Anyone else watching HBO 24/7 Pac v Margarito...

[iLLmatic]

get the impression that they are trying to set up the excuses that if Manny gets rocked, it will be all his political obligations and guest appearances that will be the excuse? They have been showing a lot of Roach and other members in his team talking about how he is not able to focus with all the traveling and obligations and after seeing all the past 24/7's, its a little excessive to be focusing on it as much as they have especially to the general public that watch HBO. Just my opinion.

[SHAKYR]

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get the impression that they are trying to set up the excuses that if Manny gets rocked, it will be all his political obligations and guest appearances that will be the excuse? They have been showing a lot of Roach and other members in his team talking about how he is not able to focus with all the traveling and obligations and after seeing all the past 24/7's, its a little excessive to be focusing on it as much as they have especially to the general public that watch HBO. Just my opinion.

I totally agree. I have been saying this from the beginning.

[Money99]

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Agreed iLL. I noticed that too.

But if I can play devils advocate, it could be HBO simply trying to create some drama.
That goes with Roach and the rest too. They've all been talking about how this has been the worst training camp Pac's had with Roach. And that Pac hasn't been as focused.

Chances are, they're all fully aware that Pac is going to destroy Margarito but they need to build up some kind of drama to keep viewers interested.

If Roach is telling the truth that Pac hasn't been the same and his attention isn't there, then maybe we're going to see a big upset on the 13th.

But I think Pac's more than ready. He knows boxing helps fund his life as a congressman and also keeps his popularity high so he can keep his seat.
A loss would be devastating for both.

I don't know if Pac has the power to take Tony out, but my money says he's going to smack him all over that ring.

[MikeRo72]

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HBO is trying to build drama to increase buys. Margarito has no shot. He isnt a one punch KO artist hence he doesnt have a puncher's chance. Manny is just about the only boxer that can match his work rate for 12 rounds so unless Manny busts his knee (ala Yuri Foreman) or breaks a hand he is going to either KO Margs or dominate him. Manny is way faster than today's version of Sugar Shane and we see how that panned out.

FYI: I dislike both Manny and Margs, so I don't have a dog in the fight.

[Money99]

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HBO is trying to build drama to increase buys. Margarito has no shot. He isnt a one punch KO artist hence he doesnt have a puncher's chance. Manny is just about the only boxer that cam match his work rate for 12 rounds so unless Manny busts his knee (ala Yuri Foreman) or breaks a hand he is going to either KO Margs or dominate him. Manny is way faster that Sugar Shane and we see how that panned out.

FYI: I dislike both Manny and Margs, so I don't have a dog in the fight.

It's funny that you mention how Margo isn't a one-punch KO artist.
Recently, Freddie Roach spoke how he knows Margarito has been cheating for a while and even in sparring sessions:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=32395

Roach speculates that Margarito first experimented with the plaster-like inserts while sparring in the gym. During a recent BoxingScene.com interview, Roach said that he believes that Margarito may have loaded his gloves for both of his big wins in 2008, against Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron.

"I have people who sparred with Margarito in the past. Some tell me that he can't punch at all...that he hits like a girl. Some tell me 'he's the best f**king puncher that I ever faced.' He broke Rashad Holloway's eye socket. I think that he knew it and he practiced it and wanted to get a feel for it in the gym," Roach said.

"I wasn't there so I can't prove it. I just have to give my opinion. I think he knew it. He lost a couple of fights and after the fight with Paul Williams - things changed. His whole attitude and style was completely more confident. And at one point in Spanish, his trainer [Javier Capetillo] says 'how's the punch?' [in the Cintron rematch]. What does that mean? He didn't ask him - 'can that guy hit hard?' He said 'how's the punch' and [Margarito] says 'good.'

I agree with you Mike in that Margarito simply doesn't have the power to stop Pacquio.
Cotto hits a lot harder than he does and Manny took all of it and never wavered.
The only thing Antonio has going for him is a rock solid chin.
But like you mentioned, Mosley stopped him (Margarito's only KO loss) and Pac's got more pop and more speed than Sugar. He's also a southpaw.

I don't think Pac will end it early, but it's going to be a long hard night for The Tornado. Possibly career ending.

[Money99]

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On a side note, with Kelly Pavlik pulling out of his undercard bout against Brian Vera, Andy Lee has stated he'd love to step in.

