Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

[edaddy]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

Yes but I can instantly tell by the PacRoid comment that you are a 'flomo' as much as I hate those stupid terms.

Touching on the 'unicorn' nonsense, you may find this interesting-



Mayweather at 16 years old was fighting at 106 lbs, and has fought as high as 154lbs — and Pacquaio at 16 years old was fighting at 106lbs and now fights at 147. There are minor differences regarding when the weight gains happen- but they have essentially done the same thing. The only difference is that Mayweather was in the amateurs when he was 16 and Pacquaio was a professional, for some reason that makes a difference.

Excellent post man..I posted something similar to this a couple of months back to show people the exact samew thing..Both started at 106 and both progressed naturally at almost the same speed, yet pac is on steroids and Floyd is not...I just ignore the people who flap that Pacroid garbage because it sounds ignorant and you can tell they are not even attempting to get the facts straight..good post again

[JayBee74]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

Why are we talking about Pacquiao "allegedly" being on steroids, when the issue here is how bad the decision was?

[JayBee74]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

guess what everyone ... since we're allowed to wildly state with fact athletes are using roids...floyd mayweather IS using roids!!!!!!!!!!! it's an absolute fact!!!!!

I thought so. He does have a big head.


and look at his eyes-those eyes tells me he's on steroids.

[marq]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

As bad as this decision was, it was not the first of its kind. As far as the most egregious decision goes, I was always partial to the Roy Jones, Jr. '88 Olympics robbery. Anyway, here is a list of a few of the worst decisions:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1206/most-controversial-decisions-in-boxing-history/content.1.html

[edaddy]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

you are speaking as if pacman has been caught using roids... it's a bit crazy... I accuse someone like alistair overeem who to me has undeniable muscle development. In this case you are using a mayweather accusation on its own and a really stupid chart to make it seem legit.

guess what everyone ... since we're allowed to wildly state with fact athletes are using roids...floyd mayweather IS using roids!!!!!!!!!!! it's an absolute fact!!!!!


get out of here man

What the?..Man do you even know what you wrote and did you actually read the posts that led up to the one you quoted..In fact the poster who I quoted is trying to get across the fact that Pac does not use steroids and that people assume so because of this idea that he rapidly progresed through divisions. When in fact he and Floyd progressed at roughly the same rate yet Pac is accused of using roids but Floyd is not?.. .Did you even look at the chart? and the poster was responding to someone who said Pac used roids!!.. I never stated Pac used roids or Floyd used roids and I quoted the chart because it was something similiar to what I wrote months ago on this subject,,in wich again I was arguing that Pac didnt use roids..and frankly I could care less wheter you think the graph is stupid or not...but I do ask that you at least get the facts straight before you comment on a post..Oh when did I use a mayweather accusation in my posts bra!! and please direct me to the post that I said it was a fact that Pac or Floyd used roids..and I will use your words

get out of here man!!!

[MattyEdgeworth]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

No.

Because volume punchers like Paul Williams would go undefeated.

A computer can't track the impact of a punch.

Boxing needs a complete overhaul. A federal investigation and oversight is needed. Can't leave it up to the states anymore because all they care about is bringing income to their cities and then they wipe their hands of all the mess that's left in the ring.

I think I remember reading something in Ring magazine or maybe BadLeftHook about new technology that would allow the impact of a punch to be measured. So maybe sometime in the future something like this could be incorporated along with better judging.

[MattyEdgeworth]

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Why are we talking about Pacquiao "allegedly" being on steroids, when the issue here is how bad the decision was?

This is how these things go, any mention of Pacquaio these days and its inevitable that Floyd or steroids are brought up.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

Yes but I can instantly tell by the PacRoid comment that you are a 'flomo' as much as I hate those stupid terms.

Touching on the 'unicorn' nonsense, you may find this interesting-



Mayweather at 16 years old was fighting at 106 lbs, and has fought as high as 154lbs — and Pacquaio at 16 years old was fighting at 106lbs and now fights at 147. There are minor differences regarding when the weight gains happen- but they have essentially done the same thing. The only difference is that Mayweather was in the amateurs when he was 16 and Pacquaio was a professional, for some reason that makes a difference.

First, you kids better calm down with these derogatory terms directed to me -- I'm not one of these lil' teenagers you are accustomed to talking to on forums. If you want to have a mature conversation about boxing, joking about your favorite boxer's rival, cool, we can do that. But all this 'nuthugger' and 'flomo' stuff is not needed. Again, I'm not a child please give me the respect I'm giving you.

Now here where the 'fluctuating his weight' comment derives from sir:

In March of 2008, he fought Marquez at featherweight
In June of 2008, he fought Diaz at lightweight
In December of 2008, he fought De La Hoya at welterweight
In May of 2009, he fought Hatton at super welterweight
In November 2009, he returned to welterweight to fight Cotto
In July 2010, he fought Margarito at light middleweight
In May 2011, he fought Mosley at welterweight

Now thats not the rare part -- the rare part is that his speed and power never took a hit. I have to reread my post because I'm sure I mentioned that. If you have ever boxed, I have, then you know when move up and down your weight in short periods of time, you sacrifice one or the other. I couldn't find his weigh in weights but everyone knows that that is NOT the weight he will be once he steps inside the ring, especially after having fluids pumped back inside of him. So to go from fighting at around 126 in 2008 to fighting at 147 in 2012 without losing any power or speed -- yeah, thats 'unicorn rare' -- I don't care how you slice it.

