Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Another reason I'm glad Floyd called out Merchant is the uncalled for bias in every HBO fight from him and Lampley.

Lampley was going nuts when Ortiz was throwing haymakers and missing and I'm sitting there like- what fight are you watching?

Ortiz didn't land a thing and Lampley was having an orgasm on the mic.

You could just see the line of questioning coming from Merchant. Long overdue since Floyd called him out. I think he's had run-ins before in the ring with James Toney too.

I saw that too. He even said "apparently Cortez thought Ortiz aggression was a headbutt and he's taking a point." He completely missed the Ortiz headbutt because he was to excited calling Ortiz missing haymakers.

[RockinDaMike]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

May 5th 2012.....its gonna happen.

[fistofrage]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

May 5th 2012.....its gonna happen.

What Floyd's rematch with Ortiz?

[SECElit3]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Boxing has gotten to the point it is an abolute joke. I put it right there with professional wrestling.... aka worthless!

[inkcil]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

So, you've got no problem with the intentional headbutt from Ortiz?

Floyd should get a lifetime ban for what exactly? The ref had restarted the fight when Floyd hit him.

Sent from RedskinNation.

I'm having trouble looking at the replays and seeing at what point exactly the ref restarted the fight.

Also, what ref restarts a fight and looks the other way? Why isn't he watching the fight he restarted? He's the ref for crying out loud.

And why did Ortiz not know the fight was resumed? Or did he think it was resumed and decided to just keep his guard down and allow FMM to knock him out?

Regarding the knockdown, my issue isn't with either of the fighters as much as it is with the ref.

Something went wrong. The question is, who is to blame. It LOOKS and SOUNDS (as best as I can tell) like the ref...

[fistofrage]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

I'm having trouble looking at the replays and seeing at what point exactly the ref restarted the fight.

Also, what ref restarts a fight and looks the other way? Why isn't he watching the fight he restarted? He's the ref for crying out loud.

And why did Ortiz not know the fight was resumed? Or did he think it was resumed and decided to just keep his guard down and allow FMM to knock him out?

Regarding the knockdown, my issue isn't with either of the fighters as much as it is with the ref.

Something went wrong. The question is, who is to blame. It LOOKS and SOUNDS (as best as I can tell) like the ref...

I'm in the same boat. There were 20 people around me at the Theatre, mainly Floyd fans and we weren't sure the fight had been re-started. It looked to me like Cortez was talking to the official time keeper and had not yet started the fight.

Like I said before, I am indifferent about the outcome. Protect yourself at all times. And its not suprising that Floyd or anyone for that matter would retaliate with a sucker punch if given the opportunity.

But until I see the replay next weekend, I have to go by what I saw and I DID NOT see the fight resume. And if it did, why was Cortez looking away?

[inkcil]

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Here's my take on the fight.....

I am no Floyd fan, but I really don't care that he basically sucker punched Ortiz after being head butted.

Floyd has nice teeth and Ortiz looked like he wanted to knock them out with his head. I would have cold cocked Ortiz too.

I was watching the fight which was in a Theatre in Grand Rapids. We always come out in droves for Floyd fights and the place goes nuts when he says he hails from Grand Rapids, Michigan. There were quite a few Ortiz fans or Floyd Haters in the crowd. Its awesome to watch the fights in full HD on a 100 foot screen.

Anyway, most people in there had been drinking during the day, myself included, but none of us really knew that the fight had started again. What was Cortez doing? I guess he said fight, but it was odd that he wouldn't be paying attention.

And what happened to Ortiz? When Floyd suckered him it seemed to have the same effect as a hit of Xtacy. He's all smiles, giggling like a school girl.

Ortiz doesn't have the heart or killer instinct to be a contender again. All he was concerned about was hugging and kissing Floyd.

I guess I don't understand how you could have enough rage built up to launch a headbutt like that and then 2 seconds later want to make out and hug Floyd.

Something is loopy in Ortiz's head. Hopefully he gets it sorted out, but I doubt he'll be a serious contender again.

Paid $17 to watch it in the theatre. Thought the undercards were very entertaining. The PPV as a whole was well worth the price.

Good take...I definitely don't get ortiz' demeanor. Lot of smiling. Even go back and watch the weigh-in where FMM had to coach him into their "confrontation" and when FMM has his hand on Ortiz neck, Ortiz is kinda smiling.

Ortiz was just happy to be invited into the same ring with FMM and even after getting sucka-punched he is just oozing with gratitute for being given the opportunity at a multi-million dollar pay day.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

What Floyd's rematch with Ortiz?

Nah. The fight will happen in May if Manny beats Marquez. There is absolutely NO ONE left for them to fight. Well maybe a Cotto/Floyd fight if he beats Maragrito but I doubt Bob Arum would do that deal with Floyd if Floyd balks at fighting Pac

[Jackdog]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

I'm in the same boat. There were 20 people around me at the Theatre, mainly Floyd fans and we weren't sure the fight had been re-started. It looked to me like Cortez was talking to the official time keeper and had not yet started the fight.

