OWC is perfect example how Micro-transactions is ruining gaming!

[Phobia]

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I feel like EA used the community day guys to spread all this goodwill and excitement for the game only to pull the bait and switch. IDK OWC is a frustrating experience and not much fun. I don't know how long FNC is gonna last in my rotation. Its fun but limited not a lot of replay value based on the online experience.

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I would not go so far to say it was a bait and switch. I mean it could be, but we were never told about these XP packs. We were told you would fight and level your guy up through his career both online and offline. Never was told we would have these "steroid" packs.

I think today was the day the series died for me. I have not bought the game thanks to the comments supplied by this board.

But I look at all the long time guys on the boxing board here and all I see is frustration. The community guys appeared to have been duped.

There is no chance of getting a sim now with a deep legacy. The Prizefighter II mode gained accolades and high ratings. Most likely because EA greased some palms. If a boxing fan reviewed this game what I am seeing is a 6 to possibly 7 rating at the most after the game has been thouroughly explored.

I'll check back in after a few patches and see what everyone is saying then. With the Show right around trhe corner, can't see where this would get much play time anyway.

Yea Fist I am same way as Rob, while I enjoy the game. The online modes and OWC make it soooo frustrating. So when you look at the large picture and what games are out right now that are fun to play and which games are coming out soon which will be fun to play. It leaves me not wanting to put the time into it, because quite frankly why should I waste time doing something which is bringing me little enjoyment.

Now I must say the Champion mode did not need any palms greased, the mode really is excellent. But like mentioned it is short and the replay value extends what MAYBE two play through. So then you are stuck with the bland and boring legacy or go online and be frustrated.

All I know is that I am very disappointed that a game with such promise was hurt so bad by stupid design decisions.

[SA1NT401]

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Micro-transactions should be for strictly offline use.

Have said the same thing since these "MIcro transactions' appeared....I hate them personally.

Whats the point in OWC really? Very sad if you ask me....Just helps me remember why i DONT play online anymore unless its someone i KNOW personally or a fellow OS'er.

[ChaseB]

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These type of microtransactions work fine in other games, they're just not balanced correctly here.

[Sanchise]

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The microtansactions complaining is useless bc you can just gain enough XP and max out a right hook the lold fashion way. This approach is the best way if you want to be competitive in OWC. I went for 5 right hook to 20 and did gained only 1 pt in my overall. The game has a huge flaw where pwer shots are too effective. Instead of fighting this fact I realized it and didn't. Use any points on any other category until my power shot right maxed out. I'm something like 55-5 no boosts used @ all

[MWit28725]

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The microtansactions complaining is useless bc you can just gain enough XP and max out a right hook the lold fashion way. This approach is the best way if you want to be competitive in OWC. I went for 5 right hook to 20 and did gained only 1 pt in my overall. The game has a huge flaw where pwer shots are too effective. Instead of fighting this fact I realized it and didn't. Use any points on any other category until my power shot right maxed out. I'm something like 55-5 no boosts used @ all

This is yet another exploit that makes OWC so frustrating.

[JohnnyRu31]

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While it Is no doubt frustrating I think our only option besides not playing online is to sply not worry about your record, take your lumps, and earn that xp. Unfortunately.

[Vaiasucks]

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So glad I waited to buy this game. I'm definitely not getting it with these current issues at hand.

[Phobia]

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While it Is no doubt frustrating I think our only option besides not playing online is to sply not worry about your record, take your lumps, and earn that xp. Unfortunately.

You are completely right Johnny, plus rely on your friends in the gym mode. I fought, SteelerSpartan and Tarheelfan last night in the gym and the games were fun because we were pretty balanced. Granted Spartan was a good bit out gunned than my fighter, it was still balanced enough for a fun/fair fight.

I am remaining out of OWC until I get my fighter built up a good bit more. It is just way to frustrating to deal with it right now.

[DaveDQ]

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The micro transactions ruin it. But the key to all of this is "levels available." In the OWC you can only go so high. When you add more points to a specific area, your levels available gets added to. The cap is 220. Once you hit 220, you can no longer add XP.

This is where I think OWC is very well implemented. These guys that have one punch maxed out are no longer able to add points because their levels avaliable has maxed or is very well close to being maxed. That means they have huge gaps to fill with their boxer but they can't. So when those who are working towards balancing out their guy with a good chin and some even left/right hook power get there and face Mr. Right Hook, they will dominate.

