Help me out please

[Bamtino]

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I don't use buttons, and its pretty hard to spam with the "sticks".

Are you serious with this bull****?

I don't even own the damn game and i know the sticks are much easier to spam with this time around...All you have to do is flick the stick left and right to spam hooks...The stick is also more responsive in FNC since the buttons have lag...

Look man, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on pretty much everything discussed in this thread...

If you want to win fights with this new patch you better start focusing on the head more...

[steelernut]

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Are you serious with this bull****?

I don't even own the damn game and i know the sticks are much easier to spam with this time around...All you have to do is flick the stick left and right to spam hooks...The stick is also more responsive in FNC since the buttons have lag...

Look man, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on pretty much everything discussed in this thread...

If you want to win fights with this new patch you better start focusing on the head more...

How are going to make an argument about the game and you don't even own it lol SMH.. And no the sticks are not as easy to spam in this game compared to just simply mashing buttons. In my opinion it takes more controller skill to use sticks than using buttons. I didn't want to resort to doing this but you keep telling me "If I wanna win" (like you own the map to wining in FNC lol smh) I do win a great deal, I'm ranked 50 in the U.S 65th in the world in H2H (nothing to be proud of lol but hey gotta put some facts out), and In OWC my record is very nice in each division. I was just bring up one particular fight that I felt was unfair in my opinion. You not having the game just further explains you don't know anything about it SMH. WOrd of advice "guy".. before you make a judgement on a game at least have the game in your possession (you probably traded it in for something far less advance and challenging like Mortal Combat or something SMH). But hey like I said before to each its own, your opinion isn't bothering me one way or another, and it seems that your getting a little too serious since you have to resort to cussing instead of thinking of something more intelligent to say.

[Cynick]

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Pounding the body isn't unrealistic, just look at the Chavez JR vs Zbik fight, or any Chavez SR fight. I'm usually a headhunter but online you definetly gotta put in some body work, especially since alot of people will dump all of their points into head movement and combos for hand speed, then they just shine the lean stick and counter even the quickest head jab. I understand that the devs are trying to deter people from body spamming, but you can literally land 50+ body hooks and uppercuts per round, and still lose the fight to your opponents 5-10 counter jabs per round. It's happened to me half a dozen times now.

The only advice I could give is to boost up your body straight, at least high enough to stun. It's cheap, accurate, extremely difficult to counter, and will change their mind about constant leaning in a hurry. The top strat right now seems to be... work the body for 4 rounds, sacrificing those rounds to slow them down, then you can do what you want with them. But if you are looking at a 10 round decision, you are required to land more head shots. It needs more balancing.

[steelernut]

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Pounding the body isn't unrealistic, just look at the Chavez JR vs Zbik fight, or any Chavez SR fight. I'm usually a headhunter but online you definetly gotta put in some body work, especially since alot of people will dump all of their points into head movement and combos for hand speed, then they just shine the lean stick and counter even the quickest head jab. I understand that the devs are trying to deter people from body spamming, but you can literally land 50+ body hooks and uppercuts per round, and still lose the fight to your opponents 5-10 counter jabs per round. It's happened to me half a dozen times now.

The only advice I could give is to boost up your body straight, at least high enough to stun. It's cheap, accurate, extremely difficult to counter, and will change their mind about constant leaning in a hurry. The top strat right now seems to be... work the body for 4 rounds, sacrificing those rounds to slow them down, then you can do what you want with them. But if you are looking at a 10 round decision, you are required to land more head shots. It needs more balancing.

I'm in SHOCK lol finally a smart opinion with constructive criticism. Instead of all these guys saying you "must be spamming", its not true, I've never spammed, I'm totally against it, but allot of guys run, and when that happens because the way the game is made I have to throw more body shots. Especially when all these guys have made these super CAB's with 88inch reaches with fast footspeed. My CAB is realistic, I'm modeled him after Roy Jones, I have a 74in reach 5'11. Believe me I would love to fight straight up more often but these "chessers make these fighters, so I have to be more aggressive and go to the body more. Oh and thanks for bringing up that fight, I tell people all the time about it when they say there's no way somebody will primarily go to the body lol so I always bring that fight up, and they never reply back. But thanks my dude, I will mos definitely take your advice.

[threattonature]

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Pounding the body isn't unrealistic, just look at the Chavez JR vs Zbik fight, or any Chavez SR fight. I'm usually a headhunter but online you definetly gotta put in some body work, especially since alot of people will dump all of their points into head movement and combos for hand speed, then they just shine the lean stick and counter even the quickest head jab. I understand that the devs are trying to deter people from body spamming, but you can literally land 50+ body hooks and uppercuts per round, and still lose the fight to your opponents 5-10 counter jabs per round. It's happened to me half a dozen times now.

