Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

[bigeastbumrush]

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LOL@ the pictures of Cotto to support some superhuman power. Facts are:

1- Cotto cuts & swells in every fight...early & often.
2- Cotto had a new corner in the Pac fight and the cutman was way beyond inexperienced.
3- Who knows what kind of permanent damage Margarito's plaster did to Cotto's blood vessels.

And I saw you (Kanobi) post that PBF doesn't have the power of Cotto.

Well, that's stating the obvious.

And since he doesn't have that kind of power, then what messed up Hatton, Marquez and Shane so much if it wasn't the power?

Maybe it was the pinpoint accuracy along with above average power!

When PBF throw's one punch...it's so on the money that it completely takes a fighter off his game.

Why do you think Shane was bouncing around so much...hesitant to throw a punch when he's a boxer who loves to mix it up?

Simple...he didn't wanna eat the counter.

A wild man like Pac is lunch meat for PBF. Guys like Hatton and Gatti who want to brawl and swing when things aren't going their way get ate up by PBF.

Until I see different, that's the exact way it's been.

Prove otherwise.

[Vast]

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You make great points BigEast.

But if the fight doesn't get made soon or in early 2011. I'm going to have to assume that PBF himself does not agree with you.

This should be the easiest 50 million dollars any athlete has ever made.
Use your size and reach advantage. Use your superior boxing pedigree. Your ability to adjust to tactics mid-fight. Your superior defense.

If the fight doesn't get made soon i'm just going to assume Floyd is scared man. He should have the upper hand, he should be the one doing anything and everything to get Pac in the ring.

[Str8_A]

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You know I hear this all the time.. "Pacquiao lacks defense"

Honestly, just because Pacquiao keeps his hands low most of the time, don't necessarily mean he lacks defense. His defense relies heavily on his coordinated footwork and head movement. It's like the Roadrunner against the Coyote out there.. he's at one spot, and then the next in a split sec. Basically, he gets the h*** outta the way before a punch can even touch him.

Also, yes he throws wild (accurately), but not as wild as he once was before the 2nd Morales fight. He's more cautious after he throws.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

You know I hear this all the time.. "Pacquiao lacks defense"

Honestly, just because Pacquiao keeps his hands low most of the time, don't necessarily mean he lacks defense. His defense relies heavily on his coordinated footwork and head movement. It's like the Roadrunner against the Coyote out there.. he's at one spot, and then the next in a split sec. Basically, he gets the h*** outta the way before a punch can even touch him.

Also, yes he throws wild (accurately), but not as wild as he once was before the 2nd Morales fight. He's more cautious after he throws.

Pac is accurate now? News to me.

[Kanobi]

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LOL@ the pictures of Cotto to support some superhuman power. Facts are:

1- Cotto cuts & swells in every fight...early & often.
2- Cotto had a new corner in the Pac fight and the cutman was way beyond inexperienced.
3- Who knows what kind of permanent damage Margarito's plaster did to Cotto's blood vessels.

And I saw you (Kanobi) post that PBF doesn't have the power of Cotto.

Well, that's stating the obvious.

And since he doesn't have that kind of power, then what messed up Hatton, Marquez and Shane so much if it wasn't the power?

Maybe it was the pinpoint accuracy along with above average power!

When PBF throw's one punch...it's so on the money that it completely takes a fighter off his game.

Why do you think Shane was bouncing around so much...hesitant to throw a punch when he's a boxer who loves to mix it up?

Simple...he didn't wanna eat the counter.

A wild man like Pac is lunch meat for PBF. Guys like Hatton and Gatti who want to brawl and swing when things aren't going their way get ate up by PBF.

Until I see different, that's the exact way it's been.

Prove otherwise.

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After Pacquiao’s victory over Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14 in Las Vegas, Mayweather Sr. suggested to Yahoo! Sports reporter Martin Rogers that Pacquiao’s improvements were not natural.

“You know there is something going on with him,” Mayweather Sr. told Rogers. “If I was Floyd I wouldn’t fight him because of that. It just don’t add up. Take a look at them old pictures, man. That’s a different dude. And he got knocked out when he was 30 pounds lighter, but now he can stand there and take Cotto’s best shots? Come on.”

Link - http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...yweather122509

So, if the fact that Pac walked through Cotto's best shots both impressed and was cause for concern by PBF's own camp - who know PBF's strengths and weaknesses better than ANYbody posting in this thread - how in the hell can any of you PBF fans/supporters argue that the Pac/Cotto fight carries no weight? Seriously, PBF's camp watched/studied the fight...saw what Pac did against and to Cotto. Even THEY were impressed....impressed enough to accuse Pac of using PED's and that he submit to their blood testing conditions before they allowed Floyd to step one foot in the ring with Pac.

Therefore, I repeat:

....I don't see how Floyd wins this fight ...primarily because of what mentioned earlier as far as Pac's ability to throw accurate, devastating punches/combinations from just about every angle imaginable. But I have a couple of additional reasons:

- Floyd doesn't have enough power to make Pacquiao be hesitant. Not even Cotto could make Pac respect his power. That's going to be a problem because as long as that's the case, Pacquiao will clearly be the more active and more aggressive fighter throughout the entire fight however long it lasts.

