I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

[SHAKYR]

This puzzles me and I know it puzzles the developers. I want to know what would you describe as casual, sim, or hardcore gameplay ? Is there just 2 type of gamers or 3?
I also would like to know does the control scheme/configuration you use make you hardcore, sim or a casual?

Please be descriptive. I'll give my answers after a couple of responses to keep from baiting negative responses.

[TheCreep]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

I think there are only 2 types. Casual and sim. The sim heads can be broken down into subsects. Casual is casual.

Regardless if some want to admit it or not, sim heads suffer from a light form of OCD. You've probably noticed that you are the only one amongst your group of friends that actually notice players breathing heavily and the mist coming out of the players mouth in a game of Madden right?

When I was younger, I'd be the one pointing out the shell cases ejecting from a weapon and the sound they made when they hit the floor. I started recognizing that I was the only one noticing these small details.

After I pointed it out, THEN and only then would my peers notice it. They'd be like yea that is pretty sweet. They never would've noticed on their own. Those are the casuals, which make up most of the population I would say.

Then you have different degrees of sim heads. You have the "hardcore" bubbas, who obsess over every single detail. Those guys should stick with text sims in my opinion. If it's not represented in the game they cant stand it, and it seems they dont have the imagination to overcome an interactive games shortcomings

Then you have the sim heads like myself. Very much into detail, but not so much as to where it will ruin my game experience if the boxer doesn't bounce on his toes just so. I meet the devs half way most of the time.

I think games should continue to be made for the casual crowd specifically. They make up the majority of buyers. However, there needs to be options available for the sim heads. Sliders, equipment options, levels etc. The casuals are going to go where the wind takes em (whatever is popular) the sim heads will stick with you once you reel em in most cases (in MOST cases) lol.

You meet most casuals online.

[Chef Matt]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

For other games like baseball, football, I'm sim. My stats must be in line with what I want to see in their real life respective sports or the game is ruined for me.

But for boxing I'm casual. I truly don't care about punch connectivity averages and punch per round numbers. I only care about hitting someone and knocking them out.

I fight a sim style fight, don't spam, don't cheese, use my Stamina well, and I want my opponent to play the same way. At this point all I really care about for FNC is online cheese. I'll play a pinch of offline career or whatever they're calling it this year. And enjoy but won't really get into it.

Really, for me and my buddies, FN is all about two player and whoopin on each other. Offline or Online.

[Mr5000]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

I guess I would be a casual fan. All I need to be happy with a game is to have fun playing it. That's all I need. I'm not one of these folks who get all worked up if the stats aren't right. I just want to have fun with the game. If I'm winning,great. If I'm losing, I'm not gonna quit in the middle of it. That's why I don't play online.

But I don't begrudge people who are all about the stats or the ones who want to play a certain way. With the price of these games, you have a right to expect it to be a certain way.

[SHAKYR]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

I think there are only 2 types. Casual and sim. The sim heads can be broken down into subsects. Casual is casual.

Regardless if some want to admit it or not, sim heads suffer from a light form of OCD. You've probably noticed that you are the only one amongst your group of friends that actually notice players breathing heavily and the mist coming out of the players mouth in a game of Madden right?

When I was younger, I'd be the one pointing out the shell cases ejecting from a weapon and the sound they made when they hit the floor. I started recognizing that I was the only one noticing these small details.

After I pointed it out, THEN and only then would my peers notice it. They'd be like yea that is pretty sweet. They never would've noticed on their own. Those are the casuals, which make up most of the population I would say.

Then you have different degrees of sim heads. You have the "hardcore" bubbas, who obsess over every single detail. Those guys should stick with text sims in my opinion. If it's not represented in the game they cant stand it, and it seems they dont have the imagination to overcome an interactive games shortcomings

Then you have the sim heads like myself. Very much into detail, but not so much as to where it will ruin my game experience if the boxer doesn't bounce on his toes just so. I meet the devs half way most of the time.

I think games should continue to be made for the casual crowd specifically. They make up the majority of buyers. However, there needs to be options available for the sim heads. Sliders, equipment options, levels etc. The casuals are going to go where the wind takes em (whatever is popular) the sim heads will stick with you once you reel em in most cases (in MOST cases) lol.

You meet most casuals online. I try to inform them after matches are complete. Asking them if they know what stamina is? lol Stop wasting it. Seem rather dimwitted if you ask me. Well, thats another story. I'll stop now.

