Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

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Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

He he. Provided links are useless for I already knew about the Martinez-Mayweather story. I just pointed out Floyd did not pick him and rather choose Miguel Cotto.

Apparently you didn't, if you thought(and still somehow seem to think) that floyd simply didn't try to fight him. Did you not read what i said earlier? Floyd TRIED to get that fight but martinez had obligations to another fight and didn't have time to make 150 by may. Maybe you should try reading some of the "useless" provided links because you don't seem to have a clear grasp of what really happened.

[Complex]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

A scary first loss. Yes indeed. Like what the Ghostface03 says, "Styles make fights" but the thing is he got the wrong interpretation of it, man. It doesn't mean if Boxer A can beat Boxer B, he easily beats Boxer C. Consider this as an example:

Big George Foreman can easily handle Joe Frazier (R.I.P.)
George Foreman can't handle Muhammad Ali well and got beaten.

Smokin' Joe Frazier took Muhammad Ali to Hell.
However little Joe had found it very hard doing it with Big George.

Muhammad Ali had hard times handling Smokin' Joe,
But outclassed Big George who had smoked down little Smokin' Joe.

Marquez gave Pac nightmares but if you immediately think Floyd can defeat Pac so easily just because he embarrassed the pee-drinking Marquez when they fought before, you're mistaken.
Pac's crazy style is perfectly in contrast to Floyd's boxing style. Offense vs Defense.

Wrong on so many levels. How many counters did PAC eat vs Marquez? What is Floyd's strength ?

[Control-X]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

Oh, it's more than just that. You didn't watch the video i posted did you? You should really watch it. I'm not simply saying just because marquez gave him hell floyd would win, im saying because we've seen that the counter punching STYLE of marquez gave pac trouble he would lose. And i would say that floyd and marquez style's are much closer to each other than george and joe's styles so i disagree with your analogy. As i said before, pac is better when fighters are coming right at him and aren't too quick(margaritto, hatton, cotto, clottey). We've seen pac have trouble against boxers that won't engage him as much, hell mosley even gave him problems because he wasn't coming straight at him and was moving around. Pac had trouble getting to him, knockdown or not. Just watch the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drkEX...&feature=inbox

Now you're spamming the link posting it over and over again huh. Isn't that illegal here in OS Forums? Don't worry about that vid, Ghost. I gotta tell you I watched it even before you thought about posting it here. It's all over Youtube scattered by none other than Floyd fanaticos.
Floyd and JMM may have something in common but when it comes to fighting one like Pacquiao, JMM has something Floyd's lacking. And this something lacking in him will give him trouble in fighting Pacquiao. You're a genius if you can figure out what it is.

Apparently you didn't, if you thought(and still somehow seem to think) that floyd simply didn't try to fight him. Did you not read what i said earlier? Floyd TRIED to get that fight but martinez had obligations to another fight and didn't have time to make 150 by may. Maybe you should try reading some of the "useless" provided links because you don't seem to have a clear grasp of what really happened.

Alrighty then, now, calm down. Seriously I can't believe you fell for it. Uhmm, have you been brainwashed by the Mayweathers?

Wrong on so many levels. How many counters did PAC eat vs Marquez? What is Floyd's strength ?

Wow. Hello what can I do you for? Sorry, man but I find your questions stupid but I'm answering it anyway.

Boxers like JMM and Floyd are great counter-punchers. The latter is better skillwise, if not the best at that. Pac has difficulty fighting counter-punchers, and that is what most Floyd fanatics saw. But I'm not saying they're all wrong. To each his own.
My point is Floyd cannot do what Marquez has done to Pac and he won't win against Pac unless he change his style. Unlike what Marquez did, I don't think Floyd's ready to engage with Pac. Engaging is not Floyd's game. But in order for Floyd to successfully hit Pac right on the button, he has to risk himself getting hit so he can hit his target right back (like what JMM did). But the questions is: Can he take a strong single lucky Pacquiao punch? I bet he's gone see the stars shining so bright if he submits himself to that. LOL
Man I love Floyd for making me rich. I bet on him every match he fought and won. My bet goes again to Floyd when he's fighting Cotto this May. But if Floyd truly fights Pacquiao (hopefully earlier this year), it's Pac for my money. I never lose a bet BTW
Styles make fights. For those of you who thought I hate Floyd so much, no I don't. I love Floyd the way he is. I patterned my game after him. He's the best technical boxer ever, the ultimate defensive maestro. He just won't fight the Pac and that's it.
Floyd's philosophy says: "Boxing is a sport where you hit and not get hit."
While Pacquiao says: "Boxing is (a sport where) you get hit and you hit right back hard."
And I can see Floyd be lookin like Shane when Mosley fought Pac. Acting tough but be running scared inside the ring LMAO!

