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  • pk500
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    • Jul 2002
    • 8062

    #3766
    Re: Boxing Off-Topic

    Originally posted by ggsimmonds
    Mayweather said that he could have outboxed him and won every round on points like he normally does but he felt the fans deserved to see him go for the KO after the Manny fight.
    That's BS PR spin. Mayweather never has given two craps about the fans. Saturday was no exception. He went for the KO because it was available and because McGregor was fatigued and his power in a boxing ring was overrated.

    In other words, McGregor was a sitting duck in rounds 8-10 for a KO. So Mayweather, ever the low-risk opportunist, took advantage of that.

    It's time for everyone to acknowledge that boxing power and MMA power are different.

    Boxers use bigger gloves, and mass x velocity = force. Newton's Second Law of Motion. So a punch with a boxing glove should deliver more force because the glove is heavier; maybe the lighter glove of MMA creates more velocity, so it's a wash.

    But boxers are taught and hone much more compact, powerful punching technique than MMA fighters. MMA fighters also are far more open to being hit by big shots, exaggerating power, because of their open stances and low hand placement to protect against ground attacks.

    It's also obvious that it's tougher to block shots with smaller MMA gloves, which exacerbates the perception of power.

    Maybe McGregor could have concussive power in the ring if he trained exclusively for boxing. But his boxing power looked overrated to me Saturday night. Compare a puncher like James Kirkland at 154 or Andy Lee and GGG at 160 to McGregor (who probably was close to 170 on fight night), and McGregor looks like pillow hands.

    McGregor never came close to cranking Mayweather with anything approaching the shot Shane Mosley landed in the second round of his 147-pound fight against Mayweather despite McGregor's vaunted power. Mayweather survived Mosley's bomb, so his vastly underrated chin had no problem weathering McGregor's best shot.

    I was very impressed by McGregor's boxing skill and footwork Saturday night. I was not impressed by his power.
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    • pk500
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 8062

      #3767
      Re: Boxing Off-Topic

      Originally posted by ggsimmonds
      Lets reframe the discussion to see if we can reach agreement. Floyd did not give away the first two rounds, but he was not concerned with winning them. Subtle difference but perhaps a worthwhile distinction?
      Agree 100 percent. Perhaps the only unanimous and correct pre-fight assessment of McGregor was that he would tire, would not be prepared for the stamina needed for a 12-round boxing match.

      Mayweather knew that, too.
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      • Jukeman
        Showtime
        • Aug 2005
        • 10955

        #3768
        Re: Boxing Off-Topic

        Originally posted by pk500
        That's BS PR spin. Mayweather never has given two craps about the fans. Saturday was no exception. He went for the KO because it was available and because McGregor was fatigued and his power in a boxing ring was overrated.



        In other words, McGregor was a sitting duck in rounds 8-10 for a KO. So Mayweather, ever the low-risk opportunist, took advantage of that.


        Do you think Mayweather regressed so much that he had to completely ditch his fighting style to compete with someone making their pro debut?

        Maybe he went for the KO because it was available because of the strategy he went with? The guy didn't even spar during training so he can protect his brittle hands so he can perhaps get a KO.


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        • ggsimmonds
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jan 2009
          • 11235

          #3769
          Re: Boxing Off-Topic

          Originally posted by aholbert32
          Lets not do that. I can go to a few points that I made that you straight up ignored but thats understandable. We are writing alot.

          Speaking of that, my response was:

          "Floyd Mayweather is perhaps the worst boxer to try to show you hit with power. He's been fought 50 times and has maybe been rocked 4 or 5 times and 3 of those were before he became a defensive master later in his career. Also, Conor landed the straight a number of times and a couple of uppercuts that landed strongly."

          Basically I disagreed with you. I dont think it was "nonexistant" and I gave examples where I though Conor showed some power. I also stated that Floyd is EXTREMELY hard to hurt. Later, I stated that Floyd didnt start walking him down until the 4th and that Conor's stamina would likely affect his power. Now if you dont agree that stamina affects someones power, we can agree to disagree.

          My point was his power was there but Floyd strategy and skill made it not as effective as it would be.
          So what you are saying is that this entire exchange is built around your taking my "nonexistent" line literally?

          ...Are you sure you are not being overly defensive with Conor?

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #3770
            Re: Boxing Off-Topic

            Originally posted by ggsimmonds
            So what you are saying is that this entire exchange is built around your taking my "nonexistent" line literally?

            ...Are you sure you are not being overly defensive with Conor?
            I took it literally because you wrote it.

            The internet and this forum are the only places where people say **** and then get mad when you take them seriously. LOL.

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            • aholbert32
              (aka Alberto)
              • Jul 2002
              • 33106

              #3771
              Re: Boxing Off-Topic

              Originally posted by Jukeman
              Do you think Mayweather regressed so much that he had to completely ditch his fighting style to compete with someone making their pro debut?

              Maybe he went for the KO because it was available because of the strategy he went with? The guy didn't even spar during training so he can protect his brittle hands so he can perhaps get a KO.


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              There are conflicting stories about whether he sparred. Floyd said he didnt but Floyd isnt always the most reliable source when it comes to him. Ellerbee said that Floyd had prepared for Conor's awkward style. Now the best way to do that is to spar. He couldve just watched tape but Floyd has never been a big tape watcher if I recall correctly or Ellerbee could be lying.