Dang, creep you make it hard to plea my case to the Fight Night Developers. The sim fanbase is larger than people are lead to believe. How are they going to try to accomplish what NBA 2k11 did if we settle and accept.
*I'm also a text-sim fan(Title Bout Championship Boxing)

For other games like baseball, football, I'm sim. My stats must be in line with what I want to see in their real life respective sports or the game is ruined for me.

But for boxing I'm casual. I truly don't care about punch connectivity averages and punch per round numbers. I only care about hitting someone and knocking them out.

I fight a sim style fight, don't spam, don't cheese, use my Stamina well, and I want my opponent to play the same way. At this point all I really care about for FNC is online cheese. I'll play a pinch of offline career or whatever they're calling it this year. And enjoy but won't really get into it.

Really, for me and my buddies, FN is all about two player and whoopin on each other. Offline or Online.

You guys are really making it hard for us hardcore boxing fans that take boxing as serious as you baseball, football and other stat related sports.

[Chef Matt]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

You guys are really making it hard for us hardcore boxing fans that take boxing as serious as you baseball, football and other stat related sports.

I know, but that's why I tend to not post much in impression and community feedback type threads. I'll let you sim/hardcore guys handle that. I'm happy with all the sim type changes and things they've added because of the sim style community. Just as long as the game is still fun, which of course will be.

I'm happy either way which I think is really what makes me a casual type fan of FN.

[TheCreep]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

Yes the sim crowd is large but it'll never be larger than the casual base ya know. I think for every 10 casuals there are 2 sim heads in that crowd. If we want the game to make money it HAS to made for them. I'm fine with all my details and options being in a menu that I can go and turn on.

[fistofrage]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

There are a few type of gamers....
1. Casual - Hey, I feel like boxing, lets pop in Fight Night and box a match. Plays many games, might play a 1st person shooter the most, but when he plays a sports title, he just wants to be able to pick up and play and have nice graphics.

2. Hardcore - Plays the same title all the time. May not know alot about the real sport, but knows all the ins and outs and glitches of the video game version. He will beat you at all cost. Even if its spamming 100 consecutive right hooks to the body out of a crouch position. He loves the game because he has exploited it.

3. Sim - May or may not play the game alot because of other commitments, but when he does play, he wants it to be as close to the real representation of the sport. Does not care if he wins or loses as long as it feels/looks right. Can usually get where he needs to be with some house rules.

4. The officianado - The person who thinks they are playing sim, but all of their real world experience comes from watching sportscenter highlights. These people are the biggest hurdle and pain for the Sim player. They cry to the developers because their isn't enough knockouts, 80 yard TD runs, 600 foot homeruns, etc. They want all the crazy exceptions that are shown on sportscenter added to the game. The developer tries to implement them and takes time and resources away from core gameplay. They also want every outcome to be the same. Example: If they are controlling Tyson and don't knockout a lesser opponent in 4 rounds or less, the game is broken. If they don't average exactly 4 yards per carry in a Madden game, its broken.

5. The slider Junkie - This person can be a combination of Sim and officianado but with Obsesssive Compulsive Disorder. Either way, the game will always be broken. They will try every slider combination but never actually complete a season, career, etc. They will just play with sliders until the next version comes out.

6. The Fine and Dandy - Forgot to add this joker. Everything with the game is fine and Dandy. If you say that there isn't flash KO's this guy will claim he sees them all the time. If you say illegal shots are overdone, he'll cite examples of how its done perfectly. If you show how the judges only score on volume of punches landed, he'll state how he won rounds on his ring generalship. Not sure if the person even plays the game, because if he does, he got some golden copy of the game that wasn't available to the mainstream. The game is perfect, its fine and dandy.

Feel free to add to the list....These are the 6 most common creatures I have come accross in my gaming safari.

[DaveDQ]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

I would have to say the difference between the sim/casual gamer is the level of understanding they have with the respective sport, and not just that, but also the level of tolerance they have when playing the game that represents that sport.

Just in the context of Fight Night Champion and boxing, maybe both the casual and sim guy knows it's highly unrealistic to throw 400+ punches in 3 rounds, but both have different tolerance levels for that. The casual guy is more likely to shurg it off and revel in how spot on Mike Tyson looks, where the sim guy is seriously burdened by a game that is supposed to be representing the sport of boxing and yet allows such things.

I don't know that you could say one is more serious in their gaming than the other. I think though it's just a matter of what you expect and what type of standard you set so that you can have a good time with your purchase.

[Hova57]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

Fisto you got it right. I'm between what creep and you said Sim. I think most people at least on OS try to play the game true to the sport.

