Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

[Sundown2600]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Was at a fight party and everyone in the house went CRAZY when Floyd did this! Lol. Looking forward to the build up to Money's next fight for the same cycle. Ppl calling Mayweather a runner, ppl calling him arrogant, ppl giving his opponent unrealistic chances of winning...and then watching Floyd dismantle another very good, even great fighter.

Floyd is just too good and will remain so for at least the next 2 yrs. By then he could be worth 200-300 million. Sounds like an amazing career to me.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

I'd love to see Floyd fight Khan to be honest. Khan is so cocky when he really has no reason to be, that glass chin of his, Floyd would have a field day.

There's no way to effectively promote that fight. Khan isn't even one of the 5-6 best guys in his own weight class. Of course Khan wants to fight Mayweather; who doesn't at this point? I mean, I'd like to fight Mayweather, too (and get dropped in 2-seconds, followed by collecting a $1-mil of 'easy money' ). But there has to be some chance, infinitesimal though it may be, that the opponent could theoretically win the bout. Otherwise, you're promoting a Harlem Globetrotters-Washington Generals game.

I'm not sure there is a fight out there that people want to see Mayweather in, although I never doubt his ability to promote a fight. Maybe Garcia. Maybe Broner? Although Mayweather-Broner would be about as stimulating as Ambien...

Mayweather is just in a class of 1 right now, and that bout with Canelo just showed that when he's on his game, he's effectively unbeatable. People keep trying to pressure him, body punch him, crowd him, whatever the philosophy is, but until his skills or reflexes start slipping, he's not going to be beaten. Every fight ends up the same - Mayweather ducks, shucks, jives, and pot-shots, and by round 9-10 it's obvious the other guy needs a KO, which is never forthcoming by that point in the fight. What was most surprising to me about the Alvarez fight was how much like all of Mayweather's other fights it looked. The hype machine was strong, but in the end, replace Canelo with any of the other 44 guys Mayweather's fought, and Canelo effectively did no better.

It was almost too good of a performance in a way, because now it doesn't seem like there are any serious challengers for him to build a fight against.

[fistofrage]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Floyd put on a great performance last Saturday. Almost too great. Unless he fights Sergio Martinez, which won't happen, I'm not spending $75 to watch the fight live. Too much $ when I already know the outcome.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Floyd put on a great performance last Saturday. Almost too great. Unless he fights Sergio Martinez, which won't happen, I'm not spending $75 to watch the fight live. Too much $ when I already know the outcome.

I would agree with this. It's odd to say (and only in boxing!), but the fact that he looked so unbeatable against what was billed as arguably his best opponent to date (at least in regards to the opponent's chances to actually win the fight) makes it harder for him to come up with any more fights of interest. You're asking people to spend $75, the fight card better be an event. If it's just a Mayweather fight against some guy who's got no chance...what's the point?

The only way to make a Mayweather fight interesting at this point is to have the only judge be CJ Ross. If you forgive me going off on a short tangent, I think everyone should stop giving her the benefit of the doubt and referring to her card as 'incompetence'. Let's be clear: it's obvious, blatant, transparent corruption. The only way it could be more clear is if there were literally videotape of her taking a bag full of cash with a dollar sign on it from a "Fat Tony"-looking mobster. Short of that, this is as obvious as it gets. It's not that she saw the fight differently - which strains credulity to the point of absurdity - it's that some wiseguys made a ton of money by prop betting a Mayweather majority decision outcome. There is literally no other reasonable explanation for that card.

Frankly, I thought the other judge's cards were much too close as well - even those are a bit suspect in my opinion. The ridiculousness of CJ Ross' card overshadowed the fact that somehow, some way, Dave Moretti (116-112) and Craig Metcalfe (117-111) found a way to give more than 2 rounds to Canelo. I defy anyone to point to 3 rounds that Canelo won, even giving him every advantage you can possibly imagine.

If this were the NFL, there'd be a federal investigation. Luckily, the ham-fisted corruption in our beloved niche sport is basically viewed by most of the public as added "charm" to an otherwise seedy (and in most of the public's mind, largely irrelevant) enterprise.

[Boltman]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

The whole notion of Canelo ever even winning one round is absurd to me. I re watched it a second time to truly see if I could possibly see Canelo taking any single round and I just don't see it. In my eyes and obviously this is just my opinion, Mayweather won every round.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

The whole notion of Canelo ever even winning one round is absurd to me. I re watched it a second time to truly see if I could possibly see Canelo taking any single round and I just don't see it. In my eyes and obviously this is just my opinion, Mayweather won every round.

You're not alone.

[N51_rob]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

I gave him the 5th round I think for the simple reason it was his best round of the fight and Mayweahter didn't really so much. I had it 119-109.


