out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

[zzzeric]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

I feel like its nearly impossible to deny single collar attempts especially with the equalized stats. Right now its the only way to initiate a grapple tho so its whatever.

[fishingtime]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

i have a guy that you can fight and then comment on how the clinch is.
he pulls you it breaks every transition. then strike then pull, etc.

the game sucks pretty bad but this is just ridiculous.

also if a guy want to clinch you hes gonna get it i dont care how you try to avoid it.

And like i said the parry thing has carried into the clinch blocks. if you hit any button while blocking the clinch it wont block even though theres no parry there

There are plenty of guys who can do that on the ground, your point?

There is kind of a parry there. Been telling people about this since the beta. Holding R2 and X transfers most of the damage to the arms.

I made a video to show the devs how body punches aren't blocked with R1/RB like they should be. However, during this video the AI got the MT plum on me and used three knees. You can see my arm absorbing all the damage because I am holding R2 and X. Anyways, the parry is tied to the buttons and block, not the block alone. So if you are using the block only, you should never lose your block unless you are already so damaged that the game says you are out, and the opponent just needs to finish. Same thing happens when you get knocked to the ground. The meter thing will pop up, but never fill.

https://youtu.be/8-zpUbHsUWA?t=33s

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

If you are still having problems with the clinch, you really need to practice it. If someone can keep you in it, they did. The clinch is one way to punish high block sitters. You don't want to get clinched, don't sit on high block. Be reactive and deny the clinch attempt instead. The window to deny is pretty big. I've been rocked and denied entries numerous times.

I swear, they are going to remove the clinch altogether because people just won't learn it.

Oh my god I finally agree with something Fish said.

[fishingtime]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

Oh my god I finally agree with something Fish said.

You are a bastard in the clinch lol. Seeing you use it, yeah I can see why some think it is OP.

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

You are a bastard in the clinch lol. Seeing you use it, yeah I can see why some think it is OP.

I was probably the biggest advocate with nerfing the clinch since the beta. Right now I think it's completely balanced.

The issue is that a skill disparity between two players is MOST noticable in the clinch. It's the easiest way for a good player to smash an average player. Unlike the standup after the parry nerfs, anyone can throw a 3 piece and rock you.

[Robalboa]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

its just sad 100 significant strike to the head do less damage than one elbow or knee in the clinch.

as for blocking it or transitioning its almost a joke its a complete guess factory laden with latency ( since it seems im only allowed to fight people in other countries for some reason -literally every game is russia uk australia, germany

when you add that long distance latency to the OP clinch its impossible to deny anything.

even MLG gamebattles make the players play in their region because it causes for horrible gameplay and thats on COD

its 20 times worse in this game.

literally the animations are WAYYY to long (the old get stuck in animation thing where you have no control of your fighter while the other guy spams lol
then right after your punch you attempted 4 secs ago NOW decides to "come through" cause another 5 piece mcknuckle upside the head.

there is no fixing this as a whole it will take too long just hoping they dump this whole setup on the next game. there gotta be a better way. you have to admit for a new game it doesnt even compare to the speed and fluidity of FN
and that was 5 years ago.
and yes boxing (that part of stand up) is still the same as it was five years ago.
yet the two games have to totally different concepts of boxing or striking.
which concept is more accurate
well thats a no brainer FN all day

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

its just sad 100 significant strike to the head do less damage than one elbow or knee in the clinch.

as for blocking it or transitioning its almost a joke its a complete guess factory laden with latency ( since it seems im only allowed to fight people in other countries for some reason -literally every game is russia uk australia, germany

when you add that long distance latency to the OP clinch its impossible to deny anything.

even MLG gamebattles make the players play in their region because it causes for horrible gameplay and thats on COD

its 20 times worse in this game.

literally the animations are WAYYY to long (the old get stuck in animation thing where you have no control of your fighter while the other guy spams lol
then right after your punch you attempted 4 secs ago NOW decides to "come through" cause another 5 piece mcknuckle upside the head.

there is no fixing this as a whole it will take too long just hoping they dump this whole setup on the next game. there gotta be a better way. you have to admit for a new game it doesnt even compare to the speed and fluidity of FN
and that was 5 years ago.
and yes boxing (that part of stand up) is still the same as it was five years ago.
yet the two games have to totally different concepts of boxing or striking.
which concept is more accurate
well thats a no brainer FN all day

Please let a good player hit you with 100 sigs. You'd be dead mate. Hell, if I land 4 you're going to be rocked..

They already toned down clinch knees. If you get caught with a knee WHILE trying to transition there is bonus damage that can result in a knockdown. Go into practice mode and tell me how many knees it takes to knock them down. More times than not, it will be 4-7 knees (vs an opponent who isn't mid transition).

[Robalboa]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

Please let a good player hit you with 100 sigs. You'd be dead mate. Hell, if I land 4 you're going to be rocked..

They already toned down clinch knees. If you get caught with a knee WHILE trying to transition there is bonus damage that can result in a knockdown. Go into practice mode and tell me how many knees it takes to knock them down. More times than not, it will be 4-7 knees (vs an opponent who isn't mid transition).

