Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

[CMH]

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I can't watch that video at work, but I would think the sour grapes would come from the fact that Manny didn't throw.

Man, I don't know. All the people I've read from on Facebook or talking about it over the city are mad because Floyd won, saying things like, "Floyd didn't even do anything. Manny was the only one throwing punches!"

So it's hard for me to say Manny not throwing is why people are upset. I think it's more that the people that rooted for Floyd to lose (this is a majority of the viewers that don't really watch any sort of boxing) don't understand the sport and took it as "throw more punches, means you won" rather than "throws more accurate punches, means you won."

[KG]

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Man, I don't know. All the people I've read from on Facebook or talking about it over the city are mad because Floyd won, saying things like, "Floyd didn't even do anything. Manny was the only one throwing punches!"

So it's hard for me to say Manny not throwing is why people are upset. I think it's more that the people that rooted for Floyd to lose (this is a majority of the viewers that don't really watch any sort of boxing) don't understand the sport and took it as "throw more punches, means you won" rather than "throws more accurate punches, means you won."

But that argument becomes null and void when you see the CompuBox #'s. Floyd threw more punches and landed more. Not too mention the power shots.

As a fan of Floyd in the ring I came to the realization a long time ago that people's bias towards the man will rarely sway their opinion of him as a boxer.

It's really sad because we're watching an all-time great who IMO is up there with guys like Ali, Sugary Ray Robinson, and Joe Louis.

[Segagendude]

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If I paid big money for seats at the 50 yard line for a Super Bowl and the final score was 6-3, I'd be just as pissed as I am now.

Fight sucked. Plain and simple. As a casual fan, this was one where I bought into the hype, but never will again.

Floyd was a tactical fighter?? This is boxing. Last time I was into boxing regularly, Tyson was destroying fools. I miss that now.

Now it's jab, jab, dance, hold, repeat.

"You just don't know boxing". Guess I don't.
Ya'll can have it.

[allBthere]

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But that argument becomes null and void when you see the CompuBox #'s. Floyd threw more punches and landed more. Not too mention the power shots.

As a fan of Floyd in the ring I came to the realization a long time ago that people's bias towards the man will rarely sway their opinion of him as a boxer.

It's really sad because we're watching an all-time great who IMO is up there with guys like Ali, Sugary Ray Robinson, and Joe Louis.

He is not up there with those guys, he has developed his style to win regardless of what people think and regardless of making a good 'fight' ... boxing is a fight after all, and I've always thought floyd's style later in his career is not in the spirit of fighting and more in conflict avoidance - it's all in the rules so he is in his right to do that (except for maybe holding which in numerous fights I think he should have had points taken away) - but just because he is undefeated, doesn't mean I have to rank him with those legends above. All of those guy showed an incredible amount of heart - a warrior spirit in the face of adversity and the ability to fight hard, give an take punishment and truly beat their opponents.

Fighting in a way settles things, and that pac may fight didn't really 'settle' a whole lot for me as an example.

you're entitled to your opinion but as a life long boxing fan, I don't have to rank Floyd up there with those guys because he can't hold a candle to their fighting spirit. That's my opinion and that obviously really matters when I think of all-timers and evaluate them.

I think of Bernard Hopkins in his later career in a very similar fashion and it's why he can't be an ATG for me either. Hold, grind foreheads, hold etc.

I don't think Floyd and SRR can be in the same sentence, and I find the comparison annoying.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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I just have to laugh at the casual fans who bought the fight and are outraged because they didn't get this:


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[Sgt_Carnage]

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Oh hell no. I cannot stand Deadspin. Those guys are trash, and I think Drew Magary is decent. He's got his own cutthroat style, but I'm not a huge fan of his.

But when the truth is spoken, you give credit where it's due regardless of who is saying it.

So when Stephen A spoke the truth, his opinion was null and void because he's a Floyd fan. But when the guy who don't like Mayweather spoke what you feel is the truth, you have to give credit where credit is due regardless of who is saying it? Okay then.

