Congratulations EA! This game is now actually WORSE Post-Patch

[boxtrev]

This morning I had written this really lengthy post analyzing and critiquing FNC post-patch. My overall impression after yesterday's patch was mixed. At first, it seemed like the best thing since sliced bread, but after a few more matches I realized that not all was well under the hood. Now, after the tuner was dropped today, I can definitely say that this game is horrible, basically broken now. While Fight Night Champion had its problems before the patch, it is now virtually unplayable post-patch, evidenced by the fact that before the patch there was three times as many players online. Word gets around quick when a game sucks.

I respect what EA was trying to do on paper with the patch, but here are my biggest gripes:

-EA just gave more advantage to the 80 inch reach guys. It is impossible to outbox them and win a decision now. Due to decreased punch accuracy to the head, I cannot land a single shot on the guys with 80 inch reach as long as they just back up.
-Counters are null and void against these giants.
-When I started to win my first decision online, the game inexplicably froze and crashed.
-EA Trax are now totally screwed up.
-One punch KOs have now been totally eliminated. I am not talking about one punch flash knockdowns. I am talking abotu one punch KOs. Thus, if you are down on points, you might as well disconnect or DQ yourself because you know what the result is going to be. So much for, "One punch can change the fight."

I am a sim boxer to the core. But this is not sim. For example, a guy beat me who had a longer reach by literally running the whole round. Literally. Running. He threw one jab to the body. That was it. Then he ran the whole round. And he won the round. What?

And for those who say the body spam and haymaker spam have been eliminated, rest assured that they are alive and well. A guy beat me by throwing nothing but power shots and then backing away with his 80 inch reach the rest of the fight.

I know how to beat a fighter with longer reach as a boxer IRL, but since EA screwed up boxer movement for a third year in a row, there is no way to cut off the ring or get inside.

In addition to those complaints, every fight now goes to the cards. I fought fifteen fights in a row and they all went to a decision! Now I understand that before the patch most fights were ending in knockouts. But now EA has went in the complete opposite direction. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water!

In short, I am probably done as far as the online mode in Fight Night Champion is concerned. Hopefully, there is a way to remove the patch if I want my old game back for offline play. I feel cheated and I am sure I am not alone.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Congratulations EA! This game is now actually WORSE Post-Patch

This morning I had written this really lengthy post analyzing and critiquing FNC post-patch. My overall impression after yesterday's patch was mixed. At first, it seemed like the best thing since sliced bread, but after a few more matches I realized that not all was well under the hood. Now, after the tuner was dropped today, I can definitely say that this game is horrible, basically broken now. While Fight Night Champion had its problems before the patch, it is now virtually unplayable post-patch, evidenced by the fact that before the patch there was three times as many players online. Word gets around quick when a game sucks.

I respect what EA was trying to do on paper with the patch, but here are my biggest gripes:

-EA just gave more advantage to the 80 inch reach guys. It is impossible to outbox them and win a decision now. Due to decreased punch accuracy to the head, I cannot land a single shot on the guys with 80 inch reach as long as they just back up.
-Counters are null and void against these giants.
-When I started to win my first decision online, the game inexplicably froze and crashed.
-EA Trax are now totally screwed up.
-One punch KOs have now been totally eliminated. I am not talking about one punch flash knockdowns. I am talking abotu one punch KOs. Thus, if you are down on points, you might as well disconnect or DQ yourself because you know what the result is going to be. So much for, "One punch can change the fight."

I am a sim boxer to the core. But this is not sim. For example, a guy beat me who had a longer reach by literally running the whole round. Literally. Running. He threw one jab to the body. That was it. Then he ran the whole round. And he won the round. What?

And for those who say the body spam and haymaker spam have been eliminated, rest assured that they are alive and well. A guy beat me by throwing nothing but power shots and then backing away with his 80 inch reach the rest of the fight.

I know how to beat a fighter with longer reach as a boxer IRL, but since EA screwed up boxer movement for a third year in a row, there is no way to cut off the ring or get inside.