For those that don't remember, Andy Lee was an undefeated hot young commodity when he faced Vera back in March of '08.
Lee was controlling the fight until he got caught, and cut by the former Contender star.
The cut seemed to affect Lee greatly and eventually Vera wore him down and earned a 7th round TKO.

Lee's rebounded nicely since the defeat winning 9 fights in a row.
I'd love to see a rematch between the two.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=25651&more=1

[MikeRo72]

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Its a solid fight but I was really looking forward to seeing if Pavlik could bounce back from that Martinez beat down he suffered. I've been reading he has a serious alcohol problem and thats the real reason he was pulled from the card

[Money99]

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Its a solid fight but I was really looking forward to seeing if Pavlik could bounce back from that Martinez beat down he suffered. I've been reading he has a serious alcohol problem and thats the real reason he was pulled from the card

I read that too.
I hate saying it, but I think The Ghost is done. I really like Pavlik, but both he and Taylor haven't looked the same since their first fight.

He's also fighting to make 160, but I think he knows he'd get destroyed at 168 and even 175.
What's scary for Pavlik is that there is a wealth of talent between 175 and 160. He can't hide.

If he does have a drinking problem, I hope he can sort it out. I doubt he needs the money to continue boxing so maybe he should look at calling it a career.
But if he still has the fire, I wish him well in his recovery. He can still bang and is a very tough dude. I'd love to see him against any number of guys between 160 and 168.

[MikeRo72]

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I agree man, he cant go up to Super Middleweight....everyone from Bika and Green all the way to Bute and Ward would put his head on a platter. I think his only real shot at a name win from middleweight on up is against monsterously over-hyped Chavez Jr.

Even the green Lamieux KO's Kelly Pavlik right now. He is probably going to end up fighting the winner of Williams-Martinez but he'll lose again.

[Money99]

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I agree man, he cant go up to Super Middleweight....everyone from Bika and Green all the way to Bute and Ward would put his head on a platter. I think his only real shot at a name win from middleweight on up is against monsterously over-hyped Chavez Jr.

Even the green Lamieux KO's Kelly Pavlik right now. He is probably going to end up fighting the winner of Williams-Martinez but he'll lose again.

And I'm sure both Williams and Matrinez would love to make that fight too, as it would be an easy payday.
For Pavlik's sake, I hope he does get that fight. He can still get through a bout without getting too hurt. Get one last payday and take a walk into the sunset.

Speaking of Lemieux, I'd love to see him fight Pirog. Lots of fireworks in that one!

[MikeRo72]

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Pirog made Jacobs look like an amateur. I think Pirog is the real deal.....but then again Lemieux looks like the goods too. Excellent fight.

[80tiesBaBy]

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people,people,people,cant yall see that this fight is rigged jus like the clotty fight.this all leads up to pac vs mayweather thats the fight thats gonna happen that people really wanna see. i dont care wht yall say about who ducking who they gone fight cuz they have 2 its way 2 much money involved perioid.there carefully picking out all of pacs fights so that he wont lose until he and mayweather can fight. thats y pac wont fight guys like zab,mosely,ect.wish i cold give u guys all the facts but i dont like typing like that so holla at ya boy till the real fight happens............

[pietasterp]

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So back to the topic....most boring 24/7 ever? I vote "yes"...

Neither of these guys is that compelling personality-wise, and since neither of them speaks English (primarily), it makes for a very banal television show....snore.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I vote yes too, been a real snorefest.

Let's be real here, the sport is lacking star power and personality.

[Bronk_Bonin]

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Agreed iLL. I noticed that too.

But if I can play devils advocate, it could be HBO simply trying to create some drama.
That goes with Roach and the rest too. They've all been talking about how this has been the worst training camp Pac's had with Roach. And that Pac hasn't been as focused.

Chances are, they're all fully aware that Pac is going to destroy Margarito but they need to build up some kind of drama to keep viewers interested.

If Roach is telling the truth that Pac hasn't been the same and his attention isn't there, then maybe we're going to see a big upset on the 13th.

But I think Pac's more than ready. He knows boxing helps fund his life as a congressman and also keeps his popularity high so he can keep his seat.
A loss would be devastating for both.

I don't know if Pac has the power to take Tony out, but my money says he's going to smack him all over that ring.

Wow Money I just stated the same thing in another thread. It's all about hyping up the PPV so people will be interested in seeing Manny possibly lose.