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  • Phobia
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2008
    • 11623

    #331
    Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

    Originally posted by linny
    is it at all possible the ground game is just not that good?


    Ive been practicing and the more I do the less I actually like it
    How were you on EA UFC 1? I was able to control the ground pretty easy.

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    • linny
      Rookie
      • Dec 2011
      • 62

      #332
      Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

      Originally posted by Phobia
      How were you on EA UFC 1? I was able to control the ground pretty easy.
      I was pretty decent. I could definitely hold people down and land ground and pound.


      it's just not for me. if Im going to put in a bunch of time practicing jiu jitsu its going to be in real life not virtual

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      • aholbert32
        (aka Alberto)
        • Jul 2002
        • 33106

        #333
        Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

        Originally posted by linny
        is it at all possible the ground game is just not that good?


        Ive been practicing and the more I do the less I actually like it
        No and it's just not me. The large majority of people online seem to love the new grappling system. Especially when compared to what other games have offered.


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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #334
          Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

          Originally posted by linny
          I was pretty decent. I could definitely hold people down and land ground and pound.


          it's just not for me. if Im going to put in a bunch of time practicing jiu jitsu its going to be in real life not virtual
          No one is asking you to put in a bunch of time practicing. I think it's ridiculous that in 4 days of playing the game you would expect to be able to dominate a new grappling system.

          With that said, you have the right not to like it. I'm just shocked anyone would prefer the simple and unrealistic UFC 1 system.


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          • HartmanTeets6
            Rookie
            • Aug 2014
            • 302

            #335
            Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

            Overall impressions after playing for a few days:

            1) Striking is greatly improved. Feel like I can move around as opposed to just walking back and forth, like in previous games. Love that you have to block both up top and down low. Takes away some of the constant blocking spam-action of last game.

            2) Ground Game is _________. While I love the idea of the ground game, as explained in articles, I have been unable to be effective on the ground at all. 9/10 when the fight went to the ground in the last game, it was to my advantage. I left the _______ in there, because I feel like the majority of this is my fault. I have done 0 practicing on it, and have simply not put in the time to learn the entirely new system. I have been having too much fun with striking.

            3) Overall I feel this game is a giant leap forward from the last one, and this is all from a beta version. I absolutely loved the last game, and can't wait for the final version to come out.

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            • pdandy
              Rookie
              • Dec 2009
              • 343

              #336
              Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

              Hanging up the beta today. Think I've played it to death. Updated criticisms list:

              - Parry windows are too forgiving. As Pappy pointed out, the experience is pretty similar to EA UFC 1 and that is not a good thing. It's too easy to do something that advanced.
              - Weird AI standups from dominant position. Weird AI transitions out of dominant positions. AI doesn't attempt GNP much. AI seems weak against transition spam. But perhaps this is because it is a practice AI.
              - Stamina system is still a bit too forgiving. It seems like the thing that saps long term stamina the most is shots to the body. Spamming modified strikes has too little impact on stamina...
              - Finish the fight animation needs to improve. The guy shouldn't look KOed already.

              If they address all this and the AI plays as well as SkyNet states, this would be my dream MMA game.

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              • Phobia
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jan 2008
                • 11623

                #337
                Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                Originally posted by pdandy
                Hanging up the beta today. Think I've played it to death. Updated criticisms list:

                - Parry windows are too forgiving. As Pappy pointed out, the experience is pretty similar to EA UFC 1 and that is not a good thing. It's too easy to do something that advanced.
                - Weird AI standups from dominant position. Weird AI transitions out of dominant positions. AI doesn't attempt GNP much. AI seems weak against transition spam. But perhaps this is because it is a practice AI.
                - Stamina system is still a bit too forgiving. It seems like the thing that saps long term stamina the most is shots to the body. Spamming modified strikes has too little impact on stamina...
                - Finish the fight animation needs to improve. The guy shouldn't look KOed already.

                If they address all this and the AI plays as well as SkyNet states, this would be my dream MMA game.
                Lucky you! You get to hang it up and I just want to get in

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                • fballturkey
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 2370

                  #338
                  Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                  As it stands right now the ground game isn't very good. They need to come up with a solution for the constant transitions online where the lag is such that reversals are almost impossible. We really need preblocking back. If I know for sure which direction my opponent is going to transition before they do it then that should put me at an advantage, and it doesn't now.

                  Now, the building blocks are there right now to make an awesome ground game, but it isn't there yet. I hope they get it there by release.
                  Teams: Minnesota Vikings, Cincinnati Reds, Marshall Thundering Herd, Virginia Tech Hokies (2010 alum)

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                  • Trevelyan
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 1047

                    #339
                    Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                    I really enjoy the stand up portion of the game, the rest I'm not a fan of. If the knockout mode that's mentioned in the loading screens can be played online, I might end up purchasing UFC 2.