In addition to those complaints, every fight now goes to the cards. I fought fifteen fights in a row and they all went to a decision! Now I understand that before the patch most fights were ending in knockouts. But now EA has went in the complete opposite direction. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water!

In short, I am probably done as far as the online mode in Fight Night Champion is concerned. Hopefully, there is a way to remove the patch if I want my old game back for offline play. I feel cheated and I am sure I am not alone.

Are you really mad because you got cheesed by random people online? The game is not broken. Find a better crowd to play with. You honestly just sound like your mad you lost. A 'sim' boxer mad because their are no more flash knockouts and more fights going to the cards? C'mon son... like a smart man's signature once said 'Everybody wants sim until it cuts into their cheese'

[NYG_Meth]

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Are you really mad because you got cheesed by random people online? The game is not broken. Find a better crowd to play with. You honestly just sound like your mad you lost. A 'sim' boxer mad because their are no more flash knockouts and more fights going to the cards? C'mon son... like a smart man's signature once said 'Everybody wants sim until it cuts into their cheese'

lol cosign, brutha

[boxtrev]

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You guys don't know what you are talking about. Just because everyone on OS so far has been singing the praises of the patch doesn't make it so. I am a sim boxer and a boxer IRL. I have watched boxing longer than most people on this board have been alive. Having said that, I don't mind losing in a sim boxing match. What I do mind is when EA radically changes their game overnight and, in an effort to make punch accuracy more realistic (a choice I like btw), end up eliminating the inside fighting game. Thus, if you are fighting a taller fighter, you are screwed. This is because the best punches for an inside fighter (hooks and uppercuts) do not land!

And I, like you, love to see more decision fights. However, every fight should not go to the cards like is the case now. Additionally, the one punch KO was one of the best parts of this game when it came out. EA had finally captured the "Theater of the Unexpected" aspect of boxing. Was it perfect? No. But it was certainly better than it is now.

Being a sim boxing fan does not mean you want to see every fight turn into a patty cake and run contest. Real boxing involves more than tapping your opponent and then running around to win a decision. What people fail to realize on here is people are exploiting the post-patch game just as much as the pre-patch game but in the opposite direction.

Oh and tell Nonito Donaire, Sergio Martinez, and Antonio Tarver that one punch KOs is not sim.

[boxtrev]

Re: Congratulations EA! This game is now actually WORSE Post-Patch

Are you really mad because you got cheesed by random people online? The game is not broken. Find a better crowd to play with. You honestly just sound like your mad you lost. A 'sim' boxer mad because their are no more flash knockouts and more fights going to the cards? C'mon son... like a smart man's signature once said 'Everybody wants sim until it cuts into their cheese'

And it's "you're" when you are writing the contraction for "you are."

[lions67]

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i just finished playing two matches ans i knocked them both out!
one in the 5th, the other in the 3rd.
body spamming is no more. you try it and see, you throw four or five in a row, you can barely move your arms.
this game is not broken, its FIXED!

[DurtySoufReppin]

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i just finished playing two matches ans i knocked them both out!
one in the 5th, the other in the 3rd.
body spamming is no more. you try it and see, you throw four or five in a row, you can barely move your arms.
this game is not broken, its FIXED!

I actually agree with the OP somewhat

I played against Ali with Tyson & it was impossible to beat him... He jabbed me outside

then..when I tried to cut off the ring.. he just blocked out of it and continued to jab me once he was free....

I had no response for this... It's really frustrating

I think I'm just gonna stick to offline

another match I fought against Frost and I was Ali.. i attacked the body the whole match...but I could not knock him at all... I jabbed and jabbed and jabbed...I also through power punches to the body because he leaned his head back the whole match..


