Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

[SHAKYR]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

I don't know Shakyr. I have a hard time believing that old time fighters like Ali, Greb, Ketchel, Robinson, etc wouldn't thrive today.
There is hardly any difference with boxers from 100 years ago compared to today simply because the training has barely changed.
They still run, spar, skip, hit the bag, etc.

It's not like football or basketball where back in the day, the players would drink beer on the couch during the offseason. Players today train 12-months a year and training methods and intelligence has soared. At one point, weight training was frowned upon in baseball.
But with boxing, the same training techniques have been around for hundreds of years.

A lot of the new weight classes have only been around for 50 years. Some even earlier like Super Middleweight which was dreamed up in 1986.
I have a really hard time believing that the 115lb Super Flyweight division was absolutely necessary to save the lives of those who could only choose between Bantamweight (118) and Flyweight (112).

These extra weights are nothing but a cash grab for promoters and for fighters to duck one another.

If safety is really a factor, then boxing should change it's rules to force fighters to weigh-in 2 hours before a fight.
As it is now, guys balloon to ridiculous weights 24-hours after weigh-in.
Gatti retired a fighter because despite fighting at 140, he came in at 160 while his opponent weighted 143. Gatti nearly shattered the guys face.
How is that fair or safe?

If you stick with 8 or 9 weight classes and force guys to actually weight their limit when they get in the ring, THEN you will not only see safer fights, but also a lot more exciting ones because you won't have dozens of good fighters hiding behind a fake weight class to avoid fighting the best of the best.

I have been to many gym in my life time and I hear the old timers say the boxers today have more distraction than back in the days but training wise there is a huge difference. Boxers are somewhat physically bigger, taller and stronger.
The boxers today have top notch equipment and training. Weightlifting was a no no back in the days.
Rocky Marciano wouldn't have made it in today's heavyweight division or cruiser.

[Money99]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

I have been to many gym in my life time and I hear the old timers say the boxers today have more distraction than back in the days but training wise there is a huge difference. Boxers are somewhat physically bigger, taller and stronger.
The boxers today have top notch equipment and training. Weightlifting was a no no back in the days.
Rocky Marciano wouldn't have made it in today's heavyweight division or cruiser.

Can I ask what training equipment boxers have today that they didn't back 100 years ago that makes them stronger fighters? Enough to make it dangerous not to have catchweights?

[JayBee74]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

Rocky Marciano wouldn't have made it in today's heavyweight division or cruiser.

I don't know about that. And cruiserweight? Really?

Not sure what you mean about "not making it"? How far are you going with that?

[SHAKYR]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

It's plain and simple much of the equipment didn't exist in the past. You have oxygen tanks and masks, you have the elastic straps, parachutes, etc. You even have machine many of these boxers use and weightlifting which was forbidden back in the past.

http://www.boxing.com/old_school.html

http://www.mensfitness.com/leisure/s...rs-of-all-time

"DOES 2 LBS MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN BOXING??

It really depends what weight and what their "walking around" weight is... ofcourse I'm talking about Mayweather vs. Canelo..
Canelo fights at 154 , but Mayweather ordered the fight to be at 152..

You know Mayweather won't sign to a fight like THIS without his little perks...
He either want's to catch you TOO BIG or TOO SMALL... In this case with CANELO, it CAN play a roll in the outcome ..

2 lbs isn't a big difference for fighters in the HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION maybe... Because in those higher weight classes, more weight means MORE POWER...(that is if you're working out of course)

BUT in the Middleweights, 154-160 lbs, More weight CAN mean SLOWER FIGHTER.. but we're talking about 2 LBS lighter, not heavier...
okay..

As far As I know, MAYWEATHER at first wanted to pull CANELO all the way back down to WELTERWEIGHT 147 LBS or no fight... But everyone knew that CANELO struggled to get at 147 lbs /basically wants him to be over worked out by the time fight night came around... 154 is JR. MIDDLEWEIGHT, Canelo makes 154 lbs when he fights and then rehydrates back to 185 when he's NOT training.. now for MAYWEATHER , him ordering CANELO to drop 2 lbs, is one of two things...one, a psychological powertrip on the part of mayweather, knowing that canelo has to work THAT TINY BIT extra to loose the weight, risking overworkouts or NOT make the weight at all.. of course, Canelo, being the mexican that he is, will fight mayweather even if he had a fever.. but will this play a role in the fight?? MAYBE, because i seen it happen before... just by a couple of pounds... at 154, Canelo is almost SOLID MUSCLE, now imagine, shaving off 2 lbs of muscle, considering you have no more fat to easily loose?? he'd have to watch his meals and such...2 lbs wont make a difference in the higher weight classes, but in the 154-160 area, it DOES make somewhat of a difference... ESPECIALLY if both fighters are extremely fit..