- Along a similar vein, Floyd's counterpunching won't hurt Pacquiao due to a lack of power. Cotto caught Pacquiao with plenty of powerful, solid counters that Pacquiao didn't see but they did absolutely nothing to hurt Pacquiao or even slow him down.

Really, to win this fight IMO Floyd has to abandon his defense/counter-punch style and be more aggressive...go after Pacquiao and try to impose HIS offense on Pac instead of vice versa. But of course that's not going to happen because that'll get him KO'd.

So again, I don't see how Floyd wins. Pac has a great chin, awesome stamina, KO power in both hands, good footwork, underrated handspeed and just overall killer instinct. Meanwhile Floyd has great speed, defense and ring savy...but that suspect chin and lack of power is why I see Pacquiao winning. It's also why this fight didn't happen a long time ago.

[King_B_Mack]

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Link - http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...yweather122509

So, if the fact that Pac walked through Cotto's best shots both impressed and was cause for concern by PBF's own camp - who know PBF's strengths and weaknesses better than ANYbody posting in this thread - how in the hell can any of you PBF fans/supporters argue that the Pac/Cotto fight carries no weight? Seriously, PBF's camp watched/studied the fight...saw what Pac did against and to Cotto. Even THEY were impressed....impressed enough to accuse Pac of using PED's and that he submit to their blood testing conditions before they allowed Floyd to step one foot in the ring with Pac.

Therefore, I repeat:

....I don't see how Floyd wins this fight ...primarily because of what mentioned earlier as far as Pac's ability to throw accurate, devastating punches/combinations from just about every angle imaginable. But I have a couple of additional reasons:

- Floyd doesn't have enough power to make Pacquiao be hesitant. Not even Cotto could make Pac respect his power. That's going to be a problem because as long as that's the case, Pacquiao will clearly be the more active and more aggressive fighter throughout the entire fight however long it lasts.

- Along a similar vein, Floyd's counterpunching won't hurt Pacquiao due to a lack of power. Cotto caught Pacquiao with plenty of powerful, solid counters that Pacquiao didn't see but they did absolutely nothing to hurt Pacquiao or even slow him down.

Really, to win this fight IMO Floyd has to abandon his defense/counter-punch style and be more aggressive...go after Pacquiao and try to impose HIS offense on Pac instead of vice versa. But of course that's not going to happen because that'll get him KO'd.

So again, I don't see how Floyd wins. Pac has a great chin, awesome stamina, KO power in both hands, good footwork, underrated handspeed and just overall killer instinct. Meanwhile Floyd has great speed, defense and ring savy...but that suspect chin and lack of power is why I see Pacquiao winning. It's also why this fight didn't happen a long time ago.

Cherry picking and jumping to conclusions is awesome. So you'll cherry pick a quote from PBF's camp to make your conclusion of Floyd losing when we all know damn well that they'll come out and say exactly what they'd do to beat Pac and then 'it coming from Floyd's own camp' wouldn't mean a damn thing to you real quick. But hey, he said something that you could use to make your point, consistency and reality be damned.

At this point I honestly don't know for certain who would win the fight, so I'm not going to say say definitively who would, but I would have to give the edge to Floyd cause a good defense will beat a good offense every single time.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Link - http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...yweather122509

So, if the fact that Pac walked through Cotto's best shots both impressed and was cause for concern by PBF's own camp - who know PBF's strengths and weaknesses better than ANYbody posting in this thread - how in the hell can any of you PBF fans/supporters argue that the Pac/Cotto fight carries no weight? Seriously, PBF's camp watched/studied the fight...saw what Pac did against and to Cotto. Even THEY were impressed....impressed enough to accuse Pac of using PED's and that he submit to their blood testing conditions before they allowed Floyd to step one foot in the ring with Pac.

Therefore, I repeat:

....I don't see how Floyd wins this fight ...primarily because of what mentioned earlier as far as Pac's ability to throw accurate, devastating punches/combinations from just about every angle imaginable. But I have a couple of additional reasons:

- Floyd doesn't have enough power to make Pacquiao be hesitant. Not even Cotto could make Pac respect his power. That's going to be a problem because as long as that's the case, Pacquiao will clearly be the more active and more aggressive fighter throughout the entire fight however long it lasts.

- Along a similar vein, Floyd's counterpunching won't hurt Pacquiao due to a lack of power. Cotto caught Pacquiao with plenty of powerful, solid counters that Pacquiao didn't see but they did absolutely nothing to hurt Pacquiao or even slow him down.

Really, to win this fight IMO Floyd has to abandon his defense/counter-punch style and be more aggressive...go after Pacquiao and try to impose HIS offense on Pac instead of vice versa. But of course that's not going to happen because that'll get him KO'd.

So again, I don't see how Floyd wins. Pac has a great chin, awesome stamina, KO power in both hands, good footwork, underrated handspeed and just overall killer instinct. Meanwhile Floyd has great speed, defense and ring savy...but that suspect chin and lack of power is why I see Pacquiao winning. It's also why this fight didn't happen a long time ago.

