Idea(s) for Introducing Diet and Weight Control for FNRd6

[Money99]

Re: Idea(s) for Introducing Diet and Weight Control for FNRd6

Did the producers ever indicate that they were going to enhance career mode in the next edition. If you have an avenue to get their attention, please try to get them to listen about enhancing the career mode.

The conversation I had with them in 2009 had me very excited for Legacy Mode. I got the impression that they wanted to do a lot of what we're asking.

I don't know what happened though. A lot of what was talked about seemed to have fallen through the cracks.

For example, fist, you mentioned how you want to be able to start your career with a monster right away. After-all, Tyson, Floyd, Ali, Robinson, were all great fighters in their 1st fight.
Brizzo echoed this sentiment. In fact, I remember him saying something to the affect of "Tyson had great speed and power his first fight! That's how it should be in Legacy Mode too".
He even admitted that if you start as a 55OV and fight other 55's only to move up to 70 to fight other 70's, what's the point? You're never ahead of anyone. You're merely fighting another slow, powerless fighter until eventually your quick, powerful boxer is fighting other quick, powerful boxers.

I'm paraphrasing, but I remember when he said that I was very optimistic as to where Legacy Mode was going.
I felt the exact same way and I know many there did too.

Sadly, something derailed that line of thinking. Obviously someone thought it better to create Champion Mode, OWC and online gyms. $$$ talks and the rest of us walk.

At the very least, why can't we start our careers with a legend and in his prime?

I don't want to wait another 2 years. Especially since I have a sinking feeling they'll only be using their time for Champions Mode 2 where you have a bit more leeway as to what choices you can make.
Legacy Mode is dead and even though I'm half-joking when I say this, I wouldn't be shocked if it was removed entirely down the road.

[fistofrage]

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The conversation I had with them in 2009 had me very excited for Legacy Mode. I got the impression that they wanted to do a lot of what we're asking.

I don't know what happened though. A lot of what was talked about seemed to have fallen through the cracks.

For example, fist, you mentioned how you want to be able to start your career with a monster right away. After-all, Tyson, Floyd, Ali, Robinson, were all great fighters in their 1st fight.
Brizzo echoed this sentiment. In fact, I remember him saying something to the affect of "Tyson had great speed and power his first fight! That's how it should be in Legacy Mode too".
He even admitted that if you start as a 55OV and fight other 55's only to move up to 70 to fight other 70's, what's the point? You're never ahead of anyone. You're merely fighting another slow, powerless fighter until eventually your quick, powerful boxer is fighting other quick, powerful boxers.

I'm paraphrasing, but I remember when he said that I was very optimistic as to where Legacy Mode was going.
I felt the exact same way and I know many there did too.

Sadly, something derailed that line of thinking. Obviously someone thought it better to create Champion Mode, OWC and online gyms. $$$ talks and the rest of us walk.

At the very least, why can't we start our careers with a legend and in his prime?

I don't want to wait another 2 years. Especially since I have a sinking feeling they'll only be using their time for Champions Mode 2 where you have a bit more leeway as to what choices you can make.
Legacy Mode is dead and even though I'm half-joking when I say this, I wouldn't be shocked if it was removed entirely down the road.

You can start a legacy with a boxer in his prime, you just have to buy the steroid packs.

All I can say is that Brizzo talks the talk. But he walks like Kudo.



Remember when he left EA and all the peasants rejoiced because we were finally going to get the boxing game we dreamed of........

The Legacy mode is almost exactly the same as when Big Tigger was screaming "A dose of Pain to the Brain....A triple Combo!" 8 years ago

[SHAKYR]

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No Kudo wouldn't talk to us at all. Brizzo and Mike Mahar communicates with us at least. I just wish they would listen more to the true boxing fans.

[fistofrage]

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No Kudo wouldn't talk to us at all. Brizzo and Mike Mahar communicates with us at least. I just wish they would listen more to the true boxing fans.

I guess the ting that gets me is that everyone says Brizzo is a true boxing fan. The Legacy mode stuff we are begging for honestly wouldn't take that much time at all. I'm talking about mainly text based items like larger pool of boxers in the rankings, etc. It just seems like it would be a must if you are a boxing fan. I can understand why Kudo didn't care, he's a video game developer who was asked to design a boxing game. These are boxing fans who are also game developers.

Well keep those lines of communications open and hopefully you can push some stuff through.

