How do change a Casual fan into a hardcore: The posts and debates

[SHAKYR]

This is going to be a series of discussions from fans who want the series to take the next step in realism.

[Can EA educate the Fight Night fans about boxing through Fight Night?]

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/4938789.page

You know what would add to the game? Write ups or short bios of each licensed boxer! I sure as hell would like to know about the guys I'm fighting with/against, it gives them personality.

Be it a separate section in the menu, or a little pop up you can choose to view when selecting your boxer, just something to really educate the fans about boxing!

"POETICDRINK2U wrote:
I say yes, if that is their overall goal. They need to make a game that represents boxing fully. Does Fight Night Champion do this? No! I must say the game is taking steps in the right direction. How big of a step I will keep to myself; for now!



In the words of Mack Mittenz......

Make Boxing!
GIFSoup

that's all we want nothing more nothing less."


FNC won't educate people about boxing, because the basics are misrepresented. As simple as that.

A boxing game should represent boxing from A to Z, just like how basketball games represent basketball as it is.

I would prefer a good punch reaction from a counter than a big flash anytime.
You won't see ground shaking or big flashes when someone dunked a ball, because it doesn't happen when you watch a basketball game.

I can write a lot more things, but my first sentence sums it all up.

"POETICDRINK2U wrote:

ej1002 wrote:
and how do you define boxing?



You are new here if you have to ask me of all people. Boxing is everything you see in boxing. You have the different boxing styles, the different punch speeds different boxers have, you have the different tendencies, ring generalship, movement, different referees with different criteria's, different judges with different tendencies, you have promoters, managers,trainers...the atmosphere like press conferences, staredowns, touching of the gloves, the referee giving instructions, the weigh-ins, the doctor stopping fights, the doctor tending to you after a KO/TKO.


...............I can go on and on but to sum it all up just make boxing!"

I'm with you here...at first I thought you were on some b.s. I think what we have with FNC is what we had back when we played nba live before the nba2k series dropped.... Everyone thought live was fun and then when 2k dropped we realized that we had been playing an arcade game for years. I think EA can give this to us in time and this game is a positive step in that direction...trust me!! One of the few things that we have as consumers these days is power with our voices and word of mouth! Proof of that would be the nba2k vs nbalive series... Just be patient, it will come! For now lets just enjoy what we have and look to the future! I do agree with you though that there are alot of things that could make the game more lifelike...but I'd bet money that we aren't far away from being satisfied!

If you educate someone on something their interest goes up and that is a good thing. There are more people who follow boxing that are customers of this game. Their are also fans who can learn about if the right representation and depth is added.

Boxing always has gone through it's dry spell. Boxing will never die.

I will be posting various debates I have been going through with the producers and fans at a later time.

[Fight Night needs an Advisory Council]

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/8472601.page

[POETICDRINK2U=quote]

http://www.analoghype.com/video-games/join-the-ea-sports-nba-live-advisory-council/

They need a group of boxers, trainers, and gamers who know the sport to give them detailed advice. They are/is going to do this with their upcoming NBA Live 13 basketball game.[/quote]

[POETICDRINK2U=quote]

eddie chambers might be up for it.

Yes, He said he was up for it. I did a interview with him on a podcast with the rest of the Fight Night Podcast crew (Indigo, Reignmaka, Poeticdrink2u, and special guest)

He said they need consultants too the way other sports games have.

Just opened the link. Hopefully the FN franchise receives enough support from EA so that a program like this would exist instead of using us as test subjects.

I agree.[/quote]

eddie chambers might be up for it.

Yes, He said he was up for it. I did a interview with him on a podcast with the rest of the Fight Night Podcast crew (Indigo, Reignmaka, Poeticdrink2u, and special guest)

He said they need consultants too the way other sports games have.

Just opened the link. Hopefully the FN franchise receives enough support from EA so that a program like this would exist instead of using us as test subjects.