He was way more tired than me but I couldn't knock him out..not only that..but he was still able to spam the jab while he was tired..so he was still winning the rounds smfh

[Build_Destroy]

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Initially i was happy with patch after a few fights but i must say i agree the game is worse...heres some observations and a couple of OWC stories after about 20 fights...havent seen 1 cut or any swelling in 20 fights...I have KOd a couple of peeps but have not seen any 1 punch KOs or even a flash knockdown...body jab spam is still alive..even when boxers are exhausted punches still come out at regular speed....accurracy and power with exhausted boxers?

early round stood toe to toe with an opponent in the middle of the ring...i swear must of thrown 50 punches and him the same and we both probably landed a total of 5 each...it was rediculous...punches would not connect...same fight at start of 10th round his boxer was exhausted and could barely move..my boxer was at roughly 50 percent....for the life of me i couldnt hit this guy with a punch...he backed up the whole round trying to escape the KO and would throw a random jab out and it would connect...lost fight by decision because he won 10th round

another fight same scenario 10th round...this time im way up on scorecard...opponents boxer is exhausted i have decent stamina left....earlier round i floored him and quickly do the same in 10th...he manages to get back up second time....ok...i move in for killl....he can barely backpeddle and this lightning hook connects....down i go....i get back up and now im mad determined to finish him off...boom a second knockdown by this exhausted barely moving boxer with the lightning power punches....

[SteelerSpartan]

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Initially i was happy with patch after a few fights but i must say i agree the game is worse...heres some observations and a couple of OWC stories after about 20 fights...havent seen 1 cut or any swelling in 20 fights...I have KOd a couple of peeps but have not seen any 1 punch KOs or even a flash knockdown...body jab spam is still alive..even when boxers are exhausted punches still come out at regular speed....accurracy and power with exhausted boxers?

early round stood toe to toe with an opponent in the middle of the ring...i swear must of thrown 50 punches and him the same and we both probably landed a total of 5 each...it was rediculous...punches would not connect...same fight at start of 10th round his boxer was exhausted and could barely move..my boxer was at roughly 50 percent....for the life of me i couldnt hit this guy with a punch...he backed up the whole round trying to escape the KO and would throw a random jab out and it would connect...lost fight by decision because he won 10th round

another fight same scenario 10th round...this time im way up on scorecard...opponents boxer is exhausted i have decent stamina left....earlier round i floored him and quickly do the same in 10th...he manages to get back up second time....ok...i move in for killl....he can barely backpeddle and this lightning hook connects....down i go....i get back up and now im mad determined to finish him off...boom a second knockdown by this exhausted barely moving boxer with the lightning power punches....

Dude How many punches per round were you throwing??? anymore then 50 and Id expect to see some big stamina drain over the course of the fight

You just can't take any ol fighter and fight like Pac and Cal-Slappy in this game now......

And Im willing to bet you got knocked down because your short term stamina was real low from your eagerness to get him out of there....when its low, you become way more susceptible to flash knockdowns/Critical stuns

Yes thats right, that means you have to be more careful about when and how you flurry......***gasp*** more thinking in a boxing game....E*pic Fail

[randombrother]

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Are you really mad because you got cheesed by random people online? The game is not broken. Find a better crowd to play with. You honestly just sound like your mad you lost. A 'sim' boxer mad because their are no more flash knockouts and more fights going to the cards? C'mon son... like a smart man's signature once said 'Everybody wants sim until it cuts into their cheese'

ROTFLMAO when I read this. I've made it to "smart man" status. LOL
The OP is wrong. Like I posted in another thread. A friend and I were goofing around and he one punch KO'ed me. But I should clarify this though, he did daze me and THEN KO'ed me and they wouldn't let me try to get up. Not the same as a cold one punch KO but close enough I would say. I had no option to get up, fight was over

I actually agree with the OP somewhat

I played against Ali with Tyson & it was impossible to beat him... He jabbed me outside

then..when I tried to cut off the ring.. he just blocked out of it and continued to jab me once he was free....

I had no response for this... It's really frustrating

I think I'm just gonna stick to offline

another match I fought against Frost and I was Ali.. i attacked the body the whole match...but I could not knock him at all... I jabbed and jabbed and jabbed...I also through power punches to the body because he leaned his head back the whole match..