I know alot about that weight class, because When I used to train fully, I was inbetween 154 and 168...When I was trying to make "jr middleweight" (154) I felt the strongest ever, fit, limber, agile, fresh young..but when I went down to 150, due extra road work, (I think i also worked out MORE than I ATE) I felt like i was always tired or sore, and weak, boney, I swear you couldn't tell me appart from a crackhead...

bottom line, 4 athletic lbs made a dramatic difference in my performance, now 2 lbs, I CAN SEE making a little dent... BUT THAT LITTLE DENT is enough for mayweather to capitalize on and outbox his ears off...
Mayweather will have to RUN like he just got caught with the farmer's daughter, and Canelo will have to gut mayweather's stomach like a juicy Barracuda Fish... to cut Mayweather's leg movement... Floyd's shoulder roll, is vulnerable to a hook to the TOP of the head... people don't really pay attention to this...they always aim for MAYWEAHTER'S CHIN... no, wrong, his CHIN is always guarded by that right glove and left shoulder, it's like smoke n mirrors, it LOOKS open, but when you go for it, he rolls it off, and BAMM!! counter right cross...and that's how he wins all his fights, waits, and counters aaaaaaaall night... now, if Canelo can rough up mayweather with mexican liver shots, and hooks to the TOP of the head and discombobulate mayweather, then Canelo has a GREAT GREAT chance of beating Floyd...

IF THOSE 2 LBS DO come in effect, then Canelo will slow down and tire out by round 8 or 9 and Mayweather will be dinging em and ringing em to a points decision win.... WHAT MEXICANS SHOULD HOPE FOR , IS CANELO'S MEXICAN POWER... Because that is the ONLY thing that will beat floyd...Canelo will NOT outbox floyd, NO ONE WILL, you need to knock him out...and the only way to do that, is doing what Jose Luis Castillo did to mayweather with his rough and tumble, mexican mauling style...Castillo won the fight, but the judges robbed him and gave the win to mayweather...so mayweather SHOULD have at least ONE loss, but he DID redeem himself by completely dominating Castillo in the rematch, a whole lot easier... the only other TOUGH fight mayweather had was against COTTO, and we saw how cotto got spanked by TROUT, and we saw how CANELO did against TROUT...

... It's not impossible... REMEMBER, BUSTER DOUGLAS was a 42-1 UNDERDOG when he knocked out the undefeated MIKE TYSON....

(POWER AND HEART are the keys)"

[Don Figures]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

Count my vote in for a REALISTIC SIM BOXING GAME!!! The current and past EA boxing efforts always turn out to be an arcade slugfest ending with who has the best overhand right. Fatigue, punching volume, boxing skill, etc needs to be accounting for in the next gen game!!.

Give me Sim!!!

[SHAKYR]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

Count my vote in for a REALISTIC SIM BOXING GAME!!! The current and past EA boxing efforts always turn out to be an arcade slugfest ending with who has the best overhand right. Fatigue, punching volume, boxing skill, etc needs to be accounting for in the next gen game!!.

Give me Sim!!!

I'm glad there fans who still want the sweet science instead of the same back and forth rock 'em sock 'em robot gameplay. It's no major variety to boxers skills & capabilities in Fight Night.

[SPRINGS03]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

I'm glad there fans who still want the sweet science instead of the same back and forth rock 'em sock 'em robot gameplay. It's no major variety to boxers skills & capabilities in Fight Night.

Yeah i definitely want a realistic sim game, but that means that EA CANADA shouldn't have any part in making the next boxing game, that development team was a joke and clearly didn't know much about boxing. Fight night champion had potential but was such an abomination of a game. Just awful.

It's been a great past few years with boxing with some great matches, the demand for a boxing game shouldn't be overlooked by video game developers.

[SHAKYR]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

Yeah i definitely want a realistic sim game, but that means that EA CANADA shouldn't have any part in making the next boxing game, that development team was a joke and clearly didn't know much about boxing. Fight night champion had potential but was such an abomination of a game. Just awful.

It's been a great past few years with boxing with some great matches, the demand for a boxing game shouldn't be overlooked by video game developers.

I definitely agree!

[Artman22]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

At this point I'd be extremely happy if we were told that a new boxing game is being developed for the NG systems, but no more arcade boxing games. Boxing is my favorite sport.


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[RACZILLA]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

Can I ask what training equipment boxers have today that they didn't back 100 years ago that makes them stronger fighters? Enough to make it dangerous not to have catchweights?

So I'm way late on this discussion but I was reading through the thread and thinking about this today.

I always have a tough time comparing fighters from different eras. To SHAKYR's point, there have been some advancements over the last 100 years in terms of what fighters have at their disposal. I do agree with you that much of the training has been consistent, which is actually a credit to the sport IMO that some of these techniques have lasted the test of time.

That being said, if you literally go back 100 years, one of the most significant differences is the overall health and life expectancy of people. In 1914 the average American male only lived to be 52. Today we've got a guy nearly that age who is still relevant at light-heavy.

Then of course you look at size where Jack Johnson was called the Galveston Giant at 6'2, which would put him at a considerable disadvantage today against the biggest guys in that division.