In news that should make everyone smile CJ Ross is stepping away from judging fights.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

I would agree with this. It's odd to say (and only in boxing!), but the fact that he looked so unbeatable against what was billed as arguably his best opponent to date (at least in regards to the opponent's chances to actually win the fight) makes it harder for him to come up with any more fights of interest. You're asking people to spend $75, the fight card better be an event. If it's just a Mayweather fight against some guy who's got no chance...what's the point?

The only way to make a Mayweather fight interesting at this point is to have the only judge be CJ Ross. If you forgive me going off on a short tangent, I think everyone should stop giving her the benefit of the doubt and referring to her card as 'incompetence'. Let's be clear: it's obvious, blatant, transparent corruption. The only way it could be more clear is if there were literally videotape of her taking a bag full of cash with a dollar sign on it from a "Fat Tony"-looking mobster. Short of that, this is as obvious as it gets. It's not that she saw the fight differently - which strains credulity to the point of absurdity - it's that some wiseguys made a ton of money by prop betting a Mayweather majority decision outcome. There is literally no other reasonable explanation for that card.

Frankly, I thought the other judge's cards were much too close as well - even those are a bit suspect in my opinion. The ridiculousness of CJ Ross' card overshadowed the fact that somehow, some way, Dave Moretti (116-112) and Craig Metcalfe (117-111) found a way to give more than 2 rounds to Canelo. I defy anyone to point to 3 rounds that Canelo won, even giving him every advantage you can possibly imagine.

If this were the NFL, there'd be a federal investigation. Luckily, the ham-fisted corruption in our beloved niche sport is basically viewed by most of the public as added "charm" to an otherwise seedy (and in most of the public's mind, largely irrelevant) enterprise.

I'll play Devils advocate. I only gave Canelo one round (round 5) but an argument could be made for rounds 1 and 12. Floyd didnt do much in either round and treated round 1 as a feel out round. I could see 3 rounds if you were being very generous.

[LakerFan56]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

I'll play Devils advocate. I only gave Canelo one round (round 5) but an argument could be made for rounds 1 and 12. Floyd didnt do much in either round and treated round 1 as a feel out round. I could see 3 rounds if you were being very generous.

If you look at the compubox stats, they landed the same amount of punches in round 4. So it's not out of the question to give Canelo round 4. Fights shouldn't be judged on compubox but they give you an idea of how the fight went. There were some rounds where Canelo landed more power shots, though Floyd made up for it in jabs. There's always been the jabs versus power shots debate. Scoring the fight 9-3 is fine. That's how I scored it when I first saw it and it's still a blow out.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

I'll play Devils advocate. I only gave Canelo one round (round 5) but an argument could be made for rounds 1 and 12. Floyd didnt do much in either round and treated round 1 as a feel out round. I could see 3 rounds if you were being very generous.

Fair enough. Maybe I give Moretti and Metcalf a pass on their cards. I'm willing to admit that depending on your angle/where you're sitting and what criteria you are using, you might be able to find 3 rounds for Canelo. Maybe I was a bit rash with my original statement on further review.

Would be interested to hear some thoughts on any fights people would like to see Mayweather make at this point? I'm sort of at a loss...I think we're at the stage where he's going to be stuck making unnatural catchweight bouts with guys who aren't really a matchup in terms of weight class....

Also, I wonder what Canelo's camp is thinking for his next move? Kid's only 23, so a lot of room to grow and get better.

[redsrule]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

I gave Floyd all 12 rounds. Could definitely see him getting r5 and 12. No way in hell did Canelo win 6 rounds though. Thankfully CJ Ross is done judging fights for a while.

Canelo is still young though, and it will be interesting to see where he goes from here now that he isn't facing scrubs anymore. I thought he lost the Trout fight too.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Canelo is still young though, and it will be interesting to see where he goes from here now that he isn't facing scrubs anymore. I thought he lost the Trout fight too.

I would agree with that, but it's admittedly a minority opinion. Anyway, that fight was the first real step up in class for Canelo and after seeing that, my estimation of his chances to win against Floyd went way down.

I think the remainder of Floyd's Showtime contract is going to demonstrate how good of a fight promoter he/TMT/Golden Boy or anyone else involved can be. If he can keep excitement up for his fights for the remainder of his contract, it will be a tour de force of marketing savvy. I know we're in the "comedown" period after a big fight, but it's hard for me to envision making 3-4 more fights involving Floyd that people will be that interested to see.

[utexas]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Canelo should target Pacquiao next

[redsrule]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

It's official, this fight broke the all time money record for a PPV, and still has a chance to beat Mayweather/DLH in terms of total PPV buys.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Late to the game guys, but I gave it to Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Canelo looked physically impressive, stronger than I expected and fairly swift of hand, but Floyd neutralized him at every turn.

Now he wants Miley Cyrus as his ring escort. He's a character but he actually seems like a pretty cool guy.