Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

[2_headedmonster]

Manny essentially killed a mega fight behind the minor issue of blood and urine tests prior to the bout citing every reason from fear of needles to being "weakened". what does this tell you about the fall out with the mega fight?

[Money99]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

Manny essentially killed a mega fight behind the minor issue of blood and urine tests prior to the bout citing every reason from fear of needles to being "weakened". what does this tell you about the fall out with the mega fight?

Do some google research and you'll find out that Manny agreed to any and all blood testing over a year ago. He gave in to every one of Mayweathers PED testing demands.
In the end, money is what kept the two from getting into the ring.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

I did my research which is why I said essentially. In the initial negotiations Manny refused r
Ost testing, then asked for a 30, then 24, then 14 day cut off. Now him coming back 2yrs later and changing his stance once again does not make my statement any less true.

[Money99]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

I did my research which is why I said essentially. In the initial negotiations Manny refused r
Ost testing, then asked for a 30, then 24, then 14 day cut off. Now him coming back a yr later and changing his stance once again does not make my statement any less true.

It's true he balked at the PED testing at first.
But eventually, while both fighters were on top of their game, Manny agreed to all of Mayweathers drug testing demands.
Then Mayweather scoffed at the idea of a 50-50 split.

Both fighters are responsible for this mega-fight never taking place.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

He agreed in September of last year and proceeded to get dropped twice in his next fight, the last of which left him motionless....

I just find it peculiar that the very thing he scoffed at, presented a road block at the thought of, and took 2yrs to agree to, is the very thing hes demanding now.

[aholbert32]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

It's true he balked at the PED testing at first.
But eventually, while both fighters were on top of their game, Manny agreed to all of Mayweathers drug testing demands.
Then Mayweather scoffed at the idea of a 50-50 split.

Both fighters are responsible for this mega-fight never taking place.

He didnt agree when they were at the "top of their game." He agreed last fall before the Marquez fight and after he had already signed the JMM fight. This was just after Floyd got out of prison too.

[Money99]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

He agreed in September of last year and proceeded to get dropped twice in his next fight, the last of which left him motionless....

He didnt agree when they were at the "top of their game." He agreed last fall before the Marquez fight and after he had already signed the JMM fight. This was just after Floyd got out of prison too.

Sure, he might not have been as good as he was in 2009, but it was in July 2011 when he agreed to the full, random drug testing that Mayweather was looking for.
At that time, I believe he was either #1 or #2 on the P4P list and hadn't been beaten since 2005.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

Sure, he might not have been as good as he was in 2009, but it was in July 2011 when he agreed to the full, random drug testing that Mayweather was looking for.
At that time, I believe he was either #1 or #2 on the P4P list and hadn't been beaten since 2005.

Oh yea, he started spewing this as soon as he signed the third Marquez fight and as soon a Floyd was starting training camp. But it couldnt be usada. Then in December Floyd told pacman to sign the contact for May 5th, everything seemed to be going fine then like 30days later, suddenly May 5th wasnt plausible. A special stadium needed to be built which would push the date until...whenever.

fight gets canceled, Pacman goes on to lose to Bradley and follows that with a media push of how he'll take all the test and a smaller split. Smh.

[LakerFan56]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

Sure, he might not have been as good as he was in 2009, but it was in July 2011 when he agreed to the full, random drug testing that Mayweather was looking for.
At that time, I believe he was either #1 or #2 on the P4P list and hadn't been beaten since 2005.

Manny was still pretty solid back then and a Mayweather/Pacman fight would have still been epic.

TBH, some of the power punching we've seen recently makes me suspicious about PED's in boxing. I only trust VADA testing which is why I respect Nonito Donaire.

[Money99]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

Oh yea, he started spewing this as soon as he signed the third Marquez fight and as soon a Floyd was starting training camp. But it couldnt be usada. Then in December Floyd told pacman to sign the contact for May 5th, everything seemed to be going fine then like 30days later, suddenly May 5th wasnt plausible. A special stadium needed to be built which would push the date until...whenever.

fight gets canceled, Pacman goes on to lose to Bradley and follows that with a media push of how he'll take all the test and a smaller split. Smh.

