Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

[Bronk_Bonin]

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If you had asked me in the fall of 2008 if I thought Margarito could beat Pacquiao, I would have said that I not only think he COULD, but I think he WOULD. In the wake of Cotto beat-down, I thought I was seeing a fighter that had a granite chin and a relentless, always-forward-moving style with face-rearranging power from both hands. In short, I didn't think he'd ever lose at Welterweight (or any weight class +/- 10 lbs) ever again.

Of course, then we found out it was all lies. Like everything in sports these days, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is. I agree that Margo should never be able to fight again after what he was caught doing, and his complete dismantling by Sugar Shane was ring justice at its best.

Fast-forward two years, and I just see no way Margo can win this fight. I think if he was really the fighter I thought I saw in August of 2008, he would pummel Manny into the canvas. But I don't believe that anymore; and I am also done doubting Pac-man. If August 2008 Margarito shows up (sans loaded hand wraps), I do think he can take down Pacquiao with his crushing body shots and unyielding constant pressure. If the Margo that got drawn-and-quartered by Mosely shows up, he will be one Mr. Potatohead-lookin' dude face down on the canvas Saturday night....

I would say Pac gets him in the 9th or so. But I sort of want to see what happens if Margo brings it '08 style...

My exact thoughts to a 'T". Almost scary how much I agree with this.

[Money99]

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Great thoughts pietasterp.

Margo has a shot at winning this fight. If he's able to use his size advantage, stamina and chin to their utmost capacity, he has a chance.

But I don't think it's going to happen. Pacquio is Arum's top horse. Even though he owns Margarito as well, he's not going to risk his prized possession. Especially with a potential mega-fight with Floyd on the edge.
Arum, Roach, Pacquio, heck, probably even Margarito know that Pacman will win easily.

I don't think Pac's going to stop him, but I see an easy 12-round decision.

[Bronk_Bonin]

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Great thoughts pietasterp.

Margo has a shot at winning this fight. If he's able to use his size advantage, stamina and chin to their utmost capacity, he has a chance.

But I don't think it's going to happen. Pacquio is Arum's top horse. Even though he owns Margarito as well, he's not going to risk his prized possession. Especially with a potential mega-fight with Floyd on the edge.
Arum, Roach, Pacquio, heck, probably even Margarito know that Pacman will win easily.

I don't think Pac's going to stop him, but I see an easy 12-round decision.

I do think this is Pac Man's biggest challenge to date while moving up the ladder. If Margarito catches Manny with a clean uppercut like Clottey did on occasion or gets him on the ropes Manny could go down. Manny is giving up a significant amount of height and range to Margarito. Eventually the buck is going to have to stop somewhere and Manny will just be giving up too much to these bigger fighters.

I'm not buying into the whole Roach mind game of saying it's Manny's worst training camp to date. I believe that is just a way to sell this fight. They want people to believe that the P4P king may just lose---so tune in. I think Margarito's defensive deficiencies will be the deciding factor. Manny will throw combos from all angles and be out of the pocket when Margarito returns fire. Margarito is just too slow but like I mentioned earier, it only takes one big punch and Manny could find himself on the canvas. Manny is too good of an athlete and wins by a decision. Manny's punching power probably won't bother the solid chin of Margarito but I think his speed will be what stops Margarito for moving forward all night. He'll be coving up which means he'l be more concerned with stopping Manny's offense. Manny's speed and volume will prove to be too much.

Dan Rafael from ESPN tweeted that if Manny wins and Floyd refuses to fight Manny then Manny could fight one of the following: Cotto (rematch), Mosley, or Marquez. A Cotto rematch does nothing for the sport. Why? Manny won in overwhelming fashion last fight. Mosley? Really? No thanks. I think Sugar Shane is close to being shot and Manny would mow him down. Marquez on the other hand I would pay to see. Styles make fights right? Well Marquez and his counter punching style gives Manny fits. With that said, I don't think Arum wants that fight. I think he knows Marquez is very much a live dog in that match up. As for Margarito, I would love to see him and Cotto square off in a redemption fight for Cotto. I think a majority of fight fans would love to see Cotto rip through Margarito and see how heavy handed Margarito would be with clean wraps and no questions. That fight needs to be made.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I don't care if they were doing it to hype the fight, but Margarita is going to get his *** beat for making fun of Roache's Parkinson's.

Whether or not the fight is going to be a fix like the Clottey one was, I just hope Pac wins decisively and beats his ***.

[Bronk_Bonin]

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I don't care if they were doing it to hype the fight, but Margarita is going to get his *** beat for making fun of Roache's Parkinson's.

Whether or not the fight is going to be a fix like the Clottey one was, I just hope Pac wins decisively and beats his ***.

One the first part, Margarito and Brandon Rios are *******s for their remarks and mocking Roach. That was totally classless and showed their true colors. Both are nothing more than classless thugs IMO. I was really impressed with Rios as a young fighter. His win vs. Anthony Peterson was fantastic. He broke him down. He took away his win to fight. He has good power, unorthodox fighting style, throws from different angles....he really showed me something. After is mockery of Roach I will never root for him again.

Now your second statement is absurd. Claiming the Clottey fight to be fixed? Really? You're a boxing fan and you think it was fixed? Did you watch the fight? Clottey fought like he always does. No different than he always fights. He never lets his hands go and turtles up in a defensive posture most of his fights. It was a carbon copy of everyone of his fights except he may have thrown less because Manny was throwing so many punches. Fix my ***!!! Clottey isn't even close to being in the same league as Manny, there is no need to fix anything.

