Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Don't fall for Dana White and Joe Rogans's BS MMA propoganda.

Boxing is fine.

Boxing always reloads in talent.

MMA fanboys always talk about "What happens when Pacquiao retires?"

A new up and comer will arise. Pacquiao was unknown to casual boxing fans until 2009.

Lots of good fighters out there,

Gary Russell Jr.
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Nonito Donaire
Andre Ward

etc.
Not to mention the Olympics breeds Boxing stars.

Don't fall for the hype.

LOL. Thats BS. Manny was selling PPVs back in 2006. 2004 if you count the Marquez fight. Casual fans knew who Pac was back then.

Nobody is saying that there aren't good fighters. There always are good fighters. What we are saying is Boxing is running out of superstars. It has nothing to do with talent.

I'll give you an example: I had a fight party Saturday and people assumed Floyd was the champ because a) he's undefeated and b) he was promoted as the bigger fighter. They were shocked when I told them Floyd doesn't have a belt but Ortiz does. They were confused when I told them that there are 4 different belts in that division and only one was on the line.

You know what most people said walking out of my party "Had fun but I would never pay for a boxing match." It seems like most boxing matches fail to live up to the hype now a days. Whether its Saturdays fight or the Klitchkos last fight or Mosley v. Pac, its disappointment after disappointment. The last great fight I saw was Morales v. Maidana and most people didn't see that fight.

I'm not saying I'm satisfied by every MMA PPV. But I can say that I'm satisfied with most of them and rarely feel like I threw my money away.

[ty5oke]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

One fighter doesn't make a sport. Two fighters don't either. Pac and Floyd are huge draws but the fact that they draw significant money doesn't mean the sport is healthy. MMA has 4 guys right now who have sold more than 1 million PPV buys (Lesnar, GSP, Rampage, Evans). Boxing has two and Boxing has the advantage of being a top sport for over 80 more years than MMA.

There has never been a span of time this long when boxing didn't know who the next great PPV guy is going to be. The depth of great boxers in the 70's, 80's and 90's kept it from collapsing. Boxing doesn't have the depth currently. Who is going to sell PPVs when Pac and Floyd are gone. Alverez? Martinez? Berto? Bradley? Most sports fans don't know who the hell those guys are.


I love both sports but you are fooling yourself if you think Boxing is as healthy as its ever been

I don't ever remember seeing #'s, but didn't Klitschko/Haye do 1M+ PPV buys and thats with 3M+ watching it on HBO>?

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

I don't ever remember seeing #'s, but didn't Klitschko/Haye do 1M+ PPV buys and thats with 3M+ watching it on HBO>?

Not in the US. US PPV buys are what matters. Also do you think VK is going to get a million buys again after that fight. I saw the Haye fight for free and I was pissed I wasted my time. Also that 3 million number is skewed because there were two broadcasts of the fight on HBO. The only person who said the 3 million number was Dan Rafeal and he even admitted it was speculation.

[N51_rob]

Boxing needs an American heavyweight period. An American that can clean out the division will get PPV buys. That will never change.

Sent from RedskinNation.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Boxing needs an American heavyweight period. An American that can clean out the division will get PPV buys. That will never change.

Sent from RedskinNation.

Correct. The problem is those guys play football now.

[100% Texan]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

LOL. Thats BS. Manny was selling PPVs back in 2006. 2004 if you count the Marquez fight. Casual fans knew who Pac was back then.

Nobody is saying that there aren't good fighters. There always are good fighters. What we are saying is Boxing is running out of superstars. It has nothing to do with talent.

I'll give you an example: I had a fight party Saturday and people assumed Floyd was the champ because a) he's undefeated and b) he was promoted as the bigger fighter. They were shocked when I told them Floyd doesn't have a belt but Ortiz does. They were confused when I told them that there are 4 different belts in that division and only one was on the line.

You know what most people said walking out of my party "Had fun but I would never pay for a boxing match." It seems like most boxing matches fail to live up to the hype now a days. Whether its Saturdays fight or the Klitchkos last fight or Mosley v. Pac, its disappointment after disappointment. The last great fight I saw was Morales v. Maidana and most people didn't see that fight.