I agree.

yes i remember the interview he gave good detailed feedback.

it seems to me that the devs wouldn,t have no trouble reaching out to a guy like eddie.

i am sure there are more boxers who would be willing to lend there assistance if asked.

the trouble is ea, they don,t take boxing seriously as a sport.

i think they see fight night more as a fighting game than a sports game.

i have seen small improvements in some areas of the franchise over the years thanks to all the wish lists and fan input over the years.

sadly though these improvements have not reached legacy mode which is my main thing, and to me constitutes the best avenue for a total boxing experience, more so than just playing online or a champion mode.

[The wish list for Fight Night Round 5 has been sent]

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/90/314728.page

Apologies for entering the fray so late ...
The development team have been in constant contact with members of the community team via email but I'd like to take the time to publicly thank each of you…especially our forum mods…for contributing to the wish list.
I’ve read the doc multiple times and keep a printed copy on my desk which other dev team members borrow and review.
We appreciate your passion for the game and we’re striving to improve and deliver as much of what you’re asking for as possible.
That said, I think everyone should keep in mind it is unlikely we’ll be able to deliver every feature being requested…but we’ll try our best.

For the record…
There is another Fight Night 4 DLC Pack and Title Update coming out that addresses some of the issues brought up in this forum.
I CAN’T give you the exact details and dates yet but the development team has not dropped FN4 and moved on.

Thanks again for your suggestions....keep them coming.

-Mike

I'm just going to quote myself, because I think I've already made my point of view pretty clear...

I don't believe there are any forum threads or interviews where you will find members of the Dev team saying, "sim won't sell". That's never been our position. We're not opposed to making the game more sim.

Dude, feel free to criticize the choices we make all you want. But please don't make assumptions about the amount of effort this team puts into the game because you don't agree with them.

Like I said, people that have issues with certain decisions we made and that want to give us constructive criticism, I can live with and I listen to, happily. People that act like we made the worst boxing game ever and believe its because we're half-assing it, just trying to rip people off... there's really no point in listening to what they have to say. They're too irrational to offer anything fruitful to the discussion.

In other words...

You don't like camera shakes? Cool.
You don't like screen flashes? Alright.
You don't like camera zooms? Understood.
You think the jab should be more impactful? I get it.
You think guys shouldn't be able to take 4 hooks from Tyson? I hear what you're saying.
You want the AI to behave more realistically? Me too.
You wish that no exploits existed? Don't get me started.

We're working on this stuff, and more

You want to calls us names and disparage the effort we put forth? I hope it makes you feel better. Because I don't see what other purpose it serves?

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Re: How to change a Casual fan into a hardcore: The posts and debates

I definitely think the game has gotten away from any sort of teaching in the game. If I'm remember correctly in some of the old fight nights they had either bios or something telling you about each fighter's career. I would love for Fight Night to come back and sort of mimic what NBA2K did with the Jordan Challenges. Have some sort of career mode where you can play through the careers of different fighters and covering the highs and lows of the different careers.

Maybe even include video highlights in game of different fighters real fights.

Have a tutorial mode explaining some of the nuances of the sport and how they've incorporated them into the game such as the importance of foot placement, jabs, feints, different fighting styles.

[SHAKYR]

Re: How to change a Casual fan into a hardcore: The posts and debates

I definitely think the game has gotten away from any sort of teaching in the game. If I'm remember correctly in some of the old fight nights they had either bios or something telling you about each fighter's career. I would love for Fight Night to come back and sort of mimic what NBA2K did with the Jordan Challenges. Have some sort of career mode where you can play through the careers of different fighters and covering the highs and lows of the different careers.

Maybe even include video highlights in game of different fighters real fights.

Have a tutorial mode explaining some of the nuances of the sport and how they've incorporated them into the game such as the importance of foot placement, jabs, feints, different fighting styles.

I couldn't agree more with your post!

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Re: How do change a Casual fan into a hardcore: The posts and debates

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[SHAKYR]

Re: How do change a Casual fan into a hardcore: The posts and debates

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