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  • Ksearyback
    Pro
    • Jun 2016
    • 639

    #31
    Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

    Has judging in this game ever been properly addressed?

    I'd hate to find out you could game the system by:
    - Moving forward
    - Winning on punch stats (quantity over quality, and anyone whose been a boxing/MMA fan for a while knows this is junk, and a terrible tool to argue decisions)
    - Takedowns/Clinches, with no effective use (damage and control), otherwise a last 10 second take down each round to impress the judges is disappointing
    - superficial damage. Some people swell and cut easier than others. This is not always, and actually quite often, not the story of the fight. I hope it plays no part

    What would be nice to know is how sophistocated the system is. *Clinches and take downs should result in control, damage and working toward a submission
    * Ring control doesn't mean operating from the center of the ring, rather managing distance and dictating pace and action
    * effective aggression. Punch stats such. 20 damaging counter shots, or flush shots... Just clean strikes is more important that 100 strikes with 50 shots landing, of which all but 5 were glancing and weak due to low stamina
    * Which fighter took control and dictated how, when, where the action played out?
    * effective defense should be awarded. Same with offense. YOU DONT LOSE A ROUND BECAUSE YOU WERE ON YOUR BACK! if top player is content holding position but ends up defending sweeps and attacks all round, the fighter playing guard won the round
    - 10-8 and 10-7 rounds should be used. Most importantly, too many judges are way to hesitant to score a 10-10 round. I get the argument against it, but it's incorrect. There are times no one won the round

    Finally, if there really are judge "types" who favor certain disciplines over the other, I don't mind that. I'd say, let's make sure they are reasonably balanced with their tendencies impacting decisions on the margins in close rounds, and I think it would be fun for more personalities (not just striking favored, grapple favored, and balanced), and have the three selected at random each fight.

    Anyway, I'd love to know if an official response was ever provided?

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    • Dave_S
      Dave
      • Apr 2016
      • 7835

      #32
      Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

      I really felt like won this fight, but the stats look bad.

      I did control center of octagon, denied a bunch of transitions, had a lot of top control, controled center of octagon and denied a crazy amount of fast single collar clinch attempts.

      Most of opponent's strikes were from postured down positions like mount or side control where i couldn't block.

      The numbers reminded me of this thread so I took screenshot. 50-45, 50-45, 49-46 was overall score

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      • Ksearyback
        Pro
        • Jun 2016
        • 639

        #33
        Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

        Dave,
        Do you think this sheds light on how much they weight the submission attempts? How close was he to finishing his attacks?

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        • Dave_S
          Dave
          • Apr 2016
          • 7835

          #34
          Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

          Dude was never even remotely close to finishing me, and every submission attempt was very close to a finish.

          I was guessing a big contributing factor was top control, as I had a lot of time on top, and I rocked him multiple times, I never got rocked.

          Someone posted very specific scoring criteria for a UFC 1 a whole ago, I was guessing ufc 2 scoring was probably very similar.
          Last edited by Dave_S; 06-15-2016, 12:15 PM.

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          • Ksearyback
            Pro
            • Jun 2016
            • 639

            #35
            Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

            I have found there to be an extreme dearth of good information on this game on forums and YouTube. It's probably comensurate with the relative difference in the number of people playing this game compared to, say, Madden or FIFA.

            That said, it is very disappointing how few people participate even in this forum. There are a few YouTube channels worth a watch, but even those who are clearly very skilled at the game are not very good teachers.

            It's unfortunate how poor the information flow is for this game.

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            • wolfwind1310
              Rookie
              • May 2016
              • 67

              #36
              Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

              and the ablity to hit forward on a stick should not decied a fight any good counter puncher can have total controll of the ring with out ever takeing a step forward
              and if u ask me it should not count as an sub attempt untill after u lock it in (get past first gate ) up in till that point it just rolling on the mat
              this fix alone would fix a ton of complaints

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              • Robalboa
                Banned
                • Apr 2016
                • 105

                #37
                Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                Originally posted by Shogun474
                Any chance of revamping the scoring system via patch? I am getting rather fed up of losing decisions when i score higher in EVERY single stat in EVERY round??? What exactly is the deal here._. This happens often, It is beyond a joke please fix

                ive found that you can win the rounds without even throwing one strike!!

                even if the guy strikes you 20 30 times, if you lay on him on the ground and deny him, just lay there you win the round.

                i tested this and i Landed zero strikes the opponent landed over 100 and I won lol

                the whole game is a true joke on us.

                at least the old game was responsive and the moves actually worked, and the judges made alot more sense.