He was way more tired than me but I couldn't knock him out..not only that..but he was still able to spam the jab while he was tired..so he was still winning the rounds smfh

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ball-jerk.html

Man I had a boxer who wouldn't even dream he was Ali and I was able to win against some doofus who quick switched on me to Frost and started the fight. Read the above post, my dude was an 88. Sometimes you can't be looking to knock a guy out. Some fights you have to just try to win and IF you get the knock out then thats gravy. If I had Ali in that fight I would have annihilated that dude, just not right away and not my FIRST priority. I'd let it come in the flow of the fight, as it WOULD have came. But not with that 88 guy, lol.

I have a guy who's 5'11" with a 72" reach and I've been fighting nothing but 80+ inch reach guys. One thing I've found out, at least with MY boxer (OWC) is when you got those tall guys who try to steal rounds they usually drain themselves trying to steal those shots and run. I've found out I can run right at them with the jab leading and keep snapping it out there. I even knocked one guy out with about 3 jabs to the head and a right combo next thing you know dude is dazed and hits the canvas. Once you get these guys feeling they've lost a round or two they get careless and will come at you. Don't try to much for counters as try to beat them to the punch on jabs while they're coming at you.

The online whores have been switching up their strategies as the game advances and seem to be having a rough time if you know what you're doing. I believe there's a method to win every fight no matter how the opponents match up... to a point that is. I mean if some 72 rated weakling gets in the ring with Ali that guy , as in real life, wouldn't stand much of a chance.



To you guys I feel your pain. For the first round , round and a half I too am sitting there saying "Why can't these jerks just fight with a little sense of pride and reality". I mean how many boxers you see throw a few body shots and then run clear across the ring. If the game let them they'd run outside the ring , down the isle and back into the shower and come back and do it all again. But you just have to settle yourself, look for a weakness on their part, something their doing or a tell and think on your boxer's strength and figure out a solution. A problem is nothing but a solution in disguise.

Don't get me wrong, some bouts are going to be REAL tough and some are going to be a walk in the park. But just find that one or two things your opponent seems to have no answer for and just feed it to him and look for no more , if more opens up then take it if you can but when you have these one trick ponies give'm two tricks and a biscuit and keep it moving.

EDIT: I know I keep adding to this post but one last thing. The OP is right in one aspect. The more these cornballs and their one move Hadoken moves die the less people are getting on. I've ALWAYS been a staunch believer that all sports games need to come with a "sim" lobby and a "arcade/cheeseball" lobby. Let them play the game the way the want and let us play it the way we want. And if they get tired maybe they'll come on down to the way the game is supposed to be played and learn something and stay. We call always go to the arcade lobby and work them over as their arsenal of one move runs out.

[JerzeyReign]

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You guys don't know what you are talking about. Just because everyone on OS so far has been singing the praises of the patch doesn't make it so. I am a sim boxer and a boxer IRL. I have watched boxing longer than most people on this board have been alive. Having said that, I don't mind losing in a sim boxing match. What I do mind is when EA radically changes their game overnight and, in an effort to make punch accuracy more realistic (a choice I like btw), end up eliminating the inside fighting game. Thus, if you are fighting a taller fighter, you are screwed. This is because the best punches for an inside fighter (hooks and uppercuts) do not land!

And I, like you, love to see more decision fights. However, every fight should not go to the cards like is the case now. Additionally, the one punch KO was one of the best parts of this game when it came out. EA had finally captured the "Theater of the Unexpected" aspect of boxing. Was it perfect? No. But it was certainly better than it is now.

Being a sim boxing fan does not mean you want to see every fight turn into a patty cake and run contest. Real boxing involves more than tapping your opponent and then running around to win a decision. What people fail to realize on here is people are exploiting the post-patch game just as much as the pre-patch game but in the opposite direction.

Oh and tell Nonito Donaire, Sergio Martinez, and Antonio Tarver that one punch KOs is not sim.

