Scoring System Quiz

**oneamongthefence** · 04-12-2011, 04:00 AM

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Woulda been better had you used spoiler tags for the answers... but yes percentage counts a whole lot more than punches landed.

**fistofrage** · 04-12-2011, 08:13 AM

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Not in this game, recently I fought a guy, I landed 32/42 for 76%, he landed 13/39. He just stood there in a mummy stance so I would pop in and out circle him, etc. He won the round and pretty much every other round.

I guess because I was forcing the action, throwing first and had the upper hand in ring generalship, I lost. I think its because 1 counter punch = 30 landed punches in EA's books. Its the only possible way because I had to throw first because the bafoon wouldn't move, anything he landed was considered a counter.

Nice job EA.

**JerzeyReign** · 04-12-2011, 08:40 AM

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You know... I'm starting to see the flaw you guys see. I had a sparring match for my league last night and every round was given to the other fighter. He had a 7 inch reach on me so reach was a problem but I had plenty of uppercuts coming in cleanly and protected myself from any big shots but yet he was still winning.

My issue is that instead of looking at the jab as a 'setup' punch in most cases, certainly in the my sparring bout last night, its used as a scoring punch. Instead of 'Touch, touch, touch... make 'em feel it' they're scoring the jab as 'Make 'em feel it, make 'em feel it, make 'em feel it' when in reality I'm not meaning for it to 'be hard'. Boxing guys know what I'm trying to explain. Not every jab is thrown to even make contact with somebodies face. Its just meant to see how they will react in a sense.

BTW, I gave on your quiz because I can't help but to continue reading instead of stopping to read. Use spoilers next time please.

**DurtySoufReppin** · 04-12-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by SalutationsNJ

You know... I'm starting to see the flaw you guys see. I had a sparring match for my league last night and every round was given to the other fighter. He had a 7 inch reach on me so reach was a problem but I had plenty of uppercuts coming in cleanly and protected myself from any big shots but yet he was still winning.

My issue is that instead of looking at the jab as a 'setup' punch in most cases, certainly in the my sparring bout last night, its used as a scoring punch. Instead of 'Touch, touch, touch... make 'em feel it' they're scoring the jab as 'Make 'em feel it, make 'em feel it, make 'em feel it' when in reality I'm not meaning for it to 'be hard'. Boxing guys know what I'm trying to explain. Not every jab is thrown to even make contact with somebodies face. Its just meant to see how they will react in a sense.

BTW, I gave on your quiz because I can't help but to continue reading instead of stopping to read. Use spoilers next time please.

I completely understand what you're saying and I agree with everything you said

**boxtrev** · 04-12-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

Not in this game, recently I fought a guy, I landed 32/42 for 76%, he landed 13/39. He just stood there in a mummy stance so I would pop in and out circle him, etc. He won the round and pretty much every other round.

I guess because I was forcing the action, throwing first and had the upper hand in ring generalship, I lost. I think its because 1 counter punch = 30 landed punches in EA's books. Its the only possible way because I had to throw first because the bafoon wouldn't move, anything he landed was considered a counter.

Nice job EA.

This. But what the OP says is also true. Sometimes I draw the fights like FistofRage mentions where the rounds are awarded to the guy who just stands there and does even land as many punches as I am nor even does he come anywhere close to my connect percentage. More often than not, I get the kind of rounds like the OP alluded to where I land 32/60 and my opponent lands 12/20 and he wins the round.

The bottom line is I think that EA gives way too much credit to the counter punch, the power punch, and connect percentage when it comes to scoring a round. I'm not saying that who wins a round should just come down to who lands more punches (that is an error in the opposite direction). But if I land 15-20 more punches than my opponent I should win the round nine times out of ten (unless I was stunned near the end of the round and my legs are like jello, even the judges should be split on who won the round, some awarding the volume puncher, some awarding the effective puncher).

It's kind of ironic because when it comes to flash KOs, EA does not give nearly enough weight to the counter punch (post-patch and tuner). But as far as the scoring is concerned, the OP is right. If I land the same number of punches than you but one more counter, then I win the round automatically. Obviously, EA is biased in the direction of counter punching (I love counter punching, btw). As far as power punching is concerned, EA should get rid of the punch modifier altogether. It is slow and arcadish. I know EA claimed to have removed the haymaker from FNC but for all intensive purposes it is still there. "If it looks like a duck..." How lame is it to see in the punch stats at the end of the fight that your fighter threw 0 power punches when you threw uppercuts, right hands, and hooks all night long. Would someone please have the development team sit down and watch a boxing match? Don't they know that anything besides a jab (hook, cross, upper cut) is scored as a power punch? A little boxing 101: what determines a power punch is not how much you power up on it like some Street Fighter character, but if the type of punch is anything other than your table setter, the jab.

