To train or auto-train, that is the question

[parker002]

For you guys that have played through one or more full legacies, what is your take on auto-training?

I've found that getting a good slider set to perform in the ring makes the training games boring and tedious at best and impossible at worst.

If you auto-train through a legacy, how many points is it really going to set you back, assuming you could get contender or champion if you did it yourself? By the end, are you going to be severly outmatched by the high-end AI boxers, or not?

[cjallure24]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

I haven't auto-trained since I first got the game. The sparring is very unpredictable, one minute your breezing through guys,and the next you have a guy who is defensive and really challenges you, that's one thing I do like. As far as the others, I do them all, may be a mind thing, but it keeps me sharp in certain areas, especially the punching bag.

[parker002]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

Still using the sticks? What sliders are you using?

I'm still struggling with the changes from the DLC. I want to play with zero speed since it seems to flow better in the ring, but it pretty much makes the double-end bag impossible.

Also, using the buttons makes the heavy bag hard if not impossible because you can't move forward while executing a body punch, which you can do with the sticks.

By the way, when do you actually reach a point of diminishing returns? I've noticed that after a while of training certain things, the max I can get is +4 anyway, so why wouldn't you just auto-train at that point?

[cjallure24]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

I'm using some sliders you posted post DLC with only the speed at (3)....and in my legacy I used the trick with the punching power after the amateur tourny.....So I don't have to worry about the punching bag or combo bag in the beginning of my career. But when I did do the moving punching bag training it is possible to move it......

[parker002]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

I'm using some sliders you posted post DLC with only the speed at (3)....and in my legacy I used the trick with the punching power after the amateur tourny.....So I don't have to worry about the punching bag or combo bag in the beginning of my career. But when I did do the moving punching bag training it is possible to move it......

Sure, you can move it. You just can't move it enough. I've tried Mike Tyson on Pro, with all sliders maxed, and cannot get above Contender with the buttons. With the stick, I can get Champion 100% of the time, throwing the exact same punches. The only difference is that throwing a hook to the body with the stick doesn't require you to crouch and the buttons do.

[cjallure24]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

I use the TPC, I dispise the buttons......

[parker002]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

I use the TPC, I dispise the buttons......

I have to switch back and forth. I'm ruining my sticks.

[cjallure24]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

I have yet to run into that problem....I heard a few guys say they messed up the controllers, but I have yet to run into this.hope I don't jinx myself.

[MrMars]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

The Sparring and Stay on Your feet are the only ones I do, the others are just too difficult for me to score well on and I end up only getting 1 point for the areas I want to train on and losing a point in other areas. at least with Auto-train I can progress.

Funny thing is in the legacy I am in now, I didn't use the Cheat at end of the amateur tourney, and auto -trained everything as I mentioned above. I am 30-1 in the middleweight division with an overall rating of 79, and the only reason for that is that I did not include any pre-created boxers in my legacy (thanks Parker).

Anyway, whats funny is that certain ratings my fighter has are comparable to the elite fighters in my legacy, but in others I am severely outmatched. For Example; my punch accuracy is currently at 85 which give or take a point or two right inline with the top 5 fighters in my legacy. it is similar with Cuts, Swelling, Stamina, and Chin. Those ratings I compare well with the CPU fighters, it's the others where I am out matched like Right & left Hand power 74 & 69 respectively, Foot speed and hand speed 72 & 74. Head movement & block strength 76 & 78, The one's where I play, the sparring ones, have given me a head and body toughness ratings of 76 & 75 (I don't get the champion score all the time mostly contender for these). It's making me wonder if I should even bother and auto train these too.

For the most part all my fights are tough now. I have been able to win with good boxing strategy and body work in the early rounds and the CPU's penchant for right hook to the body left hook to the head combos, occasionally I can sneak a right cross or uppercut after the left hook. Most of my knockouts come past the 7th round and 10 of my fights have gone to the cards.

It's kind of fun, but I spend the first half of every fight trying not to get my block knocked off until the body work slows down my opponent some. Makes me think I could never last if I was playing champion or GOAT level. But it works for me.

I think the training game difficulty should be matched to the game difficulty. At least that way you could get more people to play them and eventually learn what works for each. I suppose you could do that any way, but when all you get is one point every time it kinda makes you not even want to disadvantage your legacy fighter that way. Also, you know you are going to lose a lot of fights because you just don't match up well.

MrMars

[acts238shaun]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

A copy of an email I sent. I have gotten over 200,000 in Open Sparring recently, this works!

Training tips for training in legacy:

I hope training is redone in FNR5. Here are good settings for each drill. Do them on amateur difficulty as it seems to be easier on the drills

Open Sparring:
Power, speed, accuracy and stamina at ten.
Toughness, Counter window, CPU Off and Def AI and Punch Output at zero.
Go out and throw punches, you will knock them down more than they will you. Depending on circumstances you could easily score 100,000 or higher in this drill with the above settings.

Stay on your feet:
Everything zero except speed, toughness and stamina, which should be ten.
Just go out and box defensively. Jab once or twice and move. If you are fast enough 30,000+ is easily attainable. Be mindful of your stamina, don't worry about knocking down the CPU.

Heavy bag combos:
Speed at ten is the only necessity. I always auto train to be honest, especially if I use the legacy cheat to get 100 stamina, heart and right and left hand power. I rarely get over 5,000 here. TPC is just too finicky and I miss at least one punch because of it. Buttons don't help, not allowed for this drill.

Heavy Bag Push:
Speed and power at ten only necessity.
Use uppercuts on low part of bag, crosses on upper part of bag to move bag more quickly. When you get to the end you can switch to jabs up top and hooks at bottom to increase score. I have had 11,000+ doing this. Don't get too far ahead on punches, as the CPU queues your punches. One ahead is as much as you want to go.

Double end bag:
Speed at ten is only slider change necessary.
Body uppercuts only. You can get three or four in before the zone changes. I have gotten 40,000+, but 30,000 is very attainable. Make sure you don't move into the bag when circling.

Maize bag:
Speed at ten helps a little.
There are three main things you can do here.
1. Move three times per bag swing, unless it requires two of course. When you get adept at going back and forth you can get four at a time.
2. Throw straights only, and only on the side closest to the bag. If you are leaning left throw the right straight. If leaning right, throw the left straight.
3. Don't miss if you can help it. The more you chain together the higher the score.

Let me know how this helps!

[parker002]

Re: To train or auto-train, that is the question

The maize bag is all about timing. I can get Champion on it every time, even with speed at 0.

Sparring and stay on your feet are pretty easy if you box the way you would in a real fight.

The heavy bag exercises are a double-edged sword. The buttons make heavy bag combos SO much easier, but they make the heavy bag push nigh impossible.

The double end bag is really effected by the speed slider - the higher the slider, the easier it is.

I don't really notice a big difference in difficulty when going between Pro and Champion. I haven't ever tried Amateur.

[TheCreep]

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For as long as they've had training games in FightNight, I've always trained one, auto trained the next, trained one, autotrain the next, etc, rinse and repeat.

I did that because in previous versions I would get too good at it and be able to max attributes out and I didn't like that. So to keep my boxer at an even keel with the CPU boxers I always alternate between playing a training game auto training the next.

It ensured that I didn't get my attributes too high. I was doing this with FN4 for a sec but I haven't been monitoring it very closely, because suprisingly I got hooked on playing online and I really haven't played my legacy in about 2 months I think.

Wow, I never considered myself a big online player.