And second, your chart is off -- I think you probably just google'd that info anyway but Manny fought De La Hoya at 147 (entered the ring at 148.5) in 2008, so if you please, could you move that line up a little bit more to give a better representation of their weight gain. And now that I actually looked at it, Mayweather fought Mitchell in 2005 at 147. So technically, if I'm reading it correctly, Mayweather's weight should be a little bit more steady once he reached 28 years of age.

Also, I'm in Germany, just started training again -- do you box at all? I'd love to go a couple rounds with an OS'er

[The Bad Man]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

This is how these things go, any mention of Pacquaio these days and its inevitale that Floyd or steroids are brought up.

inevitable. precisely.

the steroid allegations all began when people gave pacquiao the nickname pacman*

pacman is a video game character who eats power pellets and becomes invincible.

the mayweathers started to associate pacquiao to the pacman game character.

they never saw a fighter fight like him before so "he must be on something". the rumor spread like wildfire.

power pellets = these could be the steroids, in actuality.

...

and the rest is history.

[Control-X]

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Nuff said.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...thy-bradley-jr

Whoever wrote that must be in the Mayweather camp, if we're going by OS standards, because Mayweather stated that Arum was dirty and wants to make sure fighters lose if they ever threaten to leave in an old interview.

Couldn't load the whole interview but I'm sure they put Arum's history in there. Cat is grimey!

[MattyEdgeworth]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

First, you kids better calm down with these derogatory terms directed to me -- I'm not one of these lil' teenagers you are accustomed to talking to on forums. If you want to have a mature conversation about boxing, joking about your favorite boxer's rival, cool, we can do that. But all this 'nuthugger' and 'flomo' stuff is not needed. Again, I'm not a child please give me the respect I'm giving you.

Now here where the 'fluctuating his weight' comment derives from sir:

In March of 2008, he fought Marquez at featherweight
In June of 2008, he fought Diaz at lightweight
In December of 2008, he fought De La Hoya at welterweight
In May of 2009, he fought Hatton at super welterweight
In November 2009, he returned to welterweight to fight Cotto
In July 2010, he fought Margarito at light middleweight
In May 2011, he fought Mosley at welterweight

Now thats not the rare part -- the rare part is that his speed and power never took a hit. I have to reread my post because I'm sure I mentioned that. If you have ever boxed, I have, then you know when move up and down your weight in short periods of time, you sacrifice one or the other. I couldn't find his weigh in weights but everyone knows that that is NOT the weight he will be once he steps inside the ring, especially after having fluids pumped back inside of him. So to go from fighting at around 126 in 2008 to fighting at 147 in 2012 without losing any power or speed -- yeah, thats 'unicorn rare' -- I don't care how you slice it.

And second, your chart is off -- I think you probably just google'd that info anyway but Manny fought De La Hoya at 147 (entered the ring at 148.5) in 2008, so if you please, could you move that line up a little bit more to give a better representation of their weight gain. And now that I actually looked at it, Mayweather fought Mitchell in 2005 at 147. So technically, if I'm reading it correctly, Mayweather's weight should be a little bit more steady once he reached 28 years of age.

Also, I'm in Germany, just started training again -- do you box at all? I'd love to go a couple rounds with an OS'er

Yep I box for Monkstown Amateur Boxing Club, although I haven't had a fight yet. I was planning on getting one early in the year but I have very important exams so I've been revising for those and have only been in the gym twice in the past month or so, thankfully they are nearly over so I'm hopeful of getting one soon at the ulsters

and yep I found the chart when I googled it, I was actually looking for the photo that Control-X posted which proves that the weights gains aren't strange. Although that seemingly isn't what you were saying anyway.

As for him keeping his speed and power being unusual, I agree it is unusal, That alone doesn't mean that he's on steroids, it simply means he's a special fighter. It was thought to be impossible when Henry Armstrong did it, and as far as I'm concerned it's the same here.

[MattyEdgeworth]

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Also, I'm not saying that I know for certain that Pacquaio isn't on steroids just that I don't believe he is and think it is wrong to throw insults like PacRoid about based purely on speculation.

Also, I was looking for a great article I read a whle ago about this subject, its written by an actual scientist who knows all about this stuff. Anyway, I just found and I think you should give it a read, it's very interesting- http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/3/15...d-analysts-and

[edaddy]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

Also, I'm not saying that I know for certain that Pacquaio isn't on steroids just that I don't believe he is and think it is wrong to throw insults like PacRoid about based purely on speculation.

Also, I was looking for a great article I read a whle ago about this subject, its written by an actual scientist who knows all about this stuff. Anyway, I just found and I think you should give it a read, it's very interesting- http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/3/15...d-analysts-and

Interesting article..

[Vast]

Re: Pacquiao vs Bradley: rigged or not rigged?

I just saw the fight again, and Bradley did win the last 3 rounds........