Like I said before, I am indifferent about the outcome. Protect yourself at all times. And its not suprising that Floyd or anyone for that matter would retaliate with a sucker punch if given the opportunity.

But until I see the replay next weekend, I have to go by what I saw and I DID NOT see the fight resume. And if it did, why was Cortez looking away?

http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/1315-Mayweather-vs-Ortiz-Another-Referee-Blunder

[Bumi]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

“Joe pointed to the timekeeper and said, ‘Time in,’ ” Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said after Ortiz was counted out at 2:59 of the round to surrender his WBC welterweight title to Mayweather. “At that point, the fight is back on and they’re free to punch each other. Joe had them separated, but Victor went to hug him four separate times. But the referee said, ‘Time in,’ and Floyd Mayweather threw a perfectly legal punch. I have no idea why Victor kept trying to hug him or embrace him. I guess he was feeling guilty because of the head butt, but hey, you’re in a fight. Fight and then feel guilty later.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/o...ome&position=2

[100% Texan]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

I'm having trouble looking at the replays and seeing at what point exactly the ref restarted the fight.

Also, what ref restarts a fight and looks the other way? Why isn't he watching the fight he restarted? He's the ref for crying out loud.

And why did Ortiz not know the fight was resumed? Or did he think it was resumed and decided to just keep his guard down and allow FMM to knock him out?

Regarding the knockdown, my issue isn't with either of the fighters as much as it is with the ref.

Something went wrong. The question is, who is to blame. It LOOKS and SOUNDS (as best as I can tell) like the ref...

cortz clearly said "let's go" and signaled for them to fight.

he looked at the time keeper to make sure the clock was running.

there was videos out there that showed ortez saying "let's go" but they keep getting taken down on youtube.

[fistofrage]

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http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/1...eferee-Blunder

I agree with everything they said there, except Floyd didn't have is hands up as I recall, he had them down by his side, almost giving the impression like they were going to hug some more.

I wouldn't be suprised if Ortiz didn't here Cortez say "lets go" if he said it at all. Afterall, why would a ref who just called "time in" be standing there with his mouth hanging open staring off into space like he just woke up from a Wisdom Tooth Extraction.

In fact, I am positive that Ortiz din't hear him because he was looking to the ref after the sucker punch and Cortez was still standing there with his tongue hanging out. In fact the THWACK from the sucker punch startled Cortez, he looked confused for a second, Floyd hit Ortiz again and went down.....And then Cortez jumps into action.

Floyd wins this fight without the sucker punch, but Cortez's actions need to come under review. I think he needs to be sent to the glue factory.

[Bumi]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

boxing is in the toilet plain and simple.

Floyd just made somewhere around 50 million, and the world is buzzing over this fight. Clearly, it's "dead".

Fights like this don't help

When was the last time mainstream media covered boxing as intently as they do and have since Floyd has been the face of boxing? I'll wait.

endings like this certainly dont help, and Floyd Money Mayweather doesnt help.

Whatever, kill the tears. The dude single handedly makes boxing relevant.

Hes a great boxer who could give a damn about his legacy,

As of late, all he's talked about is cementing his legacy and riding off into the sunset.

the sport of boxing or professionalism.

Please stop. You're just whining at this point.

The only one on his level is Manny and he wont fight him.

Correction, Manny wont fight him.

Was it within the rules what he did? yes but overcome the other fighters tactics and beat him up cleanly.

That's exactly what he did.

Who the hell wants to see an ending like that when they've paid hard earned money to watch the fight.

Me. The millions of people still talking about this fight, etc.

Thank God I didn't pay for this fight, boxing really is dead and this is why.

Boxing is alive and well. It's currently at the highest point it's been at in some time.

Get back to me when another combat sport, MMA or otherwise, has the world buzzing the same way in which Floyd has the world buzzing right now.

[Bumi]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

I agree with everything they said there, except Floyd didn't have is hands up as I recall, he had them down by his side, almost giving the impression like they were going to hug some more.

I wouldn't be suprised if Ortiz didn't here Cortez say "lets go" if he said it at all. Afterall, why would a ref who just called "time in" be standing there with his mouth hanging open staring off into space like he just woke up from a Wisdom Tooth Extraction.

In fact, I am positive that Ortiz din't hear him because he was looking to the ref after the sucker punch and Cortez was still standing there with his tongue hanging out. In fact the THWACK from the sucker punch startled Cortez, he looked confused for a second, Floyd hit Ortiz again and went down.....And then Cortez jumps into action.

Floyd wins this fight without the sucker punch, but Cortez's actions need to come under review. I think he needs to be sent to the glue factory.

Floyd most certainly did have his hands up. They were in a ready position once Ortiz hugged him for the third time. After the fourth attempt, Floyd began fighting.

[NYG_Meth]

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You've clearly proven everyone wrong, Bumi. I guess we can close this thread now, huh?