[GHOSTFACE03]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

Now you're spamming the link posting it over and over again huh. Isn't that illegal here in OS Forums? Don't worry about that vid, Ghost. I gotta tell you I watched it even before you thought about posting it here. It's all over Youtube scattered by none other than Floyd fanaticos.
Floyd and JMM may have something in common but when it comes to fighting one like Pacquiao, JMM has something Floyd's lacking. And this something lacking in him will give him trouble in fighting Pacquiao. You're a genius if you can figure out what it is.

Oh wow lol. No posting something twice isn't spamming, nice try. I can see you're trying to draw attention away from the debate(red herring). And why don't you humor me, what's floyd lacking? I honestly can't tell if you have an answer for that or not because it looks like you're not even really making an argument at this point. I'll go on a limb and say courage or some nonsense like that. Willingness to get hit? If that's what you think that's a pretty weak point. As i said earlier anywone who moves and doesn't give pac a stationary target can throw off pacs rhythm. Hell even mosley did it, mayweather can do the same thing except he's fast enough to hit pac and get out of the way.

Alrighty then, now, calm down. Seriously I can't believe you fell for it. Uhmm, have you been brainwashed by the Mayweathers?

Calm down over what? Asking for a logical response as to why you disagree? I mean it seems you have no argument to make. I guess can i take this as you pretty much saying you have no way to counter argue what i said so you'll just resorting to saying i've been brainwashed without making an argument for why you disagree. That's pretty weak.

My point is Floyd cannot do what Marquez has done to Pac and he won't win against Pac unless he change his style. Unlike what Marquez did, I don't think Floyd's ready to engage with Pac. Engaging is not Floyd's game. But in order for Floyd to successfully hit Pac right on the button, he has to risk himself getting hit so he can hit his target right back (like what JMM did). But the questions is: Can he take a strong single lucky Pacquiao punch? I bet he's gone see the stars shining so bright if he submits himself to that. LOL

I'm gonna add my two cents to this. Floyd is a lot faster than marquez, so he can do what marquez did and avoid getting hit. And floyd can engage when he wants to, watch some of his older fights and even his recent fight against ortiz. And yeah if floyd can take a strong single punch from mosley he can take one from pac. Mosley has more punching power than pac(his KO% is 70.91%)and pacs punching power is not what people think it is. His KO% is 64.41% floyds is 61.9%. Pac isn't a one punch KO guy. He's punches are more explosive and quick, not 1 punch KO punches. Don't get me wrong he does have power and he definitely has a punchers chance, but not any clean shot from pac is gonna put floyd away.

Floyd's philosophy says: "Boxing is a sport where you hit and not get hit."
While Pacquiao says: "Boxing is (a sport where) you get hit and you hit right back hard."

Ok, but you realize "floyds philosophy"(which is any boxers philosophy) as you say is the base the sports built off of. It's the object of the sport. Ask how well pacs philosophy worked for guys like gatti(RIP) when they fought floyd. Ironically by saying this you're unintentionally discrediting pac.

Man you've kinda exposed yourself on this subject Control-X. It's ok if you don't like mayweather( i don't see how you can say you like a boxer but then turn around and refer to him being elusive in the ring as running scared.) but at least make a rational debate for why you think he would lose. Instead of saying childish stuff like "he'll be running scared" and "he'll be seeing stars shining so bright if he gets hit". And Ad hominem attacks don't help your arguments in the slightest( calling people's questions stupid)

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Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

Oh wow lol. No posting something twice isn't spamming, nice try. I can see you're trying to draw attention away from the debate(red herring). And why don't you humor me, what's floyd lacking? I honestly can't tell if you have an answer for that or not because it looks like you're not even really making an argument at this point. I'll go on a limb and say courage or some nonsense like that. Willingness to get hit? If that's what you think that's a pretty weak point. As i said earlier anywone who moves and doesn't give pac a stationary target can throw off pacs rhythm. Hell even mosley did it, mayweather can do the same thing except he's fast enough to hit pac and get out of the way.

Trust me or not. He cannot do that during fight time with Pac. Even Floyd knows it deep inside lol. I cannot give out details, I've been told it's exclusive to the Money team. I know you don't believe in my posts, Ghost but I can see the future of this bout no matter how you argue about it. Give Floyd all the credit for this fight but I just can't do the same. He's the better man, and all this and that but. It unfortunately doesn't go his way. Pac wins, Mayweather gets 1 L. Plain and simple. But it's nothing to worry for Floyd since it won't be a disappointing loss. He'll ask for a rematch and could proudly win at it.

Calm down over what? Asking for a logical response as to why you disagree? I mean it seems you have no argument to make.

I have but sorry I just don't argue over the internet. That would be crazy weak and pointless just like this one
There's a reason why Floyd picked Cotto and not Sergio in the first place and you know what it is. Now what?

