Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

saw the lomachenko-walters fight on free hbo

Don't know how I missed that one-Walters is taking some heat for "no masing".

[sheredia]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Don't know how I missed that one-Walters is taking some heat for "no masing".

i mean, he didn't seem hurt or anything....he was getting beat, yes, but he has some power so he did have a puncher's chance at least.

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

saw the lomachenko-walters fight on free hbo preview weekend....lomachenko was impressive, to say the least. he put on a boxing exhibition. strange ending, however, with walters quitting or no mas (a la duran). his explanation was not enough fights and he wasn't ready. REALLY? why not postpone the fight? why fight him at all knowing this? makes no sense, but whatever. lomachenko should go with a rematch against salido next (to avenge his only loss) and then maybe go up to fight manny. IF he beats manny, does he have a legit shot against floyd? i actually believe the loss against salido made him an even better (and motivated) fighter than he was already. taking on an experienced fighter like salido, in addition to all those low blows, was a tall order. he definitely learned from that fight and looks much better now as a result.

I don't think Mayweather would fight Lomachenko. Too big of a risk. Loma is nearing Mayweather's class defensively, and his offensive footwork and power are better. I don't know if Loma beats Mayweather, but it's far too big of a risk to Floyd's coveted zero.

Plus it's a HUGE ask for Lomachenko to climb to 147. He just jumped from 126 to 130. And there's NO way Mayweather will fight Lomachenko at 140. Not. One. Chance.

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

I don't think Mayweather would fight Lomachenko. Too big of a risk. Loma is nearing Mayweather's class defensively, and his offensive footwork and power are better. I don't know if Loma beats Mayweather, but it's far too big of a risk to Floyd's coveted zero.

Plus it's a HUGE ask for Lomachenko to climb to 147. He just jumped from 126 to 130. And there's NO way Mayweather will fight Lomachenko at 140. Not. One. Chance.

A Mayweather fight isn't feasible-A fight I'd like to see is Mickey Garcia-Lomachenko at 135, but I don't think Vasyl's camp is even in a hurry to try lightweight, especially against a boxer of Garcia's caliber.

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

A Mayweather fight isn't feasible-A fight I'd like to see is Mickey Garcia-Lomachenko at 135, but I don't think Vasyl's camp is even in a hurry to try lightweight, especially against a boxer of Garcia's caliber.

I respectfully beg to differ. There's not a boxer on Earth between 126 and 140 who can match Lomachenko's skill except for Mayweather and maybe Rigondeaux.

Tough, physical in-fighters like Salido will give Loma more fits than a slick boxer. There's hardly a guy in the world that Loma can't "out-slick." There are plenty of tough guys who can push him to the limit before falling to his superior footwork, hand speed and ability to attack at angles.

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

I respectfully beg to differ. There's not a boxer on Earth between 126 and 140 who can match Lomachenko's skill except for Mayweather and maybe Rigondeaux.

Tough, physical in-fighters like Salido will give Loma more fits than a slick boxer. There's hardly a guy in the world that Loma can't "out-slick." There are plenty of tough guys who can push him to the limit before falling to his superior footwork, hand speed and ability to attack at angles.

Yeah, but if we're talking about pure class rather then matchup problems Garcia did obliterate Salido. That being said I was really referring to how they handle Loma, rather then saying Garcia would necessarily beat him. He's just landed at 130 and I think he'll stay there for awhile. Also that's a wide weight range you're talking about (126-140)-Adrien Broner was a beast at 130-135 and not so much at 140 and 147.

I agree he's good and I'd love to see him fight Garcia one day, and Salido immediately.

[sheredia]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

I don't think Mayweather would fight Lomachenko. Too big of a risk. Loma is nearing Mayweather's class defensively, and his offensive footwork and power are better. I don't know if Loma beats Mayweather, but it's far too big of a risk to Floyd's coveted zero.

