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  • BOSsTOwN
    Pro
    • Feb 2003
    • 788

    #1

    Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight




    Don't believe anything until your hear from both sides officially but this is in line in what arum was saying post fight.
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    Floyd Mayweather Jr. aide: No megafight
    By Dan Rafael

    The latest round of negotiations for the potential megafight between welterweight champions Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are over before they have even begun.

    Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer both told ESPN.com Monday that they were notified that Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank was not interested in coming to the table.

    "We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time," Schaefer said.

    Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz in his return to the ring after 16 months off in September, and Pacquiao eked out a controversial majority decision against rival Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

    That set the table for the showdown that looms as the biggest money fight in boxing history, especially with Mayweather announcing two weeks ago that he planned to return May 5 at the MGM Grand and, according to Ellerbe, wanted to "make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella (Pacquiao)."

    However, that does not appear to be the plan Arum and Pacquiao have, even if they had said they were open to it before the Marquez fight.

    Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.

    "I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."

    Schaefer said the plan was to use Weinstein to help them make the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight because he is trusted by both sides and intimately familiar with the problems between the rival promotional companies.

    "Judge Weinstein is respected by both parties and mediated issues between Top Rank and Golden Boy before, so the plan was to see if he could help facilitate such a fight. Floyd's team really wanted to get this fight done," Schaefer said. "If you just sit down with Arum, he can at any time have one of his fits, one of his 'f--- you' attacks, and the likelihood that he would have a 'f--- you' attack in front of a retired judge seemed less likely than if Arum and me would be alone in a room."

    Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.

    But Arum did say, "We are pursuing a fourth fight with Marquez. As far as doing anything definitively, we aren't ready to do anything definitively. When we are ready to make a determination of what we are going to do, we will do it. We are not going to do this in the press. We will do what is in the best interest of ourselves and our client and make a decision when it's time to. If we decide we want to do a rematch with Marquez, there is no reason to sit down with Mayweather. If we want to explore a Mayweather fight, we will sit down with them. But I'm not going to sit down with them just because it's a good show."

    Ellerbe was just as upset as Schaefer was.

    [Pacquiao promoter Bob] Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
    "In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao," Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "Now we all know the truth once and for all why this fight hasn't been made. It should be clear to everyone that they don't care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now. Floyd said if this isn't clear, he doesn't know what is.

    "All along we know why the fight isn't being made. This is the perfect opportunity. Both guys just fought. This is the fight the fans want to see, and it's a disgrace that they are not willing to give the fans what they want. In my opinion, there are three reasons why Arum doesn't want the fight. He knows there is no way that Manny Pacquiao can win, it kills his cash cow, and he wants to do in-house fights where he controls both sides. I said all along why this fight hasn't been made to this point. Manny Pacquiao knows, Bob Arum knows and Freddie Roach knows."

    Ellerbe said he and Schaefer would begin exploring potential May 5 opponents for Mayweather.

    "We have a number of options, and we will evaluate that and give the fans the biggest fight we can give them," he said. "But before we can get started (on a Pacquiao fight), Top Rank doesn't even want to listen. They're not even interested in Floyd Mayweather. They want no part of Floyd Mayweather. They have no interest in the little fella fighting Floyd. Manny Pacquiao needs to stand up, in my opinion, and tell his promoter that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather next and stop hiding behind his promoter."

    Ellerbe said Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs) did not watch as Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs) turned in a shaky performance on Saturday night because he was making a paid appearance at a nightclub in Virginia. Mayweather came out of a 21-month retirement in September 2009 and fought Marquez, dropping him in the second round and winning a near-shutout decision, a far more dominating performance than Pacquiao has had against him in any of their three bouts.
    "This game, and series, has nothing but contempt for you (now)"
  • Sausage
    MVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 3905

    #2
    Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

    Sucks for boxing. As usual the promoters/fighters stand in there own way. I think another Marquez fight would yield a similar fight without a conclusive winner.

    Anyways I have fights I look forward too:
    Froch vs Ward (winner could face bute next, I got Ward in a tough scrap)
    Margarito vs Cotto (I hope Cotto pulls it off, but Margs may have one good scrap left)
    Rios vs Murray (undercard of Margs vs Cotto, I like Rios but Murray is good)
    Wolak vs Rodriguez (undercard of Margs vs Cotto, I got Rodriguez)
    Chavez Jr. vs Manfredo (neither great, but will be a great scrap on HBO)
    Alvarez vs Cintron (more curious to see if Cintron has gas left in the tank)
    Mares vs Agbeko (a good rematch)

    Boxing is alive and well, but only for a small group like myself.