NO NO NO NO practice mode dont count. im talking about the real world in game with 500ms ping (one way) connections to the other side of the planet

Play someone in russia from the US and see how that works or the french connection lol

everything is close too 2 secs behind for the host. In fact ive played these aussies and such so much ive got one you can play and you tell me the greatness of the clinch. let me know id love to watch all the fanboys play this guy from australia
youd have a whole new take on this game.

i think if the controls actually worked it would make this game so much better
but i mean R2 and right stick how hard could that be???

its not hard it just dont work in high latency games thats included on the ground denials everything. the input is too late and you cant play off the screen animations because it will never register in time.

sad story. and its not my reactions I just dropped a 48 and 0 in COD and thats split sec timing. this game is split 2 second timing lol True story

[Haz____]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

Kinetic is literally one of the very best in the game...

Pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

NO NO NO NO practice mode dont count. im talking about the real world in game with 500ms ping (one way) connections to the other side of the planet

Play someone in russia from the US and see how that works or the french connection lol

everything is close too 2 secs behind for the host. In fact ive played these aussies and such so much ive got one you can play and you tell me the greatness of the clinch. let me know id love to watch all the fanboys play this guy from australia
youd have a whole new take on this game.

i think if the controls actually worked it would make this game so much better
but i mean R2 and right stick how hard could that be???

its not hard it just dont work in high latency games thats included on the ground denials everything. the input is too late and you cant play off the screen animations because it will never register in time.

sad story. and its not my reactions I just dropped a 48 and 0 in COD and thats split sec timing. this game is split 2 second timing lol True story

Yeah connection is a big problem in the clinch because you can't fuzzy guard. Cha1lka beat me once last LEC because of it. Abuses his ****ty connection and if he gets you in MT it's pretty sad.

[jamesbenz21]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

People still whining about the clinch?? Learn it, embrace it, cherish it.. BECOME the clinch.. I will destroy my opponents weakness. if theyre weak in the clinch i will clean there clock with an elbow and some knees..
if theyre weak on the ground ill clean there clock with some elbows from side saddle.. learn the game quit crying. pretty simple to deny clinch attempts and the window for denial is massive..

[oshighwayman]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

I think clinch is just plain stupid from day 1.
it s nonsense that just few unblocked strikes from thai clinch can knock u out compared to ground game or standup.
it seems it take 1 or 2 in women s division, which is absurd.

instant thai clinch should be gone , and just be allowed next to cage. there re smart assess out there who just keep running and clinching, and it s hard to do anything about it, because they will mix clinch attempt with head shots and clinch deny is stupid RT down, which expose ur head

there should be only instant single collar

[Robalboa]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

People still whining about the clinch?? Learn it, embrace it, cherish it.. BECOME the clinch.. I will destroy my opponents weakness. if theyre weak in the clinch i will clean there clock with an elbow and some knees..
if theyre weak on the ground ill clean there clock with some elbows from side saddle.. learn the game quit crying. pretty simple to deny clinch attempts and the window for denial is massive..

now does that even sound like a Real UFC fighters words? the clinch is not the goto to win in UFC.

in fact ive NEVER seen or heard any corner or in training tell their fighter to "go for the clinch to win".

its "take him down" "body head" etc.

while there are clinch strikes in real UFC only a small handful EVER won a match.

but in this game every other match: rock, autoclinch , KO

and that 14 number in the OP is now about 24 losses from clinch only one from a real KO

And in case you suggest it, you cant practice moves that dont take in game
because they dont work in game.

In practice mode (zero latency) everything works fine. go online and its a guessing game.

[Robalboa]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

The game is just poorly designed. Most people say it's balanced, I say it is totally unbalanced. It's alright that the clinch is strong but there should be much risk, high reward for it. Why is there no danger involved? Why is there no elbow KOing the one who tries the insta thai clinch for example? Same goes for the stupid spinning stuff. They forgot the counters.

People like fish say you have to adjust. Adjust to what? To a game poorly designed without important details?

And the ground. The ground is not bad. But the "fill up the meter mechanic without moving" is pretty stupid and once again poorly designed. Add the online latency. Yes poorly designed.

It's like they think 50% and forget about the other 50%. Won't change for a sequel. Pretty sure.

Brilliantly Spoken ^^^^^^ this is everyone i talk to except a few fanboys you mentioned one earlier.

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: out of the last 14 losses all of them in the OP clinch

The game is just poorly designed. Most people say it's balanced, I say it is totally unbalanced. It's alright that the clinch is strong but there should be much risk, high reward for it. Why is there no danger involved? Why is there no elbow KOing the one who tries the insta thai clinch for example? Same goes for the stupid spinning stuff. They forgot the counters.

People like fish say you have to adjust. Adjust to what? To a game poorly designed without important details?

And the ground. The ground is not bad. But the "fill up the meter mechanic without moving" is pretty stupid and once again poorly designed. Add the online latency. Yes poorly designed.

It's like they think 50% and forget about the other 50%. Won't change for a sequel. Pretty sure.

Are you bigpapachriso?

The ground game is amazing. If you spent less time spamming straight, body kick & leg kick head kick combos and actually learned the game you would probably enjoy it