If you gave some of the past fighters the same nutrition, training, and equipment that fighters have today, would some of them be able to compete? Absolutely. And I do think fighters at that time maybe in general were a little tougher, but you also have to consider that the life of the average person was really difficult, so the average person was a bit tougher as well.

The further into the 20th century you go, the easier the argument is to make IMO that some of the greats could compete with today's fighters. I think guys like Robinson and Ali would still have made an impact today. When you start talking about guys like Ketchel it's a lot tougher to know for sure.

Lastly, I'll say that one thing you mentioned did strike me as a little odd. You mentioned having less divisions but that you'd want fighters to weigh in on the same day. I think you can make an argument for both of these things separately, but together I don't know if they make sense. Because people today are better nourished than they were 100 years ago, you've got a larger spectrum in terms of heights and weights. The idea of having fighters weigh in on the same day as the fight makes a lot of sense IMO. You'd have more people fighting closer to their natural weights and take some of the danger out of the cuts.Still, if you're going to do that I think you've got to have enough classes that someone can realistically make a weigh that's somewhere close to what they'd be naturally.

On the other side of that coin I can understand the interest of combining classes. You'll have a better talent pool at each weight and can likely make better fights and draw more interest to the sport. But if you're going to do that you'll force fighters who naturally way well above or below the limit to be at a disadvantage. So in that case I think it makes sense to give someone more time before a fight to recover.

Historically you'd see guys like the aforementioned Ketchel or Joe Gans move up in weight to fight Heavys like Sam Langford. Was it probably entertaining? I think so. Did the smaller guys typically win? Not too often. So while it could be interesting, I'm a bigger fan of the second idea of same day weigh-ins. I don't know if that and the other idea are compatible.

[SHAKYR]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

So I'm way late on this discussion but I was reading through the thread and thinking about this today.

I always have a tough time comparing fighters from different eras. To SHAKYR's point, there have been some advancements over the last 100 years in terms of what fighters have at their disposal. I do agree with you that much of the training has been consistent, which is actually a credit to the sport IMO that some of these techniques have lasted the test of time.

That being said, if you literally go back 100 years, one of the most significant differences is the overall health and life expectancy of people. In 1914 the average American male only lived to be 52. Today we've got a guy nearly that age who is still relevant at light-heavy.

Then of course you look at size where Jack Johnson was called the Galveston Giant at 6'2, which would put him at a considerable disadvantage today against the biggest guys in that division.

If you gave some of the past fighters the same nutrition, training, and equipment that fighters have today, would some of them be able to compete? Absolutely. And I do think fighters at that time maybe in general were a little tougher, but you also have to consider that the life of the average person was really difficult, so the average person was a bit tougher as well.

The further into the 20th century you go, the easier the argument is to make IMO that some of the greats could compete with today's fighters. I think guys like Robinson and Ali would still have made an impact today. When you start talking about guys like Ketchel it's a lot tougher to know for sure.

Lastly, I'll say that one thing you mentioned did strike me as a little odd. You mentioned having less divisions but that you'd want fighters to weigh in on the same day. I think you can make an argument for both of these things separately, but together I don't know if they make sense. Because people today are better nourished than they were 100 years ago, you've got a larger spectrum in terms of heights and weights. The idea of having fighters weigh in on the same day as the fight makes a lot of sense IMO. You'd have more people fighting closer to their natural weights and take some of the danger out of the cuts.Still, if you're going to do that I think you've got to have enough classes that someone can realistically make a weigh that's somewhere close to what they'd be naturally.

On the other side of that coin I can understand the interest of combining classes. You'll have a better talent pool at each weight and can likely make better fights and draw more interest to the sport. But if you're going to do that you'll force fighters who naturally way well above or below the limit to be at a disadvantage. So in that case I think it makes sense to give someone more time before a fight to recover.

Historically you'd see guys like the aforementioned Ketchel or Joe Gans move up in weight to fight Heavys like Sam Langford. Was it probably entertaining? I think so. Did the smaller guys typically win? Not too often. So while it could be interesting, I'm a bigger fan of the second idea of same day weigh-ins. I don't know if that and the other idea are compatible.

Dang! You hit it right on the head. You made my point clearly! This is exactly what I'm talking about. Know can you pick Brizzo or Jazz brain to see if they hint at another Fight Night game. I was trying to get Peter Moore to spill the beans on Twitter.

[RACZILLA]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

Dang! You hit it right on the head. You made my point clearly! This is exactly what I'm talking about. Know can you pick Brizzo or Jazz brain to see if they hint at another Fight Night game. I was trying to get Peter Moore to spill the beans on Twitter.

I don't know either of them all that well, really. I'm sure they are focused on the task at hand though. Hopefully their UFC game does well as it could create some confidence in the combat sports category.

[SHAKYR]

Re: Boxing videogame campaign, do you want another boxing game?

I don't know either of them all that well, really. I'm sure they are focused on the task at hand though. Hopefully their UFC game does well as it could create some confidence in the combat sports category.

Oh ok, I agree the success of the UFC game can be a good thing I hope.