[SHAKYR]

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I guess the ting that gets me is that everyone says Brizzo is a true boxing fan. The Legacy mode stuff we are begging for honestly wouldn't take that much time at all. I'm talking about mainly text based items like larger pool of boxers in the rankings, etc. It just seems like it would be a must if you are a boxing fan. I can understand why Kudo didn't care, he's a video game developer who was asked to design a boxing game. These are boxing fans who are also game developers.

Well keep those lines of communications open and hopefully you can push some stuff through.

Trust me I will push without being annoying. They say I'm their biggest critic....lol!

[fistofrage]

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Trust me I will push without being annoying. They say I'm their biggest critic....lol!

Its a win/win for them, they listen to constructive criticism, they make a better game, get more free advertising from the boxing community fans and make more $$$$.

[Complex]

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Let me ask you all this.....should diet and weight take the place of training games?

I never liked the idea of training to get power, speed etc. I dont know too many fighters that gain 99 power after training for a few years.

[SHAKYR]

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Let me ask you all this.....should diet and weight take the place of training games?

I never liked the idea of training to get power, speed etc. I dont know too many fighters that gain 99 power after training for a few years.

I like them both, but the training isn't implemented correct to me. speed and power should be minimal boost to your ratings for a match. You should have set ratings and attributes.

[Money99]

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Let me ask you all this.....should diet and weight take the place of training games?

I never liked the idea of training to get power, speed etc. I dont know too many fighters that gain 99 power after training for a few years.

I don't like the training either. The whole concept of hitting the heavy bag, wind-sprints, etc is a joke.

It should be a lot more like VB2 where you have a calendar and schedule workouts and exercises.
If the gamer wants to get better at the game, have him schedule sparring, or even include all the mini-games improve certain skills.
But the whole concept of earning points by skipping rope is ridiculous.

And if EA thinks users won't want to schedule workouts then don't. Again, make earning money worthwhile. With your cash, you can hire trainers to make sure you're in shape before every fight. So if you can only afford a C+ trainer, you'll never go into a fight 100%.

It's time these companies realize that we're paying $60+ for a game. If I want to start my baseball, basketball, hockey or boxing career as a 99OV athlete then let me!!!

Al Kaline, Lebron James, Sidney Crosby all began careers as 18-year-old stars. They never played a minute in the minors. Why can't we do that too?

Seriously, the entire concept of starting as a crappy boxer and slowly building yourself up is incredibly outdated.
The technology has never been better. It's time the producers and engineers used some creativity and utilize their resources instead of relying on 30-year-old concepts that have run their course.
I love great graphics. But if that's all today's consoles can provide there's something wrong with the industry as a whole.

[SHAKYR]

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I don't like the training either. The whole concept of hitting the heavy bag, wind-sprints, etc is a joke.

It should be a lot more like VB2 where you have a calendar and schedule workouts and exercises.
If the gamer wants to get better at the game, have him schedule sparring, or even include all the mini-games improve certain skills.
But the whole concept of earning points by skipping rope is ridiculous.

And if EA thinks users won't want to schedule workouts then don't. Again, make earning money worthwhile. With your cash, you can hire trainers to make sure you're in shape before every fight. So if you can only afford a C+ trainer, you'll never go into a fight 100%.

It's time these companies realize that we're paying $60+ for a game. If I want to start my baseball, basketball, hockey or boxing career as a 99OV athlete then let me!!!

Al Kaline, Lebron James, Sidney Crosby all began careers as 18-year-old stars. They never played a minute in the minors. Why can't we do that too?

Seriously, the entire concept of starting as a crappy boxer and slowly building yourself up is incredibly outdated.
The technology has never been better. It's time the producers and engineers used some creativity and utilize their resources instead of relying on 30-year-old concepts that have run their course.
I love great graphics. But if that's all today's consoles can provide there's something wrong with the industry as a whole.

Great stuff and I agree. I'm loving the feedback in this thread. We need EA to really brain-storm on implementing realism to everything that deals with boxing.

[fistofrage]

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If they fix the punchoutput and tweak stamina they will be pretty close to having the in the ring aspect of the game down. They will just need to add....

1. Knockdown and get up variety. We now have 1 punch KO's but we don't have guys that can't get up by the count of 10 on the 1st knockdown. You know that if you knock a guy down for the 1st time and its not a 1 puch KO, he's getting back up.