I believe Arum said that because Pac trains overseas, that they wanted the world doping agency (which governs USADA) to oversea his drug testing and once he moved to LA to continue his training, USADA would take over.

Look, I'm not saying Pac has never used PEDs or that Arum was an idiot during these negotiations.
But I do believe both fighters weren't exactly honest during the negotiations to get these fights done.

During the first round of negotiations, Mayweather wanted a certain level of testing which Pac balked at.
Eventually Pac gave in to his demands, at which point Mayweather altered his conditions.
Again, after some Pac/Arum posturing, they eventually lamented. Again, Mayweather stalled talks because he wanted a higher purse percentage than Pacquio despite Pac being the #1 P4P as well as the most popular fighter on the planet.

In the end, I think the blame is on both sides.
I don't think that Arum nor Mayweather ever wanted to take this fight.
Both were scared of taking a loss which would have really hurt the marketing power of their brand.

LakerFan56, I totally agree. I think there's a major issue with PEDs in boxing.
Seeing what JMM looked like during his fourth fight with Pac kind of solidified my beliefs.
I applaud fighters like Floyd and Donaire for wanting to clean the sport up.
Hopefully a standard can be set to make sure everyone's clean. There's a lot of money to be made by cheating, but at the expense of others health and even lives.

[JayBee74]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

I'm not sure either one really wanted to fight the other.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

I believe Arum said that because Pac trains overseas, that they wanted the world doping agency (which governs USADA) to oversea his drug testing and once he moved to LA to continue his training, USADA would take over.

Look, I'm not saying Pac has never used PEDs or that Arum was an idiot during these negotiations.
But I do believe both fighters weren't exactly honest during the negotiations to get these fights done.

During the first round of negotiations, Mayweather wanted a certain level of testing which Pac balked at.
Eventually Pac gave in to his demands, at which point Mayweather altered his conditions.
Again, after some Pac/Arum posturing, they eventually lamented. Again, Mayweather stalled talks because he wanted a higher purse percentage than Pacquio despite Pac being the #1 P4P as well as the most popular fighter on the planet.

In the end, I think the blame is on both sides.
I don't think that Arum nor Mayweather ever wanted to take this fight.
Both were scared of taking a loss which would have really hurt the marketing power of their brand.

LakerFan56, I totally agree. I think there's a major issue with PEDs in boxing.
Seeing what JMM looked like during his fourth fight with Pac kind of solidified my beliefs.
I applaud fighters like Floyd and Donaire for wanting to clean the sport up.
Hopefully a standard can be set to make sure everyone's clean. There's a lot of money to be made by cheating, but at the expense of others health and even lives.

That's your opinion, but does any of that make the new demand any less hypocritical?

[Money99]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

That's your opinion, but does any of that make the new demand any less hypocritical?

Technically no. Manny agreed to blood testing. You could argue his initial stance of requesting restrictions for frequency of testing, but technically, he agreed to PED tests.
He even took them way back when he first lost to Morales.

So I wouldn't say he's a hypocrite about asking other fighters to get tested.

[The JareBear]

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I just think this is all posturing. Hard for me to believe many of these guys are clean. If anyone likes Joe Rogan and hasn't checked out his podcast, please do so.

Start with the Victor Conte one. Not saying that guy is the pinnacle of honesty, but his insights into the world of PED use are pretty disturbing/alarming/painfully hard to deny.

[Money99]

Re: Manny now demanding PED testing. Hypocrisy?

I just think this is all posturing. Hard for me to believe many of these guys are clean. If anyone likes Joe Rogan and hasn't checked out his podcast, please do so.

Start with the Victor Conte one. Not saying that guy is the pinnacle of honesty, but his insights into the world of PED use are pretty disturbing/alarming/painfully hard to deny.

I read "Game of Shadows" which focused heavily on Conte and his 'work'.
After reading that, I believe a great majority of pro athletes are on something.
Like he said, the cheaters will always be ahead of the testers.

And when you have leagues like the NFL, NBA and NHL that turn a blind eye to it*, it's hard to remove it from.
Boxing needs to get with it soon too. People's lives are at stake.

*Ray Lewis, Erik Karlsson - both returned from severe injuries that kept them sidelined for mere weeks, not months like other athletes who suffered the same injury previously.