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                • Bassi
                  EA UFC Producer
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 110

                  #38
                  Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                  Originally posted by Robalboa
                  ive found that you can win the rounds without even throwing one strike!!

                  even if the guy strikes you 20 30 times, if you lay on him on the ground and deny him, just lay there you win the round.

                  i tested this and i Landed zero strikes the opponent landed over 100 and I won lol

                  the whole game is a true joke on us.

                  at least the old game was responsive and the moves actually worked, and the judges made alot more sense.
                  This is confusing. A fighter is laying on their opponent and denying all transitions on the ground, but the other fighter landed 100 strikes?

                  100 strikes from the bottom?

                  You would want the guy on the bottom to win this match?

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                  • Dave_S
                    Dave
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 7835

                    #39
                    Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                    Originally posted by Bassi
                    This is confusing. A fighter is laying on their opponent and denying all transitions on the ground, but the other fighter landed 100 strikes?

                    100 strikes from the bottom?

                    You would want the guy on the bottom to win this match?
                    Absolutely. Some fighters have dominated from the bottom with elbows, and I'm fairly certain they won those rounds. The commentators normally specifically talk about it when it happens.

                    clinch is bad to. Fighters have been dropped by strikes thrown by opponents they had in dominant double collar on multiple occasions.

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                    • wolfwind1310
                      Rookie
                      • May 2016
                      • 67

                      #40
                      Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                      u need to post that pic all over there twitter and face book till you get and answer from them how that total bs is possible seeing that makes me not want to even play online ever becaus what the **** is the point

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                      • Dave_S
                        Dave
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 7835

                        #41
                        Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                        Originally posted by wolfwind1310
                        u need to post that pic all over there twitter and face book till you get and answer from them how that total bs is possible seeing that makes me not want to even play online ever becaus what the **** is the point
                        That wasn't online, I did that against myself on two player to illustrate a point.

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                        • wolfwind1310
                          Rookie
                          • May 2016
                          • 67

                          #42
                          Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                          i kinda figured other wise some guy would have been screaming about u and his broken tv but i still thik u should post it to them see how they respond

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                          • Dave_S
                            Dave
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 7835

                            #43
                            Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                            To be honest I'm to lazy to go on Facebook or Twitter for that

                            On another note I just beat some dude 30-26, and it really felt like I won it 29-28. There is no way I should have won round 1. The only effective thing I did was control center of the octagon, but my opponent preferred his back close to cage and played effectively there.
                            Last edited by Dave_S; 06-15-2016, 08:58 PM.

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                            • cheez7
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 49

                              #44
                              Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                              I realized how bad the "judges" were when I was trying to get fights to go to decision for the Play Bonus in Live Events... The process is awful.

                              So many times I destroy the CPU with the only challenge being that I'm worried I'm going to knock them out before the final bell, then I lose the fight.

                              Here's two instances from last night... after the first one, I was like "okay, let me get a little riskier and try to knock the dude down a couple times without getting the KO"... did that, still lost, and gave up.
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                              • Webbington
                                Rookie
                                • May 2016
                                • 137

                                #45
                                Re: Patch to fix corrupt judging Possible?

                                Originally posted by cheez7
                                I realized how bad the "judges" were when I was trying to get fights to go to decision for the Play Bonus in Live Events... The process is awful.

                                So many times I destroy the CPU with the only challenge being that I'm worried I'm going to knock them out before the final bell, then I lose the fight.

                                Here's two instances from last night... after the first one, I was like "okay, let me get a little riskier and try to knock the dude down a couple times without getting the KO"... did that, still lost, and gave up.
                                Just take them down and lay on them. Very simple.

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