I'm gonna add my two cents to this. Floyd is a lot faster than marquez, so he can do what marquez did and avoid getting hit. And floyd can engage when he wants to, watch some of his older fights and even his recent fight against ortiz. And yeah if floyd can take a strong single punch from mosley he can take one from pac. Mosley has more punching power than pac(his KO% is 70.91%)and pacs punching power is not what people think it is. His KO% is 64.41% floyds is 61.9%. Pac isn't a one punch KO guy. He's punches are more explosive and quick, not 1 punch KO punches. Don't get me wrong he does have power and he definitely has a punchers chance, but not any clean shot from pac is gonna put floyd away.

You're somehow right about the boxers' punch stats but I don't know how sure you are about the KO percentages you put there but I can agree with you in this post. Except for the last line in red.

Ok, but you realize "floyds philosophy"(which is any boxers philosophy) as you say is the base the sports built off of. It's the object of the sport. Ask how well pacs philosophy worked for guys like gatti(RIP) when they fought floyd. Ironically by saying this you're unintentionally discrediting pac.

I couldn't care less. Like I said, I am a fan of neither one of them. Pac is a unique fighter who's job is to fight but allowed himself be milked by an old ****ing bum who personally makes decisions for his next fights. Floyd is boxing's greatest defensive wiz who only fights if the opponent agrees to his own terms, and asking ridiculous demands just for one boxer named Pacquiao so they can fight the fight everyone wanted to see (not anymore).

Man you've kinda exposed yourself on this subject Control-X. It's ok if you don't like mayweather( i don't see how you can say you like a boxer but then turn around and refer to him being elusive in the ring as running scared.) but at least make a rational debate for why you think he would lose. Instead of saying childish stuff like "he'll be running scared" and "he'll be seeing stars shining so bright if he gets hit". And Ad hominem attacks don't help your arguments in the slightest( calling people's questions stupid)

I mean what I say and you're calling it "childish stuff". That's an Ad hominem attack, Ghost. Thanks but I wont be retaliating lol. Actually I'm laughing nonstop while typing that. I can't find the appropriate words anymore LMAO. Call it 'childish' or whatever you like (I don't mind ad hominems) but Floyd just wont be at his best when he fights Pac. It's the opposite. I'd love to see him always win a fight to keep his perfect "0" loss, but he couldn't pull that trigger with Manny. Its mind boggling he can't. Pac would be a demoralizing match for Floyd but like I said he'll soon recover after a first loss, he'll take it back win big in the next fight.

[Sausage]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

If Cotto can consistently avoid the laser straights from Mayweather and rough up the body a little the match could be interesting.

Right now, my heart says Mayweather easy Unanimous decision. Knowing myself the HBO specials and what not will get me pumped.

Hopefully the match is closer than it looks on paper.

[ScoobySnax]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

I just wanna see the fight that everyone else does. Why don't Pac and Mayweather get their **** together and fight before they start getting knocked out like RJJ and retire.

At any rate, hope this one is good.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

Dude the main reason this fight was made was because cotto left arum, and he's a good opponent(canelo is good but not ready yet) it's that simple. You sound as crazy as the people that are sure pacs on steroids with all this backdoor dealing conspiracy theory nonsense. I mean seriously, you've gotta be kidding me. Who else could floyd fight if he cant' fight pac in may? I remember people saying he's too scared to fight canelo but then when there was a rumor that he would people were saying that he was picking an easy inexperienced opponent. So what's wrong with cotto? Especially at the weight cottos comfortable with? People really go out of their way to discredit anything he does, it's ridiculous. Cottos a tough opponent.

If you seriously think that Floyd believes Cotto can give him a loss, then I'm not sure there's any point in arguing with you.
Both Floyd and Pac hand-pick opponents they feel safe with. Neither is going to risk their legacy, or their future bout with each other by fighting someone truly dangerous right now.

Cotto's an incredibly tough, gutsy and talented fighter. But even at 154, he'll win no more than 3 rounds against Floyd. And I'm being generous.

Only 1% of fights are made between guys that are equals. The rest are lopsided affairs.
Why else do you or anyone else thinks that Pac-Floyd is still in the works 3+ years later?
Both fighters know it would be a very tough fight and a loss could seriously hurt their earning power.

I have no interest in Floyd-Cotto just as I have no interest in Bradley-Pacquiao.

[BOSsTOwN]

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Its all Arums fault. that guy is the devil

[iLLmatic]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

No interest. Hoping for a Canelo v Sergio or Chavez Jr. fight since FM and MP can't seem to get it together.

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Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

If you seriously think that Floyd believes Cotto can give him a loss, then I'm not sure there's any point in arguing with you.
Both Floyd and Pac hand-pick opponents they feel safe with. Neither is going to risk their legacy, or their future bout with each other by fighting someone truly dangerous right now.

