disc back in.


                                The UFC really nailed the hard hitting action and made it nice and intense. I think there are less in-game mistakes than FN. They could add some dodging maybe automated when pressing block by really crafty defensive guys, but it's pretty good the way it is. They could also use more variety in animations - but they're already better imo than FN.

                                FN4 imo is HUGELY overrated by the media. The actual boxing to me is just so out of whack, ...and the decision to put the counter mechanic in the game has almost single handedly ruined it for me. The punches are slow and lethargic, and noone seems to hit very hard or at least seem like they are.
                                Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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