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                    • SwedishTouch76
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 1070

                      #340
                      Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                      Originally posted by fballturkey
                      As it stands right now the ground game isn't very good. They need to come up with a solution for the constant transitions online where the lag is such that reversals are almost impossible. We really need preblocking back. If I know for sure which direction my opponent is going to transition before they do it then that should put me at an advantage, and it doesn't now.

                      Now, the building blocks are there right now to make an awesome ground game, but it isn't there yet. I hope they get it there by release.
                      Completely disagree on the preloading. If a novice like myself with very limited spare time can already recognize 50 % of the ground transition animations then pretty much anyone can.....

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                      • fballturkey
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 2370

                        #341
                        Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                        I recognize them, it just doesn't matter how my timing is I can't block them. The worst offender is the half guard - mount - half guard dance. I know the guy is going to immediately transition to mount. I know the direction he's going to do it. But online I never can block it. Offline against AI I can, but the lag is just enough online that the denial window is basically nonexistent.
                        Teams: Minnesota Vikings, Cincinnati Reds, Marshall Thundering Herd, Virginia Tech Hokies (2010 alum)

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                        • godylla
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 305

                          #342
                          Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                          Originally posted by SwedishTouch76
                          Completely disagree on the preloading. If a novice like myself with very limited spare time can already recognize 50 % of the ground transition animations then pretty much anyone can.....
                          But what if you could block before the animation even starts? If I take you down, I should be able to guess that you will try get up right away so why not preload that block? If my opponent doesn't try to get up, but immediately tries to transition to something else, then I am at a disadvantage for guessing instead of seeing how it would play out. I think the idea has some potential.
                          "Do or do not, there is no try."
                          - Yoda

                          "Don't give up, don't ever give up."
                          - Jimmy V.

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                          • GameplayDevUFC
                            Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 2830

                            #343
                            Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                            Originally posted by fballturkey
                            As it stands right now the ground game isn't very good. They need to come up with a solution for the constant transitions online where the lag is such that reversals are almost impossible. We really need preblocking back. If I know for sure which direction my opponent is going to transition before they do it then that should put me at an advantage, and it doesn't now.

                            Now, the building blocks are there right now to make an awesome ground game, but it isn't there yet. I hope they get it there by release.
                            The big problem with preblocking is that if my fighter has only one submission from a given position, you can make yourself 100% safe from it, no matter how gassed you get. I will never be able to hit that submission. Ever. Even if I am Damien Maia and you are Mike Tyson.

                            On top of that, that submission might have the same denial direction as my only getup.

                            So you might be able to lock me out of both.

                            My forcing tight timing constraints, we can make all moves viable, and tune the viability based on stamina, ratings and whatever else we want.

                            If there was an animation for a pre-deny that would be a different story, but without one it makes the defender way to powerful.

                            And a pre-deny doesn't really make sense in the general case for BJJ moves, in terms of animations.

                            And would be really, really expensive to build.

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                            • godylla
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 305

                              #344
                              Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                              Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
                              The big problem with preblocking is that if my fighter has only one submission from a given position, you can make yourself 100% safe from it, no matter how gassed you get. I will never be able to hit that submission. Ever. Even if I am Damien Maia and you are Mike Tyson.

                              On top of that, that submission might have the same denial direction as my only getup.

                              So you might be able to lock me out of both.

                              My forcing tight timing constraints, we can make all moves viable, and tune the viability based on stamina, ratings and whatever else we want.

                              If there was an animation for a pre-deny that would be a different story, but without one it makes the defender way to powerful.

                              And a pre-deny doesn't really make sense in the general case for BJJ moves, in terms of animations.

                              And would be really, really expensive to build.
                              But at the same time, if you are using Ronda and I know she is great at armbars, shouldn't I have the ability to expect that it is coming more than just trying to time it in a window? By preloading a block, Ronda could transition to another position that I can't stop because I preloaded wrong. From there maybe the armbar is available and I am behind the 8 ball for guessing wrong in the beginning?

                              As for $$$ luckily EA is one of the biggest gaming companies in the world (http://www.alux.com/richest-gaming-c...n-the-world/6/).
                              "Do or do not, there is no try."
                              - Yoda

                              "Don't give up, don't ever give up."
                              - Jimmy V.

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                              • linny
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 62

                                #345
                                Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Beta Available, Post Your Impressions Here

                                Originally posted by aholbert32
                                No one is asking you to put in a bunch of time practicing. I think it's ridiculous that in 4 days of playing the game you would expect to be able to dominate a new grappling system.

                                With that said, you have the right not to like it. I'm just shocked anyone would prefer the simple and unrealistic UFC 1 system.


                                Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
                                umm and this is realistic?

                                I never said the first one was perfect, I think this game is better than the first overall. the ground game is just not enjoyable.

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