Cotto's an incredibly tough, gutsy and talented fighter. But even at 154, he'll win no more than 3 rounds against Floyd. And I'm being generous.

Only 1% of fights are made between guys that are equals. The rest are lopsided affairs.
Why else do you or anyone else thinks that Pac-Floyd is still in the works 3+ years later?
Both fighters know it would be a very tough fight and a loss could seriously hurt their earning power.

I have no interest in Floyd-Cotto just as I have no interest in Bradley-Pacquiao.

I doubt floyd thinks anyone can give him a loss. Not many top tier boxers go in the ring thinking they're gonna lose. And i never said anything about floyd thinking he might lose to cotto, that was you. Eh, there is some cherrypicking done by both to an extent. But i would say that for floyd he's often scrutinized for anyone he picks. Take mosley, he had just destroyed margarito, hadn't shown any signs of slowing down. Pre fight i remember hearing all the floyd detractors saying how mosely would destroy floyd and knock him out. Nobody was saying, "he's too old" but when floyd easily beat him the same people turned around and said he was washed up.

And i think people should give cotto credit( i hate when people discredit cotto, not saying you are), he's a great fighter. I wouldn't consider him handpicked. What's wrong with cotto? He's been looking much better(looks better than he did when pac fought him after he got demolished by plaster and had a close/bad match with clottey). And he's fighting at his comfortable weight class, which floyds only fought at once. I don't think cotto will win but i would say he's a respectable choice for an opponent after sergio martinez and pac. He's probably the most dangerous opponent left right now(next would be canelo)

And i would say all of floyds fights(excluding the two against castillo) being lopsided doesn't necessarily mean all his opponents are handpicked, did you ever think that maybe he's just that good? Even when he fights pac(who im guessing is in the 1% who are equal) he'll be the favorite. Again it speaks more to his skill.

[GHOSTFACE03]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

No interest. Hoping for a Canelo v Sergio or Chavez Jr. fight since FM and MP can't seem to get it together.

I don't think he's ready for martinez yet, i think he beats chavez easily though.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

I doubt floyd thinks anyone can give him a loss. Not many top tier boxers go in the ring thinking they're gonna lose. And i never said anything about floyd thinking he might lose to cotto, that was you. Eh, there is some cherrypicking done by both to an extent. But i would say that for floyd he's often scrutinized for anyone he picks. Take mosley, he had just destroyed margarito, hadn't shown any signs of slowing down. Pre fight i remember hearing all the floyd detractors saying how mosely would destroy floyd and knock him out. Nobody was saying, "he's too old" but when floyd easily beat him the same people turned around and said he was washed up.

And i think people should give cotto credit( i hate when people discredit cotto, not saying you are), he's a great fighter. I wouldn't consider him handpicked. What's wrong with cotto? He's been looking much better(looks better than he did when pac fought him after he got demolished by plaster and had a close/bad match with clottey). And he's fighting at his comfortable weight class, which floyds only fought at once. I don't think cotto will win but i would say he's a respectable choice for an opponent after sergio martinez and pac. He's probably the most dangerous opponent left right now(next would be canelo)

And i would say all of floyds fights(excluding the two against castillo) being lopsided doesn't necessarily mean all his opponents are handpicked, did you ever think that maybe he's just that good? Even when he fights pac(who im guessing is in the 1% who are equal) he'll be the favorite. Again it speaks more to his skill.

I'm not discrediting Floyd's skill, nor Cotto's. I actually think Cotto's a tougher opponent for Floyd than Bradley is for Pac.
But there's no denying that Floyd picks his opponents. He's admitted it himself.
Seeing as he's going to jail and he wants that one big fight before going away, Cotto is probably the biggest name, and toughest fight out there.
If S-Mart wasn't tied-up with Macklin, he would have been the guy to go, but it is what it is.

I'm just angry/frustrated because I'm tired of both these guys fighting everyone but each other.
They're hurting boxing.

[Kashanova]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

I'm not discrediting Floyd's skill, nor Cotto's. I actually think Cotto's a tougher opponent for Floyd than Bradley is for Pac.
But there's no denying that Floyd picks his opponents. He's admitted it himself.
Seeing as he's going to jail and he wants that one big fight before going away, Cotto is probably the biggest name, and toughest fight out there.
If S-Mart wasn't tied-up with Macklin, he would have been the guy to go, but it is what it is.

I'm just angry/frustrated because I'm tired of both these guys fighting everyone but each other.
They're hurting boxing.

Arum's hurting boxing IMO

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto

Arum's hurting boxing IMO

You won't get an argument from me. Arum is a giant scumbag.
And there's noway that Pac doesn't know this either. He needs to push Arum aside and tell him it's Floyd or nobody.
And Floyd needs to suck it up and take a 50/50 split.