Being able to buy your guy's abilities is frustrating, but at the same time working on my guy so I can compete is even more rewarding. I don't see these maxed out one punch gimmick guys lasting much longer. In fact I think they are already being weeded out. OWC is still too early in its mode to say it's ruined.

[Phobia]

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The micro transactions ruin it. But the key to all of this is "levels available." In the OWC you can only go so high. When you add more points to a specific area, your levels available gets added to. The cap is 220. Once you hit 220, you can no longer add XP.

This is where I think OWC is very well implemented. These guys that have one punch maxed out are no longer able to add points because their levels avaliable has maxed or is very well close to being maxed. That means they have huge gaps to fill with their boxer but they can't. So when those who are working towards balancing out their guy with a good chin and some even left/right hook power get there and face Mr. Right Hook, they will dominate.

Being able to buy your guy's abilities is frustrating, but at the same time working on my guy so I can compete is even more rewarding. I don't see these maxed out one punch gimmick guys lasting much longer. In fact I think they are already being weeded out. OWC is still too early in its mode to say it's ruined.

We need stamina to play a much much bigger role for this one hand power shot guys to seem fair. It is one thing for them to be weak every where else on their stats but chin and right hand at 20. But you can't take advantage of his weak stats when he can throw that right hand power shot 400 times and he does not lose enough stamina to detour them away from this strategy.

So while I hope you are right about the 220 level cap, I am worried about other things such as balance, boosts, and further exploits we have yet to come across.

[Hellisan]

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I have about had it with online. I fought 3 or 4 fights last night and had enough of this crap mode OWC. EA designed this mode where you either spend MORE money to buy a XP pack so you can compete at the very least or you are stuck getting KOed over and over and over.

A 1 to 2 point overall difference in fighters is HUGE. I fought several 80, 81, 83, rated opponents ALL with one single punch maxed out to 20. Then they throw that one single punch over and over.

You might say, well you can just run and out point them.......sure to a degree......but he will catch you a couple times and that is all it takes. I held one guy to a 20% connect rate through 6 rounds and he only landed 30 something punches, then boom he connects and of course 1 Punch flash KO. My third of the night, all by the same routine. Hell I held one guy to FIVE, let me restate that FIVE punches landed and he 1 Punch KOed me.

This is a HUGE issue, because it took me around 10 mins to find a match even with a guy with a rating that low. I came across several upper 80s guys. If your lowly 78 or 79 rated guy can't compete against this cheese from a 81 overall fighter, how in world would you make it out of 1st rd versus 88 overall guy?!?!?!

I am completely baffled by this design! I want to be clear that at community day we were NEVER told of these XP packs aka Micro-transactions. This has ruined online play for me, I am not going to spend more money on a damn XP pack just so I don't get KOed in first round. This is going to limit me to only to offline, I am completely disgusted by this. I don't even feel like going home and attempt to play this.

You got two options, 1) Either you spend days/weeks offline or sparring leveling up your fighter to finally be able to compete in OWC. 2) You spend even more money on XP pack to be able to compete.

What more needs to be said , perfect example of how these Micro-transactions are hurting the gaming industry and consumers such as myself. Because now it affects my hobby!

Great post and topic....

I hear it's a great game... But from what I hear they have REALLY sold out the average gamer (who wants to build his guy up) in the interest of the almighty dollar.

Is this where they cross the line?

"Damn EA and their moneymaking schemes" is something I just heard my friend say.

[ChaseB]

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Great post and topic....

I hear it's a great game... But from what I hear they have REALLY sold out the average gamer (who wants to build his guy up) in the interest of the almighty dollar.

Is this where they cross the line?

"Damn EA and their moneymaking schemes" is something I just heard my friend say.

I think the execution is poor, but microtransactions have not hurt the experience more than the experience was already hurt by not being balanced from the start. Microtransactions just brought the issues to the forefront quicker than they would have otherwise.

[Phobia]

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I think the execution is poor, but microtransactions have not hurt the experience more than the experience was already hurt by not being balanced from the start. Microtransactions just brought the issues to the forefront quicker than they would have otherwise.

You have a point there Chase, but you can still put blame on Micro-transactions because this is a trend which we should not condone in our hobby. We spend enough on our consoles, sounds systems, controllers, batteries, games, HD TV's, DLC, etc. We should not condone even more nickle and dime-ing.

