In defense of my FNC purchase.

[Mr Bungle 34]

I have seen alot of posts expressing regret for purchasing FNC. I feel your pain. After a week of solid playing, FNC is back in it's case and I am back to playing NBA 2K11. If only all games could live up to NBA 2K11. I have played it nearly everyday since it's release. Having played it for at least a thousand hours the game has provided me with hours of entertainment at a price of only a few cents per hour. I would literally pay 500.00 bucks for that game.

I must admit my hatred for EA. I think generally speaking, they make crappy games and I have been extremely bitter towards the company ever since they bought the NFL license. I try to avoid their games. However, being a sucker for boxing I got FNC. By my estimation I have spent 3 hours completing champion mode, which I think was poorly done. Most fights seemed totally scripted. I really never felt like I was boxing so much as I felt like I was simply playing out a scenario. I have also fought 36 fights in legacy mode and have enjoyed it- though I'm at the point where I'm the undisputed champ and I don't forsee an able challenger on the horizon. I have also fought 10 or so exhibition fights. All in all I figure I have played FNC for atleast 30 hours and will pull it off the shelf from time to time whenever I feel like boxing.

At this rate, FNC has provided me with entertainment at 2$ an hour, much cheaper than any arcade, and I suspect I will get at least another 30 hours of entertainmnet in the next 2 years, when I sporadically pull it off the shelf when I'm in the mood and before the next Fight Night is released. Basically I will end up paying one dollar per hour for the entertainment FNC provideds. That is pretty good. What other medium provideds that low of a cost per hour?

I like the gameplay in FNC and if the sliders are fixed it could actually be a decent game that would merit even more hours of play. Still, just judging the game and situation as it stands, I think we can get our moneys worth out of the game and maybe most importantly we keep alive the only boxing title going. For years I waited for 2K to release a boxing game and when they did it was terrible (Prizefighter). I would like to think that my purchase of FNC will keep the boxing genre alive and may even lead to a game that equals NBA 2K11 in it's replayability but if not, atleast one company will continue to put out a boxing game. If they can duplicate the marginal improvements made in FNC ( Vs. FNR4) maybe that is all that matters....

[Jdoug312]

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I think thats a great way to put it.

[jtdribbles25]

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typically I agree with your stance. dollar for dollar the value is not regrettable. however EA ripped me off in my expectations. Meaning, that to pull online sliders out at "the last minute" is b.s.

I primarily bought the game because I KNEW the online sliders would work in the online gym. I also bought the game with the espectation that the sliders would AT LEAST work as well as implemented in the previous title. With the notion that at the least there would be patches/tuners towards the community perspective. They have thrown me under the bus and lost a customer for any of games going foward.

Im glad you have rationalized your decision tho. lol.

[DurtySoufReppin]

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I completely agree with you. NBA 2k11 is amazing. And it still has a ridiculous amount of potential. (better online,better team up, deeper league play)

I would pay $100 for 2k11 because I know I would get my money's worth like you said.

But I Feel like with Fight Night I have completely threw away money. The online is terrible. The gameplay is so cheesy & arcady that I can't even lose a match without feeling like I was cheated. I was expecting much deeper game play that forces boxers to fight smart instead of throwing 900 haymakers a fight. IDK why I expected much from EA anyways, but I most definitely learned my lesson. It's 2011, with today's technology Sports games should be as close to simulation as possible & not arcade style.

I am currently selling my copy on craigs list so I can purchase COD Black Ops. I feel I will get a bigger bang for my buck with that because I'll actually play it instead of paying $60 for Fight Night & it collects dust.

[Tengo Juego]

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I would literally pay 500.00 bucks for that game.

I would pay $100 for 2k11 because I know I would get my money's worth like you said.

C'mon man... you guys are being silly.

[DereckM]

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EA lied to us about online sliders. And offline sliders dont work. Then to top it all off EA is not going to patch or fix sliders online or offline. There are a few other slip ups, mishaps or just bone headed design decisions or whatever you want to call em on EAs behalf that I wont even bother mentioning.

There is no reason to defend this game man. If it was any other company that blatantly lied and then told you they were not going to try to fix or adjust things in the game that they themselves admit dont work. We would nail them to the cross. So why not EA or FNC? They bandaid most games most of the time but for the only boxing game we have there is no bandaid no tweaks to sliders huh?

This is another example of so close but so far. Just a few simple tweaks to the game would have made it really good. But because of the lack of these simple tweaks and bandaids. Its a flash KOed average bum of a game.

(Flash knockouts by guys that throw 150 right hooks in 2 rounds nonsense)

[fistofrage]

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I can defend almost5 any game purchase with your logic.

A relatively cheap dinner for me and the wife is at least $60. A round of Golf is $60. A bender at the bar followed by a pounding headache is $60. All of which I could say that if any game gives me 5 to 10 hors of entetainment, its on par with other recreation.

But we're not comparing it to other recreation, we are comparing it to other games. I look at The Show, The Total War Series, NBA 2K11, Dragon Age, etc and then look at this game and shake my head. With just a few tweaks and some attention to detail, this game could have been very good, but compared to the other games mentoned, its Bush League.

[Mr5000]

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I can defend almost5 any game purchase with your logic.

A relatively cheap dinner for me and the wife is at least $60. A round of Golf is $60. A bender at the bar followed by a pounding headache is $60. All of which I could say that if any game gives me 5 to 10 hors of entetainment, its on par with other recreation.