Plus it's a HUGE ask for Lomachenko to climb to 147. He just jumped from 126 to 130. And there's NO way Mayweather will fight Lomachenko at 140. Not. One. Chance.

true....lomachenko would not bring in big ppv numbers like a manny would AND is way too much of a risk, even though he would have to go up to fight floyd, and floyd likes having the weight advantage in a fight. garcia would be a more logical fight for him. i compared the lomachenko-salido fight and the walters fight and he looked SO MUCH better. i can see him winning titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147. maybe by then, the build up for a garcia fight will be huge. (that is, if garcia gets by thurman).

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

true....lomachenko would not bring in big ppv numbers like a manny would AND is way too much of a risk, even though he would have to go up to fight floyd, and floyd likes having the weight advantage in a fight. garcia would be a more logical fight for him. i compared the lomachenko-salido fight and the walters fight and he looked SO MUCH better. i can see him winning titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147. maybe by then, the build up for a garcia fight will be huge. (that is, if garcia gets by thurman).

I could see that-the only question is whether his body will mature all the way up to welterweight.

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Yeah, but if we're talking about pure class rather then matchup problems Garcia did obliterate Salido. That being said I was really referring to how they handle Loma, rather then saying Garcia would necessarily beat him. He's just landed at 130 and I think he'll stay there for awhile. Also that's a wide weight range you're talking about (126-140)-Adrien Broner was a beast at 130-135 and not so much at 140 and 147.

I agree he's good and I'd love to see him fight Garcia one day, and Salido immediately.

Agree. Would love to see all of those fights.

But I'll respectfully disagree about increased weight causing Broner's decline. Broner never was that good, even at 130 and 135. His biggest wins at that weight were Daniel Ponce de Leon and Antonio De Marco. Big whoop.

Once Broner climbed to welter, he faced higher-quality fighters such as Malignaggi, Maidana, both Molinas and Porter. He ran out of talent quickly.

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Agree. Would love to see all of those fights.

But I'll respectfully disagree about increased weight causing Broner's decline. Broner never was that good, even at 130 and 135. His biggest wins at that weight were Daniel Ponce de Leon and Antonio De Marco. Big whoop.

Once Broner climbed to welter, he faced higher-quality fighters such as Malignaggi, Maidana, both Molinas and Porter. He ran out of talent quickly.

That's a fair point, but he was knocking everybody out at the lower weight and for a brief spell was the top dog at 135. Also there's a good list of fighters at 140 and 147 that he's never considered fighting-remember at the time Malignaggi and Maidana were suppose to be cakewalks... (although his fight with Paulie was about as exciting as watching ballroom dancing).

[pk500]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

(although his fight with Paulie was about as exciting as watching ballroom dancing).

Hahahahahaha. So true.

[sheredia]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

That's a fair point, but he was knocking everybody out at the lower weight and for a brief spell was the top dog at 135. Also there's a good list of fighters at 140 and 147 that he's never considered fighting-remember at the time Malignaggi and Maidana were suppose to be cakewalks... (although his fight with Paulie was about as exciting as watching ballroom dancing).

lost interest in broner as soon as he said he would never fight floyd....he had the talent and skill but not the drive or motivation.

[sheredia]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

I could see that-the only question is whether his body will mature all the way up to welterweight.

let's hope so...that's where all the big money fights are.

[JayBee74]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

let's hope so...that's where all the big money fights are.

Yeah-I still think a fight with Mickey Garcia could bring in some bucks. There is not a lot of welterweights getting PPV fights recently.

lost interest in broner as soon as he said he would never fight floyd....he had the talent and skill but not the drive or motivation.

Very true and he doesn't throw enough punches but I wouldn't turn the channel off if he fought Brook, Thurman, Khan, Spence, or Garcia.

[sheredia]

Re: Kovalez-Ward 3 Days Away (11-19-16)

Yeah-I still think a fight with Mickey Garcia could bring in some bucks. There is not a lot of welterweights getting PPV fights recently.



Very true and he doesn't throw enough punches but I wouldn't turn the channel off if he fought Brook, Thurman, Khan, Spence, or Garcia.

yep but what gets me is HE should have been fighting crawford instead of molina....with the right trainer, drive and determination, he could have had some big paydays lined up. HE should have been floyd's last fight and not berto. just find it interesting they were buddies and now they have a beef. personally, i would like to see these two settle it in the ring.