The only advice I could give is to boost up your body straight, at least high enough to stun. It's cheap, accurate, extremely difficult to counter, and will change their mind about constant leaning in a hurry. The top strat right now seems to be... work the body for 4 rounds, sacrificing those rounds to slow them down, then you can do what you want with them. But if you are looking at a 10 round decision, you are required to land more head shots. It needs more balancing.

In that fight 55% of Chavez's landed shots were body shots. A far cry from 90% of the punches landed being body shots. I have no problem with someone working the body to a degree but when your entire attack is nonstop body shots then that is spamming.

[ajns]

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...So your telling me because the "sexier" punch looks good, its more credible than a body punch??? I would say you don't know nothing about boxing or have never been in a ring in your life...

I think I would make the argument that sans a liver shot that knocks your opponent out, body punches ARE undervalued in the scoring (in real life). At the same time, I don't think you'll find one analyst or former boxer/trainer worth his salt that thinks that working the body is going to win style points or even rounds necessarily. You hear the phrase "putting money in the bank." Money in the bank doesn't pay immediate dividends. It pays off down the road. What working the body does is the following (again, real life from 20+ years of watching, and about 3 years of actually doing.):

1) Saps energy/stamina. Work the body long enough and the guy stops moving and throwing or at least slows from sheer exhaustion. Then, no matter what types of punches your throwing, the rounds start to fall to you because of work rate.

2) Lowers the hands. Enough body work and a guy doesn't want to get hit there anymore. As a result, the elbows get tighter to the body and migrate down and the gloves spread and go south with the elbows. Now, you can land your "sexy" punches and the rounds start to fall to you for style.

I don't think anyone can really make the argument that, if all other things are equal, body punching is going to win you rounds. That's not why you do it. Like I said, sometimes you get lucky and get the perfect shot and the guy just can't get up. But otherwise, hitting the body comes down to employing a strategy that looks towards winning the second half of the fight and getting a decision or KO late.

[ajns]

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BTW, if you really want to know how undervalued body work is, look at the Taylor/Chavez fight.

Let's just get this out of the way first: Taylor was winning what I thought was a close fight. Regardless of our opinions, the judges had Taylor ahead. The announcers had Taylor ahead. If the fight had gone the distance, Taylor would have won...period. Just a matter of fact about what we know about the scorecards.

Now for the important part: Meldrick Taylor was hospitalized for days after this fight and according to his trainer pissed blood for 3 straight days afterwards. Whatever Chavez wasn't doing to win the fight on the cards, he sure as hell was making up for with body work.

[threattonature]

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I think I would make the argument that sans a liver shot that knocks your opponent out, body punches ARE undervalued in the scoring (in real life). At the same time, I don't think you'll find one analyst or former boxer/trainer worth his salt that thinks that working the body is going to win style points or even rounds necessarily. You hear the phrase "putting money in the bank." Money in the bank doesn't pay immediate dividends. It pays off down the road. What working the body does is the following (again, real life from 20+ years of watching, and about 3 years of actually doing.):

1) Saps energy/stamina. Work the body long enough and the guy stops moving and throwing or at least slows from sheer exhaustion. Then, no matter what types of punches your throwing, the rounds start to fall to you because of work rate.

2) Lowers the hands. Enough body work and a guy doesn't want to get hit there anymore. As a result, the elbows get tighter to the body and migrate down and the gloves spread and go south with the elbows. Now, you can land your "sexy" punches and the rounds start to fall to you for style.

I don't think anyone can really make the argument that, if all other things are equal, body punching is going to win you rounds. That's not why you do it. Like I said, sometimes you get lucky and get the perfect shot and the guy just can't get up. But otherwise, hitting the body comes down to employing a strategy that looks towards winning the second half of the fight and getting a decision or KO late.

This breaks it down perfectly.

[steelernut]

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I think I would make the argument that sans a liver shot that knocks your opponent out, body punches ARE undervalued in the scoring (in real life). At the same time, I don't think you'll find one analyst or former boxer/trainer worth his salt that thinks that working the body is going to win style points or even rounds necessarily. You hear the phrase "putting money in the bank." Money in the bank doesn't pay immediate dividends. It pays off down the road. What working the body does is the following (again, real life from 20+ years of watching, and about 3 years of actually doing.):

1) Saps energy/stamina. Work the body long enough and the guy stops moving and throwing or at least slows from sheer exhaustion. Then, no matter what types of punches your throwing, the rounds start to fall to you because of work rate.

2) Lowers the hands. Enough body work and a guy doesn't want to get hit there anymore. As a result, the elbows get tighter to the body and migrate down and the gloves spread and go south with the elbows. Now, you can land your "sexy" punches and the rounds start to fall to you for style.

I don't think anyone can really make the argument that, if all other things are equal, body punching is going to win you rounds. That's not why you do it. Like I said, sometimes you get lucky and get the perfect shot and the guy just can't get up. But otherwise, hitting the body comes down to employing a strategy that looks towards winning the second half of the fight and getting a decision or KO late.

