Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

[acts238shaun]

When I fight any kind of spammer I decide right then and there to play rope-a-dope and wear them down. I have lost two decisions online because of this simply because of punch totals. One fight we each had a knockdown but he lost a point for headbutting twice while stunned. Another went down twice while I didn't go down at all and he lost another point for butting. I outboxed him, pure and simple. Here are the stats:

Round by Round Score
WarSooie
Judge A 9,9,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10 | 93
Judge B 9,9,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10 | 93
Judge C 9,9,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10 | 93
AcesBlazing
Judge A 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,8,8,9 | 95
Judge B 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,8,8,9 | 95
Judge C 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,8,8,9 | 95


Length of the fight 29 minutes
Round at end of the fight 10
How did the game conclude? DEC


Statistics WarSooie AcesBlazing
Total Knockdowns 2 0
Punches Thrown 567 1024
Punches Landed 359 644
Jabs Thrown 126 202
Jabs Landed 66 122
Punches Thrown to the Head 418 562
Punches Landed to the Head 243 316
Punches Thrown to the Body 149 462
Punches Landed to the Body 116 328

The thing is this...he simply threw more punches the entire fight, that was it. First stamina doesn't work, then blocked punches count as hits, now this crap. Ugh. Anyone else run into this?

[parker002]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

When I fight any kind of spammer I decide right then and there to play rope-a-dope and wear them down. I have lost two decisions online because of this simply because of punch totals. One fight we each had a knockdown but he lost a point for headbutting twice while stunned. Another went down twice while I didn't go down at all and he lost another point for butting. I outboxed him, pure and simple. Here are the stats:

Round by Round Score
WarSooie
Judge A 9,9,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10 | 93
Judge B 9,9,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10 | 93
Judge C 9,9,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10 | 93
AcesBlazing
Judge A 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,8,8,9 | 95
Judge B 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,8,8,9 | 95
Judge C 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,8,8,9 | 95


Length of the fight 29 minutes
Round at end of the fight 10
How did the game conclude? DEC


Statistics WarSooie AcesBlazing
Total Knockdowns 2 0
Punches Thrown 567 1024
Punches Landed 359 644
Jabs Thrown 126 202
Jabs Landed 66 122
Punches Thrown to the Head 418 562
Punches Landed to the Head 243 316
Punches Thrown to the Body 149 462
Punches Landed to the Body 116 328

The thing is this...he simply threw more punches the entire fight, that was it. First stamina doesn't work, then blocked punches count as hits, now this crap. Ugh. Anyone else run into this?

He didn't get points simply for throwing more punches. He landed almost twice as many punches as you did.

[acts238shaun]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

He did land more, but many were blocked that weren't called that. It's almost like NCAA 09 - the only incompletions were interceptions. In FNR4 online it seems that it gets called a hit if it gets blocked. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I stay out of their reach most of the time.

[GatorFan1963]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

Yea man there's too much of a punch difference for you to claim you outboxed him. There's a 285 punch difference there (landed shots). Tactically I'm sure you outboxed him. But, over the course of a 10 round fight you just didn't win enough rounds regardless of how great tactically you felt you were.

But, I will agree with you about the body shots. It seems like this game counts alot of blocked body shots as landing.

[parker002]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

Yea man there's too much of a punch difference for you to claim you outboxed him. There's a 285 punch difference there (landed shots). Tactically I'm sure you outboxed him. But, over the course of a 10 round fight you just didn't win enough rounds regardless of how great tactically you felt you were.

But, I will agree with you about the body shots. It seems like this game counts alot of blocked body shots as landing.

Alot of body shots land, period. Blocking just isn't very well-implemented unfortunately.

[teambayern]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

I've only played 6 matches online, so maybe that's not enough, but I haven't seen the problems you're talking about. Sure, occassionally a shot gets through a block, but that's the kind of stuff that makes the physics system so beautiful to watch.

Against the body spammers, you just have to weather the storm then pick your moments. If he's throwing that many punches, then you need to either counter him with your own flurries, or keep him on the outside. I guess I don't see why there's an issue with the decisions at this point, because he did outfight you with all those landed blows.

[StonesRunIt]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

there are some issues with decisions online however this isnt an instance of one....you got out-punched by a larger margin...a proper pelting lol.

[acts238shaun]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

Well, I understand he lander double, but I knocked him down twice. This isn't the only one; this is the closest margin. Had this been the only one I wouldn't have thought anything of it, but I lost a fight where I landed 68% of my 650 punches and he landed 48% of his 1000 punches and I lost the decision. I schooled that particular guy and lost the fight 95-93, even though he was deducted a point for double headbutting. Another decision ten minutes ago, where the guy chased me all over the ring constantly tossing punches and I floored him twice. I lost the decision, even though I landed a higher percentage. I am just trying to weather the storm on these guys. It's like there is a rule where if it is in the neighborhood of the gut it is a hit. I know online is getting a fix, but it isn't worth boxing, keeping your stamina for the later rounds and wearing them down...as if FNR4 has no idea what rope-a-dope is. It's frustrating. I give. I need a new strategy, because trying to outpoint someone isn't working anymore. If I knock a guy down twice and he still wins, then I am doing something wrong.

[parker002]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

Well, I understand he lander double, but I knocked him down twice. This isn't the only one; this is the closest margin. Had this been the only one I wouldn't have thought anything of it, but I lost a fight where I landed 68% of my 650 punches and he landed 48% of his 1000 punches and I lost the decision. I schooled that particular guy and lost the fight 95-93, even though he was deducted a point for double headbutting. Another decision ten minutes ago, where the guy chased me all over the ring constantly tossing punches and I floored him twice. I lost the decision, even though I landed a higher percentage. I am just trying to weather the storm on these guys. It's like there is a rule where if it is in the neighborhood of the gut it is a hit. I know online is getting a fix, but it isn't worth boxing, keeping your stamina for the later rounds and wearing them down...as if FNR4 has no idea what rope-a-dope is. It's frustrating. I give. I need a new strategy, because trying to outpoint someone isn't working anymore. If I knock a guy down twice and he still wins, then I am doing something wrong.

48% of 1000 is 480. 68% of 650 is only 442. Plus, I'm guessing he was spamming hooks, which is technically a power punch. Again, it's unfortunate, but he SHOULD have won.

[thelasthurtknee]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

sounds like you waited to long to turn it on. also looks like stamina did affect him late in fight from throwing so much early. if you would of been fighting 12 rounds you might of got knockout. try not to get hit so much.

[acts238shaun]

Re: Decisions online...there seems to be an issue

I am trying to limit the hits, but a lot of it is the terrible blocking and how the speed is too amped up online. You can't hold down blocking on this game because the other guy throwing punches tires slower than you blocking. Nonsensical. If I do block two or three one is usually called a hit it seems, I dunno. I do have issues with how online is faster than any boxer in fight now on goat with CPU punch output and speed at ten, and that includes Ali, Jones Jr., Ray Robinson and CABs designed strictly for speed. I don't claim to be good at this, but a little equality, ya know? Right now everyone gets 5'11 240 lb fighters and throws hooks all fight from a hyper stance with a speed punching setting. It gets old. I am going to go Michael Grant/Lennox Lewis on these guys I guess, using a 6'8" max reach guy and jab and run all fight. That's all I know to do.