If PBF has already fought boxers with styles "similar" to Pac...why would he need to abandon his boxing style when it clearly works against Pacquiao-type fighters?

And let's be clear...Cotto didn't hit Pac with any KO blows. He hit him hard but not like a one-hitter quitter and Pac just stood there.

PBF never really killed anyone with power. But he overpowers boxers with crazy accuracy and relentlessness once he gets them frustrated.

His camp wasn't scared. They were curious how Pac could stand there and take blows from a strong fighter. Knowing PBF is not quite as strong doesn't have anything to do with it because I'm sure his camp knows PBF isn't going to KO Pac over the top rope or anything.

I agree...that quote was pretty out of context. Had nothing to do with PBF's fight strategy.

[Kanobi]

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And let's be clear...Cotto didn't hit Pac with any KO blows. He hit him hard but not like a one-hitter quitter and Pac just stood there.

I Love it!!!

[grunt]

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I was watching the Jab fight and PBF goes to the body really well. PBF doesn't have knock out power but he has hesitant power meaning he makes fighters think twice before throwing punches. I watched he slow the pace of the fight down by making quality fighters think before they throw.

Some say Pac doesn't have poor defense. Pac has always had poor defense. His offense is so good that he overcome his defensive issues but no one counter punch as well as PBF. PBF doesn't throw just to throw but put himself in position to hit and not be hit. So subtle but so effective.

[HotSauce2k3]

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I'd assume PBF is just waiting for Pac to lose a step and get a little sloppy. He's getting up there in age, and I do think he wasn't even close to 100% in the Marg fight. Not sure whether that was due to lack of focus, age, or just not used to the ridiculous size disadvantage, but he looked sloppy.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I Love it!!!

What exactly is so funny?

Did I miss something in the Cotto fight where he just launched back and clobbered Pac?

[Money99]

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I was watching the Jab fight and PBF goes to the body really well. PBF doesn't have knock out power but he has hesitant power meaning he makes fighters think twice before throwing punches. I watched he slow the pace of the fight down by making quality fighters think before they throw.

Some say Pac doesn't have poor defense. Pac has always had poor defense. His offense is so good that he overcome his defensive issues but no one counter punch as well as PBF. PBF doesn't throw just to throw but put himself in position to hit and not be hit. So subtle but so effective.

Very, very true.
That's why I think if these two do get it on, we'll know the outcome after a round or two.
If Floyd's speed trumps Pac's and he's able to make him hesitate, then it's over for Manny.
But if Pac is able to walk through those counter-punches, or even outspeed Floyd, then I think we'll see the end to Floyd's undefeated reign.
But we should know the outcome fairly early.

Still, I don't see this fight happening. Not until something drastic happens, (A) Pac shows a lot of rust prompting Floyd to feel safer or (B) Floyd gets into more financial problems forcing him to take the biggest payday of his life.

Floyd Sr spoke with Eastsideboxing recently and he was going off on a tangent again on how no human the size of Pacquio could take the kind of punches Margarito was giving and not even flinching without steroids.
From the interview I really got the sense the entire Mayweather camp is scared to death of Pacquio. They see him as a monster capable of inhuman things in the ring. And to help little Floyd sleep at night, they keep believing he's on PED's.

Pac has agreed to drug testing 7-days before the fight. I can understand Floyd's concerns that he wants the testing to go right up until fight night. But how can he agree to 14-days before and now back out of that?

Maybe Pac has to wear a dress in order for Floyd to want to fight him. Dude is crazy good when slapping woman around.

[grunt]

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Very, very true.
That's why I think if these two do get it on, we'll know the outcome after a round or two.
If Floyd's speed trumps Pac's and he's able to make him hesitate, then it's over for Manny.
But if Pac is able to walk through those counter-punches, or even outspeed Floyd, then I think we'll see the end to Floyd's undefeated reign.
But we should know the outcome fairly early.

Still, I don't see this fight happening. Not until something drastic happens, (A) Pac shows a lot of rust prompting Floyd to feel safer or (B) Floyd gets into more financial problems forcing him to take the biggest payday of his life.

Floyd Sr spoke with Eastsideboxing recently and he was going off on a tangent again on how no human the size of Pacquio could take the kind of punches Margarito was giving and not even flinching without steroids.
From the interview I really got the sense the entire Mayweather camp is scared to death of Pacquio. They see him as a monster capable of inhuman things in the ring. And to help little Floyd sleep at night, they keep believing he's on PED's.

Pac has agreed to drug testing 7-days before the fight. I can understand Floyd's concerns that he wants the testing to go right up until fight night. But how can he agree to 14-days before and now back out of that?

Maybe Pac has to wear a dress in order for Floyd to want to fight him. Dude is crazy good when slapping woman around.

Good post. The making of this fight will be more like a barbecue than going to McDonalds. I mean a real barbecue this fight will beon the fire for at least 12-18 months but then we will see the promotion of the decade. A super fight. We haven't had a superfight in years.

[Complex]

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Everytime we expect Floyd to lose, he not only wins he wins in extremely convincing fashion.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Which fights did we expect him to lose?