[SteelerSpartan]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

I consider myself a player who wants to see a game perform and act like what I see on HBO/ShowTime/ESPN as much as possible.....So Im in the SIM crowd

I want to move and fight with boxers how they would in real life......I want to be rewarded for fighting to my fighters strength and likewise punished severely for not doing so.......And there is my biggest problem with the past FN games and Currently with FNC unless they can tune some things before retail

As a Sim player....Im against mechanisms...cough..PB Freezing...cough..cough that allow fighters to fight outside of their ability and ratings....quite simply, I don't care how good you are on the sticks, if you get into an unfavorable matchup you shouldn't be able to use a crutch to get out of it without paying a hefty price......And the game doesn't penalize people enough for getting into bad matchups for extended periods of time.

Im not going to waste my time learning one dominating tactic that overrides Boxing IQ and Strategy to compete Online
Its not fun to me at all to have to fight like that......Theres different ways to win in real boxing and there should be in the game as well........Im more then happy to just play with others like me(Big Props for Custom GYM Settings Team Brizzo :-) and stick to fighting great Offline CABs in Legacy/Fight Now

I don't think a Control scheme should get in the way of Reading,Interpreting and Reacting to whats on the Screen...I would rather the game let you focus more on your strategy

And I think thats a big time debate^^ between Sim players and Hardcore guys who have to win at any costs.....they think if their stick skills are good enough.....they should be able to out Jab/Straight Hearns with malignaggi easily

[Vast]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

Yes the sim crowd is large but it'll never be larger than the casual base ya know. I think for every 10 casuals there are 2 sim heads in that crowd. If we want the game to make money it HAS to made for them. I'm fine with all my details and options being in a menu that I can go and turn on.

This is where you're completely wrong.

NBA2k11 was not made for the casuals. If it was sales would be abysmal. The most casual NBA2k game ever made is also the worst version ever made NBA2K4.

We would not be buying this game if it was still being made for casual fans. We would not buy a rehash of Fight Night 3, which in my opinion was the most arcade version made.

You make the game as realistic as possible. This is what everyone wants.
Then you add features to cater to both the casuals and the sim heads.

for example: a simplified control scheme(casuals) arcade settings(casuals) simulation settings(sim heads).

Notice how this demo has received more praise than the FN4 demo. This game is definitely more realistic.

[TheCreep]

Re: I have questions to the fans. What is a sim, casual, and hardcore fan?

There are a few type of gamers....
1. Casual - Hey, I feel like boxing, lets pop in Fight Night and box a match. Plays many games, might play a 1st person shooter the most, but when he plays a sports title, he just wants to be able to pick up and play and have nice graphics.

2. Hardcore - Plays the same title all the time. May not know alot about the real sport, but knows all the ins and outs and glitches of the video game version. He will beat you at all cost. Even if its spamming 100 consecutive right hooks to the body out of a crouch position. He loves the game because he has exploited it.

3. Sim - May or may not play the game alot because of other commitments, but when he does play, he wants it to be as close to the real representation of the sport. Does not care if he wins or loses as long as it feels/looks right. Can usually get where he needs to be with some house rules.

4. The officianado - The person who thinks they are playing sim, but all of their real world experience comes from watching sportscenter highlights. These people are the biggest hurdle and pain for the Sim player. They cry to the developers because their isn't enough knockouts, 80 yard TD runs, 600 foot homeruns, etc. They want all the crazy exceptions that are shown on sportscenter added to the game. The developer tries to implement them and takes time and resources away from core gameplay. They also want every outcome to be the same. Example: If they are controlling Tyson and don't knockout a lesser opponent in 4 rounds or less, the game is broken. If they don't average exactly 4 yards per carry in a Madden game, its broken.

5. The slider Junkie - This person can be a combination of Sim and officianado but with Obsesssive Compulsive Disorder. Either way, the game will always be broken. They will try every slider combination but never actually complete a season, career, etc. They will just play with sliders until the next version comes out.

6. The Fine and Dandy - Forgot to add this joker. Everything with the game is fine and Dandy. If you say that there isn't flash KO's this guy will claim he sees them all the time. If you say illegal shots are overdone, he'll cite examples of how its done perfectly. If you show how the judges only score on volume of punches landed, he'll state how he won rounds on his ring generalship. Not sure if the person even plays the game, because if he does, he got some golden copy of the game that wasn't available to the mainstream. The game is perfect, its fine and dandy.

Feel free to add to the list....These are the 6 most common creatures I have come accross in my gaming safari.

I can dig these descriptions. Very true. I think I'm a combo of your #s 3 and 5. Always tinkering with sliders to get the game as close to sim as possible. Once I get it as close as can be with sliders, its imagination and house rules from there to get the perfect experience for me.