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  • BigTigLSU
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    • Sep 2002
    • 6506

    #1

    Boxing < UFC

    Has Ultimate Fighting over taken Boxing as the BIG PPV event? As some might know I work for the cable company in tech support but we help out our account department when its busy for things such as PPV orders.

    And last night we had a large amount of calls for the UFC 52 event, almost as much as theHopkins De La Hoya fight which was the last big PPV fight. I was just wondering if anybody else feels boxing has been overtaken by ultimate fighting as america's favorite blood sport.
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  • bigeastbumrush
    My Momma's Son
    • Feb 2003
    • 19245

    #2
    Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

    I assume the UFC PPV events are much cheaper than PPV boxing matches. I think one of the major reasons for the decline in boxing is no big heavyweight draw. Mike Tyson, love him or hate him, was the greatest thing for modern day boxing and all of these guy making money now should thank him for that.

    I also think the lighter weight classes have matches which are much more entertaining than heavyweight fights but they don't get promoted as much IMHO. I love seeing 2 lightweights going at it for 12 rounds nonstop. It's hard to watch John Ruiz stand their and clutch his man for the whole fight. The heavyweight division needs a star, plain and simple. And I hate to say this, but they need an American star.

    The UFC is too brutal for me to watch. Alot of people get off on that though. I just can't stomach it. It's like watch a street fight.

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    • cliburn
      MVP
      • Jun 2003
      • 2837

      #3
      Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

      It's a sad day in boxing if it has. I am not a boxing connoisseur by any means, but I love to listen to someone who is passionate about boxing talk about it. Boxing is an art and people don't appreciate it anymore. UFC is just . . . well . . . it's not an art.
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      • Mossfan8480
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 1169

        #4
        Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

        Originally posted by shortsoldier
        It's a sad day in boxing if it has. I am not a boxing connoisseur by any means, but I love to listen to someone who is passionate about boxing talk about it. Boxing is an art and people don't appreciate it anymore. UFC is just . . . well . . . it's not an art.
        I love boxing, but I also love MMA. UFC is the second best organization for MMA and to say that it is not an art is ridiculous. To think that Jujitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Kickboxing, Muy Thai, are not forms of art is an ignorant statement. UFC does not have the best talent and to the untrained eye (uninformed) MMA could be looked at as a street fight or two guys "spooning". I highly suggest you check out the upcoming Pride, the top MMA organization, event this coming Saturday with an open mind. If you do, you will come to see that MMA is indeed an art form and maybe you'll even become a fan of the sport. It’s like someone saying that it was right to start a war in Iraq because they had weapons of mass destruction, obviously the person making that statement is misinformed.

        BTW I would greatly appreciate it if you could please define for me what you believe "art" to be, thank you.
        Last edited by Mossfan8480; 04-17-2005, 10:10 PM.

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        • cliburn
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 2837

          #5
          Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

          Originally posted by Mossfan8480
          I love boxing, but I also love MMA. UFC is the second best organization for MMA and to say that it is not an art is ridiculous. To think that Jujitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Kickboxing, Muy Thai, are not forms of art is an ignorant statement. UFC does not have the best talent and to the untrained eye (uninformed) MMA could be looked at as a street fight or two guys "spooning". I highly suggest you check out the upcoming Pride, the top MMA organization, event this coming Saturday with an open mind. If you do, you will come to see that MMA is indeed an art form and maybe you'll even become a fan of the sport. It’s like someone saying that it was right to start a war in Iraq because they had weapons of mass destruction, they obviously have no idea what they are talking about.

          BTW I would greatly appreciate it if you could please define for me what you believe "art" to be, thank you.
          I'm aware of all the different styles involved (my friend is a huge fan of Pride FC) but it is not an art to the extent that boxing is. Yeah, there is strategy involved and everyone has a different style, but I guess it's a matter of taste. I'm not as ignorant as you might believe; I just don't find UFC particularly artful. I don't know where the Iraq statement came into play, but that is a whole different argument altogether.
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          • Mossfan8480
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 1169

            #6
            Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

            Originally posted by shortsoldier
            I'm aware of all the different styles involved (my friend is a huge fan of Pride FC) but it is not an art to the extent that boxing is. Yeah, there is strategy involved and everyone has a different style, but I guess it's a matter of taste. I'm not as ignorant as you might believe; I just don't find UFC particularly artful. I don't know where the Iraq statement came into play, but that is a whole different argument altogether.
            If you would, please give me your definiton of "art" as that would help a great deal.

            By the way, the Iraq statement was analogy made to what you had said about UFC. The person making the statment about Iraq obviously is not informed on the subject, just as you, it appears, in your statement regarding UFC and MMA.

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            • Sully
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2003
              • 16003

              #7
              Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

              Originally posted by Mossfan8480
              If you would, please give me your definiton of "art" as that would help a great deal.