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              • ggsimmonds
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jan 2009
                • 11235

                #3772
                Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                Originally posted by pk500
                That's BS PR spin. Mayweather never has given two craps about the fans. Saturday was no exception. He went for the KO because it was available and because McGregor was fatigued and his power in a boxing ring was overrated.

                In other words, McGregor was a sitting duck in rounds 8-10 for a KO. So Mayweather, ever the low-risk opportunist, took advantage of that.
                It may be PR spin.

                Then again prior to the fight a lot of things that Floyd said we labeled as PR spin but it turned out he was being truthful.

                I think I am going to believe him this time. I do think he went out with the goal of stopping the fight short of 12. And I think he adopted a strategy that would best allow for that. That strategy explains why he wasn't point chasing.

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                • ggsimmonds
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 11235

                  #3773
                  Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  I took it literally because you wrote it.

                  The internet and this forum are the only places where people say **** and then get mad when you take them seriously. LOL.
                  I ain't mad man, stop accusing me of being mad because that might eventually make me mad

                  Next time someone says boxers wear pillows on their hands I fully expect you to chime in and correct them by stating that those are not in fact pillows but boxing gloves.

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                  • ggsimmonds
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11235

                    #3774
                    Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                    Originally posted by aholbert32
                    There are conflicting stories about whether he sparred. Floyd said he didnt but Floyd isnt always the most reliable source when it comes to him. Ellerbee said that Floyd had prepared for Conor's awkward style. Now the best way to do that is to spar. He couldve just watched tape but Floyd has never been a big tape watcher if I recall correctly or Ellerbee could be lying.
                    Doesn't the claim that he is not a big tape watcher also come from Floyd himself?

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #3775
                      Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                      I ain't mad man, stop accusing me of being mad because that might eventually make me mad

                      Next time someone says boxers wear pillows on their hands I fully expect you to chime in and correct them by stating that those are not in fact pillows but boxing gloves.
                      LOL. Deal.

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                      • aholbert32
                        (aka Alberto)
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 33106

                        #3776
                        Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                        Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                        Doesn't the claim that he is not a big tape watcher also come from Floyd himself?
                        I think it does so who the hell knows. I just dont buy the no sparring thing though from someone who is so used to doing that for every fight. Now do I think he sparred as much as he did for Cotto/Pac/Maidana or any other boxer? Nope but I do think he sparred some.

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                        • ggsimmonds
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 11235

                          #3777
                          Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          I think it does so who the hell knows. I just dont buy the no sparring thing though from someone who is so used to doing that for every fight. Now do I think he sparred as much as he did for Cotto/Pac/Maidana or any other boxer? Nope but I do think he sparred some.
                          Just to possibly clear something up, he did not say he never sparred, only that he didn't in the past month.
                          Edit: at least I think that is what I heard him say

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                          • pk500
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 8062

                            #3778
                            Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by Jukeman
                            Do you think Mayweather regressed so much that he had to completely ditch his fighting style to compete with someone making their pro debut?
                            Not regression. Caution. He never had seen any style like McGregor's in his entire career because McGregor's stance, hand position and footwork were so unorthodox for boxing.

                            Originally posted by Jukeman
                            Maybe he went for the KO because it was available because of the strategy he went with? The guy didn't even spar during training so he can protect his brittle hands so he can perhaps get a KO.
                            Another line of crap. I don't doubt he didn't spar for the last month of camp. But he wanted to protect his brittle hands to ensure his pay day this year instead of the fight being postponed, delaying his retirement.

                            Plus late August is the PERFECT time for big pay-per-view profits since it's such a dead time in the sports year. Mayweather gets a healthy cut of the PPV profits, so he wants to ensure the fight takes place with maximum PPV earnings potential.

                            Think about it: What else was going on in the sports world last Saturday night other than the dog days of baseball and NFL preseason football, which are sports' equivalent to watching concrete harden?

                            Money matters more than anything on Earth to Mayweather. So you can damn well believe he will do everything possible to maximize his income, which means protecting his hands to keep the fight scheduled Aug. 26.

                            Man, do some of you believe everything Mayweather says? He's so full of sh*t half the time that his brain is like a septic tank that needs to be pumped.
                            Last edited by pk500; 08-28-2017, 06:29 PM.
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                            • pk500
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 8062

                              #3779
                              Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                              Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                              Just to possibly clear something up, he did not say he never sparred, only that he didn't in the past month.
                              Edit: at least I think that is what I heard him say
                              Correct. Mayweather said he didn't spar the last month of camp, not that he didn't spar at all.
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                              • Jukeman
                                Showtime
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 10955

                                #3780
                                Boxing Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by pk500
                                Not regression. Caution. He never had seen any style like McGregor's in his entire career because McGregor's stance, hand position and footwork were so unorthodox for boxing.







                                Another line of crap. I don't doubt he didn't spar for the last month of camp. But he wanted to protect his brittle hands to ensure his pay day this year instead of the fight being postponed, delaying his retirement.



                                Plus late August is the PERFECT time for big pay-per-view profits since it's such a dead time in the sports year. Think about it: What else was going on in the sports world last Saturday night other than the dog days of baseball and NFL preseason football, which are sports' equivalent to watching concrete harden?



                                Man, do some of you believe everything Mayweather says? He's so full of sh*t half the time that he's like a septic tank that needs to be pumped.


                                You're right, it's easy to just believe your assumptions rather than the man in question. [emoji57]

                                Heh, maybe his hands aren't brittle at all and just say that he broke his hand in majority of his fights to make himself look good [emoji28]



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                                Last edited by Jukeman; 08-28-2017, 06:33 PM.

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