Great to know you're over 26 (my age) complaining about a boxing video game. Keeps me feeling young knowing their are 'old' people still playing video games Also great to know that your an English major.What impresses me even more is that your complaining about someone with a longer reach boxing on the outside and winning. Maybe you mean something else but all I see is that someone with reach boxed you from the outside and now your frustrated. Your complaint is more about the footwork aspect rather than the patch. Amazingly, when you were just the belt holder their were no complaints about this.

I don't know if you box in real life, I have some experience, but majority of boxing fans in general know the guy with the longer reach has an advantage. Now footwork should be looked at but its not impossible to get on the inside in FNC. If you know the jab or whatever 'spamming' punch is coming just slip it and counter. Only way to keep a man from running is to take away his legs. Maybe the FNC devs should have movement effect the stamina as well.

But at the end of the day your complaining, in my opinion, about footwork and not the patch. 'Sim' boxing guys are happy with the patch and 'freestyle' guys are upset. The world continues to spin either way

[Build_Destroy]

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Dude How many punches per round were you throwing??? anymore then 50 and Id expect to see some big stamina drain over the course of the fight

You just can't take any ol fighter and fight like Pac and Cal-Slappy in this game now......

And Im willing to bet you got knocked down because your short term stamina was real low from your eagerness to get him out of there....when its low, you become way more susceptible to flash knockdowns/Critical stuns

Yes thats right, that means you have to be more careful about when and how you flurry......***gasp*** more thinking in a boxing game....E*pic Fail

Dude like i said...it was an early round and we stood toe to toe...i said we threw about 50...nowhere did i say 150...and wrong again thinking my stamina was low...i mean i managed to get to 10th with 50percent stamina so that should give you a hint on how i was boxing...sometimes ***gasp*** replying requires thinking....

[kbmnm247]

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I agree with the OP and I agree with the board. It is a mix.

I've encountered two fighters with the huge reach and it was "nearly" impossible to beat them with my OWC character. Maybe it would be different in a fight now mode with similar rated boxers but I was an 83 ovr and the two guys I'm talking about were in the 85-90 range with 80 inch reach. I don't even fight the long reach anymore because I'm fairly certain I can't win against them. My guy has 72" reach. When I get inside, I throw to the body and my hooks miss. When I try to side step and throw I weave towards him. When I try to throw straights, it throws hooks that miss to the head. Controls are still not 100% correct (at least as far as I'm concerned, and I've never had a problem with inputs in any other game in my gaming history) as they just do things sometimes that you don't even intend to. Soon you will encounter this too I'm sure and maybe someone can let me know how they dealt with it. The problem for me isn't that they fight as an outside fighter, it's actually the opposite, they fight inside with me and for some reason I am at a disadvantage with shorter arms on the inside against these 80" guys.

But other than those huge reach people I love the patch. Everything is tuned to my liking and very realistic. Accuracy %, stamina, speed, combos, etc. It's much better than it was before but something is up with the huge reach players.

[fistofrage]

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The game is definitely different.

I would agree that they HAVE eliminated 1 punch KO's. Someone needs to ask EA for a definitive answer on this.

I fought 8 fights last night and went 6-2 with 4 KO's. It definitely takes more time now. 1 of those KO's came in the 10th when I was down on points.

Stamina is working now. Even high rated guys if they try to throw 100+ punches a round are dead going into the 7th.

I'm able to pop the jab and still land at about 50%.

Body spam jabbers have the upperhand if you let them do it. To beat them, go up to them and land 2 jabs and then move back until they come to you.

Damage has also been toned way down in a bad way.

Overall, I think the game may be slightly worse after the patch and tuner.

[Hova57]

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I like the patch and tuner, though I don't play online so I don't know what kinda of issues going on out there. but in my experience with offline it seems great. I think the cuts offline can be fixed with sliders. So what I'm seeing is damage and 1pko needs adjusted and arm stamina for body punches need adjusted. am I correct in this.