Great assesment Brah. I don't throw body shots in this game to win rounds. I do it for exactly the same reason you gave up here. In most of the games I play I'm down on points by at least 2 or 3rounds when they show the 8th round point results. After that 8th round my opponet does exactly what you wrote, he starts to ware down and is completly drained, then that is when I finish him off. I like going to the body when I'm the ring in real life so I do it in the game also. This is a game so of course I wouldn't land that high of a % of body shots, but my opponet woldn't be able to either, like I said before if that decission I lost was real then we both would have been serverly damaged, and probably retire lol. but I guess the disscusion has sort moved to what paticular punches win fights. In my opinon a great inside fighter will always prevail. I guess an example would be Tyson vs Ali. I believe tyson would win, but once again thats my opinion. but anyway brah good breakdown.

[NYG_Meth]

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Just by looking at the stats and without reading everyone's rants, you are throwing an ABSURD number of body punches. I would dial it back if I were you. No one likes to fight someone who throws that much to the body. It's not very realistic, and apparently it doesn't win you many rounds either, "brah."

[steelernut]

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In that fight 55% of Chavez's landed shots were body shots. A far cry from 90% of the punches landed being body shots. I have no problem with someone working the body to a degree but when your entire attack is nonstop body shots then that is spamming.

I still can't believe your making judgment and don't even have the game SMH. Like I said before this " IS A GAME", so everybody stats are going to be inflated. Just like a 6'8 88inch reach guy with a purple mohawk is out of the ordinary. Have you ever heard a sports commentator refer to a great athlete "He or She puts up stats like a video game!", hence its unreal. I wasn't spamming dude. My game plan is to always work the body, then finish him off at the end. On that paticular fight I felt the judges got it wrong, period. I don't know what your definition of spamming is; I already gave you mine. Spammers have no skill, no strategy, and all they care about is a cheap win. I am none of those. I'll say it again before you call someone a spammer at least see how they play,... hold up.. wait a minute... YOU DON'T HAVE THE GAME smdh. Have a good day sir.

[ajns]

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After reading my post again and some others, I realize that I kind of didn't finish my point. I guess what makes any of that analysis of body work relevant to the topic at hand is this: If you decide to go to the body early and often and your opponent doesn't slow down and you don't get your "sexy" punches in later, I could see real life judges hosing you. That may not be fair or right (See Taylor/Chavez again. If Richard Steele wasn't in that ring that night everything changes.), but in the end guys that work the body (I did when I was in there for real, I don't do it as much as I should in the game) are always at a disadvantage. For guys like that, you will have to find a way to get to the head eventually or outwork them convincingly. As always you hold the best 10 judges in your left and and right hands.

[steelernut]

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Just by looking at the stats and without reading everyone's rants, you are throwing an ABSURD number of body punches. I would dial it back if I were you. No one likes to fight someone who throws that much to the body. It's not very realistic, and apparently it doesn't win you many rounds either, "brah."

Well your not me "guy" (I was tryn to be friendly by calling you brah so I'll just refer to you as "guy"). I really could care less if you or anybody else for that matter, would wanna fight me. And when your playing somebody your not supposed to play to thier liking or how they see fit. Your supposed to seek out thier weakness and capitalize on thier mistakes, because at the end the fight even tho I like a good sim match, I still would feel even better with the win. Thats exactly what I was doing with the guy I faced, he was running the whole fight, and didn't like body shots, so thats what I did. He won, kudos for him, but I still feel my decsion was unfair. I still fight the same way and I have great success. Majority of people I fight write me with good feed back, I've never got a message saying I don't fight realistic enough for a game, and I've never been called a spammer. Its always "good fight", and if they are mad outta frustration they most of the time write sayn I'm a smart fighter. Trust me "guy" if you played me or seen me play your view would be differnt. But obviously that won't happen. We have a differnce in opinion, its all good "guy".

[steelernut]

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Matter of fact the player I faced who got the decision, wrote me a message wanting to be my friend.I wrote him saying the decsion was B.S. . He replyed saying I was being too passive(obviously thats untrue "punch stats"). I wrote him back telling him he ran the whole fight and never got a reply back.

[Bamtino]

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Just by looking at the stats and without reading everyone's rants, you are throwing an ABSURD number of body punches. I would dial it back if I were you. No one likes to fight someone who throws that much to the body. It's not very realistic, and apparently it doesn't win you many rounds either, "brah."

Don't bother man...

Dude didn't make this thread for help, he made it for his ego...He got mad because he lost and ran here expecting everyone to tell him he was robbed...

He's been told countless times why he lost yet he still refuses to admit his style cost him the fight because he can't process the difference between effective punching and body spamming...smh