I'm not saying I'm satisfied by every MMA PPV. But I can say that I'm satisfied with most of them and rarely feel like I threw my money away.

pac/morales 1 did 350,000 buys

pac/morales 2 did 360,000 buys

pac/morales 3 did 350,000 buys

let's not act lke pac was headlining 1 mill ppv buy events and trusted into the national spotlight until after de la hoya.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

pac/morales 1 did 350,000 buys

pac/morales 2 did 360,000 buys

pac/morales 3 did 350,000 buys

let's not act lke pac was headlining 1 mill ppv buy events and trusted into the national spotlight until after de la hoya.

Lets not act like casual sports fans didn't know him either. 350k and several HBO fights means that casual fans know his name. Under that theory no one knew Roy Jones until he fought Trinidad.

[ty5oke]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Not in the US. US PPV buys are what matters. Also do you think VK is going to get a million buys again after that fight. I saw the Haye fight for free and I was pissed I wasted my time. Also that 3 million number is skewed because there were two broadcasts of the fight on HBO. The only person who said the 3 million number was Dan Rafeal and he even admitted it was speculation.

Why does only US buys matter? I agree with you on this whole matter, just thought of Klitschko/Haye when you said only 2 people sold 1M PPV buys.

[N51_rob]

Correct. The problem is those guys play football now.

You are 1000% correct. Imagine if Ray Lewis or even Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson decided to box instead of football and sports entertainment?

Sent from RedskinNation.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Why does only US buys matter? I agree with you on this whole matter, just thought of Klitschko/Haye when you said only 2 people sold 1M PPV buys.

Rights fees are higher in the US. PPVs cost more in the US. Fighters make more money off US PPV than other countries. Still I was talking about US PPVs when I talked about the other 6 fighters I named.

[100% Texan]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Lets not act like casual sports fans didn't know him either. 350k and several HBO fights means that casual fans know his name. Under that theory no one knew Roy Jones until he fought Trinidad.

I'm saying Pacquiao was not a household name until after De La Hoya. Star amongst Boxing circles? Yes. but amongst the mainstream I don't remember much hype about Pac. After that fight it catapulted him to super stardom. Ironically De La Hoya was Mayweather coming out party as well.

I don't remember Pacquiao doing talk shows and whatnot until 2009.

[Po Pimp]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Boxing has always been crooked. Boxing has always only had about 1-3 legit draws at a time. Boxing has always had one glamor weight division at a time. Through all this, it has persevered. Like someone already said, after Floyd leaves the sport, there will be someone on the horizon to replace him, the same way he replaced De la Hoya, the same way De la Hoya replaced Tyson, who replaced Leonard, who replaced Ali.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Ironically De La Hoya was Mayweather coming out party as well.

It was Gatti...not DLH.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

I'm saying Pacquiao was not a household name until after De La Hoya. Star amongst Boxing circles? Yes. but amongst the mainstream I don't remember much hype about Pac. After that fight it catapulted him to super stardom. Ironically De La Hoya was Mayweather coming out party as well.

I don't remember Pacquiao doing talk shows and whatnot until 2009.

Gotta agree with you here. Pac hasn't been in the mainstream since 2004 or whenever he said. Casual fans definitely only just started talking about dude in the last four to five years. It's like pro wrestling back in say 2000 or 2002 or so. If I walked up to a random person on the street and mentioned Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair or Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock, chances are that person knows exactly who I'm talking about because they were mainstream stars at that point. However if I asked them about Triple H or Kane or Rey Mysterio or somebody like this who were huge stars in the wrestling industry, people wouldn't know who the hell I was talking about unless they were hardcore wrestling fans.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th

Boxing has always been crooked. Boxing has always only had about 1-3 legit draws at a time. Boxing has always had one glamor weight division at a time. Through all this, it has persevered. Like someone already said, after Floyd leaves the sport, there will be someone on the horizon to replace him, the same way he replaced De la Hoya, the same way De la Hoya replaced Tyson, who replaced Leonard, who replaced Ali.

I don't think thats true. I'm 33 so my boxing prime was the 90's. From 90-200, you had Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield as HW elite. You had solid fighters like Douglas, Bruno and Ruddock in the same division. Thats just the HW division.

Thats not even counting Jones Jr., Hopkins, Oscar, Hamed, Camacho, Barrera and Morales. I dont see that depth now a days.