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    • game20ver
      Rookie
      • Sep 2008
      • 330

      #3
      Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

      Finally The truth comes out. I think everyone who has been bashing Mayweather for being scared or ducking Pacquiao should Man up and admit that you were all wrong, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt who has been holding up the fight.

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      • BOSsTOwN
        Pro
        • Feb 2003
        • 788

        #4
        Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

        I think this is just Arum wanting to get as much money off of his Manny money train for as long as possible.
        "This game, and series, has nothing but contempt for you (now)"

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        • raiy0
          Rookie
          • Nov 2008
          • 74

          #5
          Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

          Originally posted by BOSsTOwN

          "We have a number of options, and we will evaluate that and give the fans the biggest fight we can give them," he said. "But before we can get started (on a Pacquiao fight), Top Rank doesn't even want to listen. They're not even interested in Floyd Mayweather. They want no part of Floyd Mayweather. They have no interest in the little fella fighting Floyd. Manny Pacquiao needs to stand up, in my opinion, and tell his promoter that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather next and stop hiding behind his promoter."
          I think that's the best quote in the whole paragraph. I'm a Manny fan but he should step up above his promoter and say I want to fight against him. Otherwise we won't see this fight happen. I really don't see what his got to lose, from the boxers stand point. Arum only wants to get the most money he can get from Paccy. Because he knows Pac-man will box only for a short while, as he's starting a career as a politician.

          The whole thing is like a endless circle, with both sides claiming they want to fight each other at another time. Every time another f****** excuse. And who pays? We the fans. It's really a shame but I don't see this fight ever to happen.
          "It is not how hard you push along the way. It is having something in you to finish." - Michael Jordan

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          • game20ver
            Rookie
            • Sep 2008
            • 330

            #6
            Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

            Originally posted by raiy0
            I think that's the best quote in the whole paragraph. I'm a Manny fan but he should step up above his promoter and say I want to fight against him. Otherwise we won't see this fight happen. I really don't see what his got to lose, from the boxers stand point. Arum only wants to get the most money he can get from Paccy. Because he knows Pac-man will box only for a short while, as he's starting a career as a politician.

            The whole thing is like a endless circle, with both sides claiming they want to fight each other at another time. Every time another f****** excuse. And who pays? We the fans. It's really a shame but I don't see this fight ever to happen.
            I agree 100% Manny Pacquiao is a congressman, how is Pacquiao going to make important decisions for his people in the real world, when he won't even do what is best for his fans in the boxing world? Pacquiao needs to start calling the shots. It's a better career move to collect 50 million to fight Floyd then flush it down the toilet. At least if he lost to Mayweather, a Marquez fight would be reasonability marketable but if he looks bad in his next outing or Floyd gets upset May 5th the 50 million dollar fight is off the table, they better cash in before people lose anymore interest.
            Last edited by game20ver; 11-15-2011, 03:20 PM.

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            • Control-X
              Pro
              • Aug 2010
              • 600

              #7
              Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

              Politics. That's the part I hate about Pacquiao. You just couldn't row two boats at the same time. Boxing is the best thing for him. His life is supposed to be in boxing, but running a congressional position in politics really started to ruin his boxing career. It's very clear. It seems like the sport is not that interesting to him anymore. I think he slowly lost the passion of the sport of boxing and I'm terribly sad for him. I knew this day would come. F#*K!!!

              Dr. J
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              • NINJAK2
                *S *dd*ct
                • Jan 2003
                • 6185

                #8
                Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

                Originally posted by game20ver
                Finally The truth comes out. I think everyone who has been bashing Mayweather for being scared or ducking Pacquiao should Man up and admit that you were all wrong, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt who has been holding up the fight.
                It proves nothing. I don't think May was ever scared of Pac to begin with. Mayweather all of a sudden pulling a date out of his *** and saying we are fighting on this day is not much of a negotiation and that is not how fighters of this stature set up a fight with one another. Two fighters of this magnitude would never go this long without fighting in the 80's. This whole saga has been an embarrasment to the sport imo.
                EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                • Mo
                  SSN
                  • May 2003
                  • 11425

                  #9
                  Re: Bob Arum wont negotiate Floyd vs Manny fight

                  We have a huge thread about it already, let's use that one guys.

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