But we're not comparing it to other recreation, we are comparing it to other games. I look at The Show, The Total War Series, NBA 2K11, Dragon Age, etc and then look at this game and shake my head. With just a few tweaks and some attention to detail, this game could have been very good, but compared to the other games mentoned, its Bush League.

******* man, we ****ing get it, you don't like the game. Say it once and move the hell on.

[fistofrage]

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******* man, we ****ing get it, you don't like the game. Say it once and move the hell on.

Ignore button, learn to use it if my posts lead you to post vulgarity.

If noone gives honest criticism to this game, two years from now, they are going to release round 6 with the exact same legacy mode that we had in round 4.

[DurtySoufReppin]

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C'mon man... you guys are being silly.

[Phobia]

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******* man, we ****ing get it, you don't like the game. Say it once and move the hell on.

5000 I don't see the reason for you getting so upset. I was at community day, reviewed the game with a "Great" score, and I still express very similar views as FistofRage.

His points are very truthful. Seldom have people heard me complain about games. UFC 2010 and Fight Night Champion have been about the only 2 I can remember in several years now.

But the dissatisfaction is very warranted. Sure you are over look some things, but others not so much.

When a game has the amount of issues I have come across in the short time having the game. It normally will get picked apart and this is a correct route. Customer satisfaction should be #1 on game developers minds. If people are happy then the game was a success, if people are not happy then they messed up somewhere along the way.

Look at these issues I have crossed
System Locks (Legacy mode lockup & Gym Lock up) Scared to play game now
Sliders not working
Online Sliders being pulled last week before launch
CPU Punch output to high
Legacy mode bug that skips you straight to a fight which ends in a stamina issue
Gym simulate issues where commish can't edits matches
Gym issues that locks up tournament board
Stamina having no factor is OWC matches ( I don't think I have EVER had less than 90% in any of my OWC matches)

So all in all I agree that negativity nonstop is not a good thing. But also expressing your dissatisfaction with issues you are having is good also. If you don't want to read or see the bad then I suggest like Fist said, either ignore or just refrain from reading.

I said it once and I will say it again. If you went out and bought a 2011 Honda Accord and sales man told you it had Satellite Radio, Heated Seats, and Power windows. Then you buy the car, take it home and try to use the Satellite radio and realize it was NOT in the car you just bought(aka online sliders). Then you go to use the Power Windows and realize only 2 go down, the others don't work (aka Offline Sliders) you would be upset and return the car. We as game consumers can't do this, because once you break the seal to the game you can only trade it in or sell it yourself.

So bottom line people are rightfully upset because they did not get what they paid for.

[rayfieleous]

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same here fight night is back in the case and im back to 2k11 honestly though ea showed me that they can produce a sim boxing game the engine is great the footwork is great but ea knows most people know nothing bout boxing so they allow exploits to make the game open to a wider audience what ea needs to do is add a sim lobby like the hof lobby in 2k11 where cheese wont work

[wyrm187]

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the problem with this game is that it is half baked. I feel like they are really getting close with this game but why oh why can't they just deliver a finished product? I can get past the bugs and the sliders (if they come to their senses and patch them) - what I can't get past is the lack of attention to detail.

Its the little things in the show and nba 2k that make the game a real pleasure to play and watch. While this game has some unpredictability EA manages to miss some of the subtleties of the game that other companies hone in on and capture.

why is it so ridiculously hard to clinch - I have watched plenty of fights and when you get in close, guess what - a guy cant throw and they get tied up. The whole clinch system is a debacle and with no way to throw punches while tying up it should be IN THE GAME EA.

I have never had an ounce of fear after getting up from a knock down that I needed to cover up or tie the other guy up. No stun state (at least some of the time) after getting knocked down? thats part of boxing. . . .also how about some variable difficulty getting up in the awful knock down game? and why is there no option to turn it off?

The instant replay directly after a knockdown? come on guys - give us some mid round highlights LIKE A REAL FIGHT. It just doesn't fit.

Punch connect %s - please patch for the love of god

Show us some sweeping camera work at the beginning of the fight with from a distance with both guys in their corners like the beginning of real fights. I appreciate the new cameras but make it immersive - suck me in and make me feel like I'm watching a fight. This is what the Show and 2k11 have down to a science.

EA - your intentions are good (I think) and every time I think you are there and this is it - they are on par with the leaders in the industry (quality wise NOT sales numbers wise) - you let me down

[Money99]

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Great comments wyrm187.
Presentation is huge in sports games these days.

More replays and analysis between rounds. How about a highlight package after the fight?
Even the decision cutscenes are a joke. You know who wins every time.
Why not show both fighters pacing in their posse while the announcer reads the cards? And then you can show a split screen between fighters to show their emotion when the decision is announced?

With NBA2K11 you have press conferences where you can come off however you like; cocky, brash, serious, humble.
Why not the same thing for post-fight interviews or press conferences before and after fights?

There's another 24 months before Rd6 comes out. There's absolutely no excuse why all of this can't be added by then.

The sad thing is, it sounds like there was barely anything added after the previous 2 years.
We got a canned Champions Mode while all the other modes and presentation went largely untouched.
I hope that's not the case for Rd6.

[wyrm187]

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yes Money that's another thing I forgot to add! It drives me insane that as soon as you see the cut scene you know what is about to happen. .. give me a break here- it's just plain laziness to have it like that. They did the same thing with the madden chain gang during first down measurements - one cut scene always shows a first down, the other means your short .. .is this too much to ask for to show a bit of unpredictability?

another thing I forgot mention - the lame, totally unimmersive ring walks and intros - even THQ nailed that part with UFC