Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Ward vs. Kovalev
Six-round breakdown Punches Landed (CompuBox)

ROUNDS 1-6 Kovalez 52 Ward 36
ROUNDS 7-12 Ward 80 Kovalez 74

[TripleJay_X]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

i just watched the full fight, no way ward could have won this fight with his 'body shots'.

kovalev was dominating (way more than ward did) and ward had some good rounds, but that's it.....oh, i would be pissed being kovalev, but atleast it makes a rematch interesting and the judges should better go back to highschool boxing

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Yeah basically Kovalez won the first half of the bout and the second half was fought evenly, but it was a great fight and hats off to both.

[sheredia]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Yeah basically Kovalez won the first half of the bout and the second half was fought evenly, but it was a great fight and hats off to both.

don't think anyone would have been upset with a draw....

[N51_rob]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

I watched that fight twice trying to find 7 clear rounds to give to Ward and couldn't. Now there were plenty of contested rounds that could've gone either way. I don't think Ward won the fight, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. I think the rematch could be real special.

[TripleJay_X]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

don't think anyone would have been upset with a draw....

wasn't there this unwritten rule in boxing, the contender must be the more dominating and aggressive fighter if the fight ends in an 'unclear' decision in order to win the belts? or is this a rule from the 'old dayz' ?!

[bakan723]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

wasn't there this unwritten rule in boxing, the contender must be the more dominating and aggressive fighter if the fight ends in an 'unclear' decision in order to win the belts? or is this a rule from the 'old dayz' ?!

That's bs though. You score it round by round, add it up and you get what you get.

The thing is, in these close/non obvious rounds that's where ppl tend to have differing of opinions on who won it. And you get a bunch of them, that's why you see the varied cards.

Not that we did here with these judges, as they all seemed to give the ones that could go either way to Ward, for the most part. I don't know why Kovalev agreed to have all 3 American judges though.

Only just watched the fight for the first time now and didn't score it, but thought Kovalev won in a pretty close fight. Didn't think he was ahead as much as Lederman had him, but thought he did enough to get the W.

Gonna watch again with my mom when she gets back from this trip & score it this time.

[TripleJay_X]

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I don't know why Kovalev agreed to have all 3 American judges though.

...wait, wait, wait. A Russian Fighter vs an American Fighter and 3 American Judges on the ringside. (this reminds a bit of Ivan Drago vs Rocky Balboa, just the opposite situation )

That's 4 to 1 .... and the 1 could probably only win it by K.O. or a very very dominating 12-round fight.

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Not that we did here with these judges, as they all seemed to give the ones that could go either way to Ward, for the most part. I don't know why Kovalev agreed to have all 3 American judges though.

I don't know what foreign pool they had within the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I thought I heard Kathy Duva (Kovalez's trainer) hint of a problem there but you don't have to live in Nevada to get a license to judge combat sports under the authority of the NSAC.

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

I scored it 114-113, Kovalev.

Sorry, I'm not buying the cries of "robbery." That was a VERY close fight. I scored it on the fly, and there were about four rounds that were toss-ups. I could see the judges go either way.

Ward rallied with strategy and guile in the second half of the fight. He went inside and committed himself to the body, which neutralized Kovalev's aggression and forced him to be uncomfortable, as Sergei prefers to fight at a distance.

Plus Kovalev's inability to cut off the ring with footwork was glaring. The guy has unreal power and perhaps the best pile-driver jab in boxing. But his footwork is not good. He chased Ward all over the ring instead of cutting it off.

I suggest Kovalev watch film of fellow Soviet refugee GGG to learn how to cut off the ring. Golovkin is a master of that craft.

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Having given my opinion of who won the fight, my opinion of Andre Ward has only gone up. That's one tough, determined dude who can take a punch.

Agree. I'm not a fan of SOG, but he showed me a lot of courage, skill and the ability to change strategy on the fly last Saturday night.

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

wasn't there this unwritten rule in boxing, the contender must be the more dominating and aggressive fighter if the fight ends in an 'unclear' decision in order to win the belts? or is this a rule from the 'old dayz' ?!

It still happens, yes. But remember Kovalev was the belt holder in this fight, not Ward, who was moving up from 168.

Nationalism also plays a role. There were three American judges, which was an appalling oversight by the promoters. Kovalev's promoter, Kathy Duva, should have insisted on at least one judge from outside of North America for a fight of this magnitude.

[TripleJay_X]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

yeah, big mistake to accept 3 american judges. there is still some 'national pride' in everyone which likes to see his country to succeed, that's in every sport. In European Soccer f.e. there is no referre or judge allowed from the same country in a WorldCup,Champions League etc.

I once saw a fight between James Toney and i believe it was Samuel Peter on the other corner. I watched the full fight and at the end of round12 i really really thought, that was the win for Toney, he was just more active as Peters.
But he lost and i was surprised but they explained it with transparency and understanding, why Toney lost .... he lost because his shots were mostly 'Body Shots' and 'weak Hits', whereas Peters did land some real power shots in Toneys face (just like Kovalev)

So Ward didn't have any real powershots, mostly just body-shots and the fight didn't even look like he won it and surely not against a beld holder.

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

It still happens, yes. But remember Kovalev was the belt holder in this fight, not Ward, who was moving up from 168.

Nationalism also plays a role. There were three American judges, which was an appalling oversight by the promoters. Kovalev's promoter, Kathy Duva, should have insisted on at least one judge from outside of North America for a fight of this magnitude.

Is it negotiable for a fight in Nevada? I'm asking because I don't know, but I do know that the Nevada State Athletic Commission assigned the referee and three judges for this fight, and even if there was some contractual wiggle room an out of country judge would have to qualify under the guidelines of the NSAC.

And foreign judges are discouraged to even apply:

4. An ideal applicant:
a. for a boxing judge license is familiar with the American Boxing Commission (ABC) scoring criteria and is a registered USA Boxing Judge and/or is currently licensed with their state’s boxing commission and working regularly as a Professional Boxing Judge.