All CLINCH ISSUES + How to fix them

**SUGATA** · 07-08-2016, 04:35 AM

Re: All CLINCH ISSUES + How to fix them

What is your name for the Blank Block and Blank grapple block?

**SUGATA** · 07-19-2016, 02:19 PM

Re: All CLINCH ISSUES + How to fix them

As many including myself said many times, devs, you made AWESOME new Grappling mechanics - very deep, various, strategic, skillful, and very authentic. On the GROUND.

BUT

Clinch uses THE SAME Grappling mechanics, but strangely dont have many features of it.
This needs to be fixed to bring the same depth, skill, realism and strategy to the Clinch as we have on the Ground.

Here the full list:
1) No Grapple block reversal
So, Perfect swoop is not needed.

2) No similar Arm trap technique (grapple strike counter)

3) No momentums (Only one - [If I go from sub MT to SC] I can momentum Single and Double leg TD (not for all TDs/Throws; not for dom MT fighter).<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:TrackMoves/> <w:TrackFormatting/> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w

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4) No context specific grapple moves.
 Context specific GM (Context GM) – GM which becomes available only in specific context [when the opponent starts his GM and until it ends, i.e. while I am in intermediate sub position caused by his GM execution]; this GM’s icon shows up in Grapple HUD instead of standard GM.
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5) No persistent transitions.
 PERSISTENT TRANSITION (PT) – some of GM, that will continue to execute even after the opponent completes his attempted GM.
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6) Grapple mover reversals (counter TD by Submission) strangely has another input and can be pre-emptive w/o any penalties.

Please, bring the same depth to the clinch as we have it on the ground!

**SUGATA** · 02-07-2017, 04:34 PM

Re: All CLINCH ISSUES + How to fix them

After some testing in Practice w GA (Grapple advantage) gauge i noticed the bug - Damaged Legs takes no effect on GA in CLINCH, only in Stand up.

Damaged leg (even one) increases GA meter in Stand up; more red leg = more GA. But when initiate a Clinch, GA resetting to 0 and does not take effect on Clinch Throws and TDs. I think this is not right.

> How ti fix: Clinch need to separate its GA: with damaged Legs no GA for transitions in Clinch, but remain GA for Throws and TDs because this is realistic.

Damage his Leg by Leg kicks – to gain more GA (as it becomes more red = more GA).
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**fishingtime** · 02-07-2017, 04:49 PM

Re: All CLINCH ISSUES + How to fix them

They need to make takedowns from the clinch use both up and down to do multiple takedowns. Down for pushing them. Up for pulling them. This will give a lot more options in the clinch, and will mix it up enough to keep people from always blocking takedowns.

Would also like to see takedown reversals use up as well. Someone shoots on you, time it right and flip them to where you are on top. Adding more takedown options will open up the ground game more.

**Haz____** · 02-07-2017, 05:45 PM