[ex carrabba fan]

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That wasn't a fight, it was a Manny vs. a punching bag.

So however you want to slice that, it's fine with me. It wasn't a fight.

Clottey doesn't "always fight like that". That is an absurd statement, I won't even respond to that.

Rios just sounds like an ignorant hooligan. From the 24/7's he was the only "real" person in the show, while Manny and everyone else was just putting on a persona. Rios showed me he was a real idiot moron who came from the streets and has no class and wasn't raised right by his mother.

[pietasterp]

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While I don't think any of the fights were "fixed" per se, I do have my doubts about how on-the-level all these Top Rank-only matchups are...I mean, Arum is not exactly Mr. Classy, and boxing in general is pretty dirty. I'm not saying the fights are flat-out fixed, but when it's just a bunch of guys from the same stable fighting each other all the time....I dunno.

Anyhoo, I agree with Bronk that a Pac-Marquez fight could be dynamite. Not sure Pacquiao/Roach want anything to do with that one right now, though. It'll probably be something lame like Cotto-Pacquiao 2 or something no one cares to see...

[Vast]

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While I don't think any of the fights were "fixed" per se, I do have my doubts about how on-the-level all these Top Rank-only matchups are...I mean, Arum is not exactly Mr. Classy, and boxing in general is pretty dirty. I'm not saying the fights are flat-out fixed, but when it's just a bunch of guys from the same stable fighting each other all the time....I dunno.

Anyhoo, I agree with Bronk that a Pac-Marquez fight could be dynamite. Not sure Pacquiao/Roach want anything to do with that one right now, though. It'll probably be something lame like Cotto-Pacquiao 2 or something no one cares to see...

If Pac-Marquez would be dynamite, then Pac would get destroyed by Floyd. I thought we were under the assumption that Pac has gotten dramatically better and Marquez has gotten worse.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Seriously. How would that be dynamite?

I would say Cotto vs. Pac at 150 or above would be more intriguing, though I don't care to see either Pac v Marquez or Pac v Cotto.

Boxing is in a tough position right now. Whether or not the Pac v Pretty Boy thing happens the sport will still be struggling to put anything out worth while to the casual fan.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Man, I hate boxing.

This fight has no value...even if Pac loses.

Yep...even if he loses.

It won't be a Buster Douglas upsets Tyson global shock if Pacman loses because NO ONE wants this fight.

It's boiled down to a paycheck for both Pacman and Margarito.

Say what you want to about Floyd, but he knows how to hype a fight.

This is the same as PBF vs. Mosley. Except PBF knew how to turn it up to get people to buy-in to the fact that it would be bigger/riskier than it seemed.

If Margarito drops him...I really don't care. There's no ramifications in the sport for it. So the title changes hands and we'll get some clown to whoop Margarito while Pacman pursues politics, acting, singing and everything else under the sun except Boxing.

Ugh!!

Wake me up when American athletes stop going into Football as young teens and turn back to Boxing and the Arums, Kings, DLHs exit from this 'profession'.

I feel like Common....I Used To Love Her

[ex carrabba fan]

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WTF does PBF have to do with this?

Wow

Just for a paycheck?

Isn't that what every fight is for? Boxing is just in a bad way right now. No denying that. Even if a PBF/Pac fight happens.. then what next?

But you bringing up PBF is random. He's the king of just collecting paychecks, and I'd rather watch Pac 10/10 times if I had the choice between him and PBF.

[sva91]

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If Pac-Marquez would be dynamite, then Pac would get destroyed by Floyd. I thought we were under the assumption that Pac has gotten dramatically better and Marquez has gotten worse.

Yes, PAC would destroy Marquez. Pac has gotten significantly stronger and has kept his hand speed while at the same time acquiring more boxing technique. I think PBF and Margarito are the only big names that can take down Pac. I can't see Margarito pulling it off, unless he gets in some big time body shots early on in the fight. And as much as it pains me to say this, I still feel that Floyd would beat Pac.

[bigeastbumrush]

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WTF does PBF have to do with this?

Wow

Just for a paycheck?

Isn't that what every fight is for? Boxing is just in a bad way right now. No denying that. Even if a PBF/Pac fight happens.. then what next?

But you bringing up PBF is random. He's the king of just collecting paychecks, and I'd rather watch Pac 10/10 times if I had the choice between him and PBF.

Did you enjoy the Pac/Clottey fight? How about Pac/Cotto?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Did you enjoy the Pac/Clottey fight? How about Pac/Cotto?

The Cotto/Pac fight was actually not that bad.

Clottey just decided to mail it in, and Pac was swinging away as he usually does. So I'm not sure what else Pac could have done in that situation.

As far as PBF, I am not saying I don't enjoy his fights, but comparing his fights with Pac's.. to me there is no comparison.

[bigeastbumrush]

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The Cotto/Pac fight was actually not that bad.

Clottey just decided to mail it in, and Pac was swinging away as he usually does. So I'm not sure what else Pac could have done in that situation.

As far as PBF, I am not saying I don't enjoy his fights, but comparing his fights with Pac's.. to me there is no comparison.

My comparison to PBF was to show that in this day and age of PPV and the negative light on Boxing (much-deserved), if a fight cannot sell itself (ie., Pac/Margarito), neither fighter has done anything, outside of the gutless Parkinson's knock, to sell this fight.

Really, what do these 'promotors' get paid to do?

I really hope Pac/Margarito does horrendous numbers as far as PPV buys go.