Another thing is that there should be more discrepancy between the judges and Teddy Atlas in general. How many times do you watch a fight and you see that the commentator has the exact same score as all three judges? How often do you see all three judges have the same scorecard? It happens but it is rare.

Also, throw out the 10-10 rounds or at least scale them back significantly. Most professional judges will not score a round 10-10 but will assign a winner.

**celticboy25** · 04-12-2011, 01:40 PM

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the thing of it is: in real boxing, every judge values things differently. some judges are going to give the round to the fighter who lands more punches, others are going to score for the fighter who lands the "bigger" punches, and some care more about the fighter who controls the pace of the fight, etc....
i've seen a lot of odd decisions in this game which are contrary to what logic would dictate, but then the same is true in real boxing. scoring a fight is definitely not an exact science (though if there were a universal sanctioning body that controlled the whole sport it could be).
i think the saying, "you never want to leave it in the judges' hands," is very true. the only sure bet is stopping your opponent. anything else leaves you vulnerable to getting robbed

**Build_Destroy** · 04-12-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by celticboy25

the thing of it is: in real boxing, every judge values things differently. some judges are going to give the round to the fighter who lands more punches, others are going to score for the fighter who lands the "bigger" punches, and some care more about the fighter who controls the pace of the fight, etc....
i've seen a lot of odd decisions in this game which are contrary to what logic would dictate, but then the same is true in real boxing. scoring a fight is definitely not an exact science (though if there were a universal sanctioning body that controlled the whole sport it could be).
i think the saying, "you never want to leave it in the judges' hands," is very true. the only sure bet is stopping your opponent. anything else leaves you vulnerable to getting robbed

While what you say is true i find it shameful that a boxer can stand in the middle of the ring with his guard up and continue to take 3 out of 4 punches while only throwing 1 punch at a time and win just because the 1 punch he throws has a higher landing percentage and\or that 1 punch is either a counter or power punch.....shameful

**JerzeyReign** · 04-13-2011, 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by boxtrev

It's kind of ironic because when it comes to flash KOs, EA does not give nearly enough weight to the counter punch (post-patch and tuner). But as far as the scoring is concerned, the OP is right. If I land the same number of punches than you but one more counter, then I win the round automatically. Obviously, EA is biased in the direction of counter punching (I love counter punching, btw). As far as power punching is concerned, EA should get rid of the punch modifier altogether. It is slow and arcadish. I know EA claimed to have removed the haymaker from FNC but for all intensive purposes it is still there. "If it looks like a duck..." How lame is it to see in the punch stats at the end of the fight that your fighter threw 0 power punches when you threw uppercuts, right hands, and hooks all night long. Would someone please have the development team sit down and watch a boxing match? Don't they know that anything besides a jab (hook, cross, upper cut) is scored as a power punch? A little boxing 101: what determines a power punch is not how much you power up on it like some Street Fighter character, but if the type of punch is anything other than your table setter, the jab.

Another thing is that there should be more discrepancy between the judges and Teddy Atlas in general. How many times do you watch a fight and you see that the commentator has the exact same score as all three judges? How often do you see all three judges have the same scorecard? It happens but it is rare.

Yeah, I agree. Get rid of that power punch BS. Its really stupid and if someone uses it more often and connects with one its scored way higher than a normal power punch (real life power punch).

And they need to borrow a tip from MLB the Show and allow judges to have 'personalities' and different opinions. I don't know but maybe even go as far as giving them names or countries.

**boxtrev** · 04-13-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Build_Destroy

While what you say is true i find it shameful that a boxer can stand in the middle of the ring with his guard up and continue to take 3 out of 4 punches while only throwing 1 punch at a time and win just because the 1 punch he throws has a higher landing percentage and\or that 1 punch is either a counter or power punch.....shameful

What he said.

**boxtrev** · 04-13-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by SalutationsNJ

Yeah, I agree. Get rid of that power punch BS. Its really stupid and if someone uses it more often and connects with one its scored way higher than a normal power punch (real life power punch).

And they need to borrow a tip from MLB the Show and allow judges to have 'personalities' and different opinions. I don't know but maybe even go as far as giving them names or countries.

This as well.

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