2. If a guy struggles to get up, he needs to still be woozy when he gets up, not like he just rose out of bed after a good nights sleep and he's all recharged again.

3. Clinching. It needs to be more prevelant and a little easier to do. Right now if you are rocked, attempting to clinch is the worst thing you can do. It goes into the Keystone Cop animation where you grab air and then get KO'd.

4. Injuries in the ring and more varitety of stoppages. Like multiple stun states where the ref just waives it off.

5. Corner Men. You should have to pay a pretty price for good cornermen. They need to implement money and choices where you spend resources in career mode. Scrimp on the cornerman and you'll pay. By the same token, even a great cornerman shouldn't be overpowered where he turns into a Dungeons & Dragons cleric and casts a 3rd level healing spell on you.

These are just a few minor modifications. Then they can spend the next 2 years making the most awesome Career mode ever in a sports game. That should be the easy part now that they have a solid in the ring game.

[CzanMan]

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Speaking of VB2, I really just wish 2K/Visual Concepts would collaborate with the company that made VB2 and make a game. That would be the sickest boxing game and career mode ever.

[Vast]

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I don't like the training either. The whole concept of hitting the heavy bag, wind-sprints, etc is a joke.

It should be a lot more like VB2 where you have a calendar and schedule workouts and exercises.
If the gamer wants to get better at the game, have him schedule sparring, or even include all the mini-games improve certain skills.
But the whole concept of earning points by skipping rope is ridiculous.

And if EA thinks users won't want to schedule workouts then don't. Again, make earning money worthwhile. With your cash, you can hire trainers to make sure you're in shape before every fight. So if you can only afford a C+ trainer, you'll never go into a fight 100%.

It's time these companies realize that we're paying $60+ for a game. If I want to start my baseball, basketball, hockey or boxing career as a 99OV athlete then let me!!!

Al Kaline, Lebron James, Sidney Crosby all began careers as 18-year-old stars. They never played a minute in the minors. Why can't we do that too?

Seriously, the entire concept of starting as a crappy boxer and slowly building yourself up is incredibly outdated.
The technology has never been better. It's time the producers and engineers used some creativity and utilize their resources instead of relying on 30-year-old concepts that have run their course.
I love great graphics. But if that's all today's consoles can provide there's something wrong with the industry as a whole.

I agree, but I think it should be completely random. How often does a Lebron James come around?
It should be random. the 1st career it might be a lightning fast guy with decent power but a terrible chin. This would force you into actually having to have a gameplan, not just for your fights, but your whole career.
Do I dodge the boxer with power because i want to climb the ranks?

Diets should without a doubt be in the game. but take it out of your hands and into your trainer/nutritionists hands. The better his rating the better results you'll get out of your workouts.

Physical attributes should be pretty much locked in from the beginning, except stamina, endurance, heart.

If you're young certain attributes can certainly increase as you grow into your body. Such as Chin(if you work out your neck enough). Power can be increased, but that comes with an increase in weight, so you'd be forced to move up a weight class. Speed is pretty much locked in from the start. Unless you workout to improve your power, move up a weight class, but you run the risk of losing speed.

EA got it right with the Cut, Swelling attributes. They start at 100 and go down the more you're injured and cut.

Basically trainers and cornermen are absolutely mandatory.
There should also be a morale rating for each boxer similar to the composure for pitchers and football players in NCAA.
Each boxer should have a potential rating. Also a personality ala 2k11(gym rat, troubled, unfocused, focused etc.).

That way you could have Tyson type with A+ potential but he has a unfocused personality and it would require extensive training and top notch trainers to make him reach his full potential. Also his morale could drop from over training and he'd decide to find new management and trainers(if there was a manager mode).

Seriously from 1-100 American boxing career modes have reached a peak of 45 back in 1991 with Real Deal Boxing on Genesis. At least in that game the top 3 had realistic records.

[Complex]

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Power and Speed don't necessarily mean success in the ring. So being rated high doesn't mean greatness if you cant punch, move lean etc.

Now I do like the underlying ratings they have like endurance, stamina. These are things that a boxer can improve on.

I still an hoping for more punching animations. All the guys still punch alike to me.

[Vast]

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True. And there should be several speed ratings independent of each other.

For example, footspeed should have it's own rating. You have guys with fast hand speed but aren't exactly the quickest on their feet and vice versa.

Sway speed governs the speed of your torso movements.