[fistofrage]

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Hilarious

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[KG]

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He is not up there with those guys, he has developed his style to win regardless of what people think and regardless of making a good 'fight' ... boxing is a fight after all, and I've always thought floyd's style later in his career is not in the spirit of fighting and more in conflict avoidance - it's all in the rules so he is in his right to do that (except for maybe holding which in numerous fights I think he should have had points taken away) - but just because he is undefeated, doesn't mean I have to rank him with those legends above. All of those guy showed an incredible amount of heart - a warrior spirit in the face of adversity and the ability to fight hard, give an take punishment and truly beat their opponents.

Fighting in a way settles things, and that pac may fight didn't really 'settle' a whole lot for me as an example.

you're entitled to your opinion but as a life long boxing fan, I don't have to rank Floyd up there with those guys because he can't hold a candle to their fighting spirit. That's my opinion and that obviously really matters when I think of all-timers and evaluate them.

I think of Bernard Hopkins in his later career in a very similar fashion and it's why he can't be an ATG for me either. Hold, grind foreheads, hold etc.

I don't think Floyd and SRR can be in the same sentence, and I find the comparison annoying.

Boxing is not a fight though. MMA is more of a fight and even it has rules. At the end of the day the object is to win and the best thing about boxing is not the knockouts but the different styles employed by boxers.

You can't be something you aren't. Floyd has NEVER been a puncher, especially considering the history with his problematic hands. His hand issues have been well documented since he was an amateur, before he was $. Now that he's moved up in weight people unrealistically expect him to develop power. He's shown a good chin. Maidana threw some hard shots, he took a hell of one vs Sugar Shane, etc...

Being undefeated is only part of the equation, it's his dominance over fighters that usually results in post-fight comments like "Manny's not Manny anymore, De la Hoya was done, Mosley was washed up, Cotto was damaged goods, he suckered punched Ortiz, Marquez just wanted another pay day, Canelo was too green, etc...".

Being one of the best of all-time doesn't mean that you're great or elite at everything. Every great fighter had their areas of concern but it's what they were great at that sets them apart. Mayweather is a great defensive counter-puncher with elite timing and accuracy. He figures out fighters in the early-to-middle rounds and then picks them apart with precision. He's not going to get conned into a brawl because he has the discipline and skill to stay away.

His style isn't for everyone and he's brash but when he gets into the ring he does what he has to do to win which more often than not doesn't require a knockout.

[steelcityjames]

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@ allBthere ....good post. i agree with you. be prepared to be called a "*****", sounding like "Sour Grapes", told "You don't know a damn thing about boxing", and "You're too old for this".....Haha!!!

[Sgt_Carnage]

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@ allBthere ....good post. i agree with you. be prepared to be called a "*****", sounding like "Sour Grapes", told "You don't know a damn thing about boxing", and "You're too old for this".....Haha!!!

Yet, everybody over here seems to respect his opinion on the matter.

[steelcityjames]

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that's a good thing......opinions should be respected and folks should be able to disagree without being disagreeable. i was being a tad sarcastic. i think it needs to be understood that not everyone who chimes in here is a hardcore fan, and sometimes should be taken with a grain of salt

[ThreeKing]

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So when Stephen A spoke the truth, his opinion was null and void because he's a Floyd fan. But when the guy who don't like Mayweather spoke what you feel is the truth, you have to give credit where credit is due regardless of who is saying it? Okay then.

Drew Magary is not in anyone's 'camp', Stephen A is.

Not sure what's hard to understand about that.

[KG]

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Yet, everybody over here seems to respect his opinion on the matter.

You know.

He ( All B) makes some great points and it looks like he prefers a different style of boxer. No harm in that.

[King_B_Mack]

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Drew Magary is not in anyone's 'camp', Stephen A is.



Not sure what's hard to understand about that.

Stephen A spoke the truth, but you're disregarding his opinion and the truth because of where it came from, despite saying in your very next post not even 20 minutes later that you listen to the truth despite the source. If you can't see the problem here, then you're even more of a lost cause than everybody around here already thought you were.


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[Sgt_Carnage]

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Drew Magary is not in anyone's 'camp', Stephen A is.

Not sure what's hard to understand about that.

But you said you give credit where credit is due......REGARDLESS of who says it.