              By the way, the Iraq statement was analogy made to what you had said about UFC. The person making the statment about Iraq obviously is not informed on the subject, just as you, it appears, in your statement regarding UFC and MMA.
              Terrible analogy.

              Just because short doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean he isn't educated on the topic.

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              • Mossfan8480
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 1169

                #8
                Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

                Originally posted by Sully
                Terrible analogy.

                Just because short doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean he isn't educated on the topic.

                Please explain how that is a terrible analogy, and then please try not to paint me as one who does not understand what having an opinion is. If you read my post you would see that I asked him to give his definition of "art", which I am still waiting on. As of right now his comment on MMA shows that he is not "informed". Everyone has an opinion, that doesn't mean that their opinion is well informed. To me, art is any human activity which does not grow out of either of our species two basic instincts: Survival and Reproduction. Or if that doesn't do it for you, let me quote my good friend Bruce Lee, "Art is really the expression of the self. The more complicated and restricted the method, the less the opportunity for the expression of one's original sense of freedom."

                Evidence A- In the topic "Madden Preview at IGN is up", Sully posts,
                "PSU, he's allowed to post whatever thoughts he may have. If you don't agree with him, then ignore him. Let us determine whether or not his thoughts are acceptable."

                Evidence B- Two days later in the topic "Hey Eagles...you've officially been PUNK'D", Sully posts, "Wow, that may be the most ignorant statement I've ever read here."

                In evidence A Sully is suggesting to a fellow poster that he ignore another poster if he disagrees with him and to leave it up to the readers to determine whether what is says is acceptable or not. Two days later, he proceeds to get into with another poster regarding his thoughts on Terrell Owens and the Eagles over numerous posts. Obviously not practicing what he preaches.

                Now he comes to this topic and tells me that just because I disagree with another poster, doesn't mean that he isn't educated on the topic. Yet in evidence B is calls one poster ignorant because of his view on whether or not the Eagles had a different attitude due to TO's presence. Ignorant, according to Webster's dictionary, means, "lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified".

                So once again my friend, practice what you preach....Or just preach something different.

                The defense rests!
                Last edited by Mossfan8480; 04-17-2005, 10:44 PM.

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                • gritzblitz56
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 225

                  #9
                  Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

                  The UFC has done a tremendous job of refining its product over the last 10 years. The first UFC I watched was Royce Gracie vs Ken Shamrock and it was unwatchable. Ken layed on top of Gracie who was in the guard, so neither man could do anything for 45 minutes. Now with the weight divisions, timed rounds and more striking, I have found the UFC to be very entertaining. Plus they recruited alot more fans with the recent reality show and live event on Spike.

                  The main problem with boxing is that there is no governing body to look after the long term welfare of the sport. When you watch basketball and someone says "They should move back the 3 point line", everyone knows "They" is David Stern and the NBA. The problem with Boxing is that there is no "They" to look after the sport.

                  Another thing that has killed boxing has been the advent of Pay-per-view. Most young people would not believe it, but there was a time when world champions defended the title on broadcast TV thus they were widely known by all sports fans. But then the promoters doscovered that they could make more through PPV. But it has hurt boxing's popularity in the long term. Now the casual fan who would tune in to watch Ali or Holmes on ABC does not shell out 50 bucks to see the same fight on PPV. That has especially hurt the great fighters in the lighter weight classes. Joe Sportsfan, for the most part, has no idea who Eric Morales, Zab Judah, or Glen Johnson are because you only see them on PPV or, on a rare occasion, on HBO. Bernard Hopkins is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, and the average person wouldn't recognize him if he sat in thier lap.

                  And that is a shame.

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                  • LuZZo
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 149

                    #10
                    Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

                    Boxing is still the number one draw for combat sports, and this is coming from someone who is a MMA fan above all else. The UFC has made tremendous strides in the last couple of years, with the reality show etc, but they haven't come close to overtaking boxing.


                    Just out of curiosity what was the last MMA event that Shortsoldier and Bigeastbumrush watched?

                    Edit: I'd also like to add that to be a top competitor in MMA you have be extremely skilled in various facets of fighting. The notion that MMA is devoid of skill and more dangerous/brutal than Boxing is also laughable IMHO.
                    Last edited by LuZZo; 04-18-2005, 11:50 AM.

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                    • mgoblue
                      Go Wings!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 25477

                      #11
                      Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

                      just too expensive to follow the PPV's...I even watch WWE wrestling often, but I've only gotten 1 PPV (this past wrestlemania) in the past year and a half...I'd probably watch a big boxing match, but no way am I paying 50 bucks for it, especially when the Heavyweights are pretty down right now. Boxing is just down in general right now, i'm somewhat wondering if it's going the way of horse racing, less general appeal and more of a niche sport, something that generations of days past loved, but isn't anywhere near as popular now.
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                      • LuZZo
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 149

                        #12
                        Re: Boxing &lt; UFC

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