The reason soooo many guys went out and bought XP packs is because like I heard many say "whats 20 bucks, whats 5 bucks". Granted yea I agree "what is 5 bucks", but you already paid for the game, the modes, and the features. You should not be spending even more money for "Experience Points". Isn't that a contradictory statement now that I think about it. Experience Points for someone who has NO experience in game.....wow.

But the reason so many bought these 20 bucks packs and such is because it was needed to be able to compete with the others doing it. So in essence, EA spawned a trend which could be potential really bad for the gaming industry. I mean what next we are going to be paying $64.79 for our game and then another 5 bucks to use Sliders because "Whats 5 bucks".

I am using extremes but this a perfect red flag of how this can be really bad for our hobby.

[Vast]

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I think the execution is poor, but microtransactions have not hurt the experience more than the experience was already hurt by not being balanced from the start. Microtransactions just brought the issues to the forefront quicker than they would have otherwise.

Can you please explain why you are defending micro-transactions? It's a competitive mode yet they are allowing people to gain an advantage for the right price.

This isn't the real world where using steroids or any other artificial enhancements can have side effects and not to mention are illegal. It's actually encouraged by the organization thats running the competition!

This is even more stupid than "hey put these boots on they'll give you +10 speed".

[ChaseB]

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You have a point there Chase, but you can still put blame on Micro-transactions because this is a trend which we should not condone in our hobby. We spend enough on our consoles, sounds systems, controllers, batteries, games, HD TV's, DLC, etc. We should not condone even more nickle and dime-ing.

The reason soooo many guys went out and bought XP packs is because like I heard many say "whats 20 bucks, whats 5 bucks". Granted yea I agree "what is 5 bucks", but you already paid for the game, the modes, and the features. You should not be spending even more money for "Experience Points". Isn't that a contradictory statement now that I think about it. Experience Points for someone who has NO experience in game.....wow.

But the reason so many bought these 20 bucks packs and such is because it was needed to be able to compete with the others doing it. So in essence, EA spawned a trend which could be potential really bad for the gaming industry. I mean what next we are going to be paying $64.79 for our game and then another 5 bucks to use Sliders because "Whats 5 bucks".

I am using extremes but this a perfect red flag of how this can be really bad for our hobby.

Can you please explain why you are defending micro-transactions? It's a competitive mode yet they are allowing people to gain an advantage for the right price.

This isn't the real world where using steroids or any other artificial enhancements can have side effects and not to mention are illegal. It's actually encouraged by the organization thats running the competition!

This is even more stupid than "hey put these boots on they'll give you +10 speed".

Beyond the "no one is forcing you to buy it" argument, the micro-transactions model works fine in other games. It doesn't destroy Ultimate Team modes and it hasn't wrecked OTP in some of the team-oriented games in other EA titles.

I haven't spent a single cent on that sort of stuff and have never felt like I was being screwed over. If someone wants to feel overpowered, you could make the argument for a "cheat code" or whatever that would have been around in the old days rather than purchasing an item, but it doesn't discount the fact that a shortcut always existed.

These "boosts" you can buy just highlight a problem with the experience system and fatigue system in the game. It's a matter of poor design. In other words, these problems would crop up regardless of whether you played 100 fights or just bought them after one fight.

And steroids being compared to micro-transactions is, well, silly. I get that people are frustrated, but think about the source of the frustration. This week it's on the micro-transactions because they highlighted a problem that was in the game right away. In other games, it can be a bummer as well, but that element is fleeting. Yes, going up against a 90-rated left winger on launch day in NHL is not so hot when you're a 75 overall, but those differences dissipate as you play the game and level up -- and it's still a team sport so you can rely on your teammates to help you beat the one highly rated guy. Having someone who has a massive left hook does suck if your chin is in the crapper, but if the guy actually got tired then you could conceivably survive the fight, and you would only close the performance gap when your guy got better over time. If the rating system made it clear what you were about to go up against, it would be even easier to just avoid this problem from the outset.

Look, micro-transactions are not something I take lightly, and I certainly understand different arguments about games being cheaper and selling the game in pieces rather than as a $60 title -- or even free-to-play MMOs with micro-transactions being a potential model for the future -- but they're not that sinister in the grand scheme of things -EDIT- here /edit. Anything has the potential to be sinister, as you pointed out Phobia, but the idea that they are going to get to that point is not a foregone conclusion, and FNC does not prove that there is a slippery slope afoot.