Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

[Boiler569]

Go to about 8 minutes 45 seconds of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IMiXcmdqxY

Watch as this guy spams submission attempt after submission attempt --- 13 in one round --- I escape them all; and he loses almost no permanent stamina?

Anyone else think this needs to be looked at? lol

(Fight was laggy as hell that's why I could barely deny any of these sub attempts....plus the guy was OVR 99 compared to my OVR 82....denying triangle from guard is tough enough; throw in some heavy lag, and a huge stat disadvantage, and you get this garbage lol)

But hey I got my final revenge

Liver Kick to FINISH him --- of course my Left Leg Power is like 35 LMAO

But I had hurt the body big time previously (since all he did was hold high block)

anyway, I won't name and shame or anything. But if you want to see a few bogus things, especially the 13 subs in one round stuff, there ya go! lol

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

Not surprised.

I really don't know what else to say anymore.

[Fearhead24]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

You're a brilliant boxer but man you need to work on your sub denials,, lag or not. When the first submission is to the left the second is always to the right and vice versa. It's not that hard to deny because it's easy to predict. But then again, it might have been the 99 ovr that made it even harder. No offense. I'd really like to play you btw. Sent you a message once but never got a response.

[Boiler569]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

You're a brilliant boxer but man you need to work on your sub denials,, lag or not. When the first submission is to the left the second is always to the right and vice versa. It's not that hard to deny because it's easy to predict. But then again, it might have been the 99 ovr that made it even harder. No offense. I'd really like to play you btw. Sent you a message once but never got a response.

thanks man --- to be honest I probably fought a bit 'cheese' in that fight, throwing a bunch of body punches, b/c of the lag which really screws with my flow, and how lame he was fighting, too (I mean if a guy NEVER drops his hands....you gotta throw to body lol even if it looks a bit gimmicky)

in terms of the sub denials --- I really think it was the lag and stats --- it's hard to tell in that video how laggy it was, but it was badddd lol it was laggy enough that even if i knew exactly where he was going to transition for a sub attempt; most my denials didn't work lol not even 'pre-denials' that SEEMED timed up well but just fell flat

You'll notice that I did block a few subs; then I tried to transition out or posture up, or stand up, and most the times he just applied a second sub to me before I could get out lol

At least I got a lot of sub defense practice in

I think I'll be on for a couple hours before UFC 201 prelims tomorrow, doing my Live Event Pickem fights, so we can spar then if you happen to be on!

[Boiler569]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

complaints about lag/etc aside --- I definitely AGREE that there SHOULD be an opportunity for BJJ specialists to apply multiple sub attempts.

BUT there needs to be some sort of Risk to this reward...

While I know defending a sub DOES take energy...it just feels to me that if a guy is trying 13 attempts in one round, HE would be more burned out than the person defending.

idk maybe not lol but at least we BOTH should have been losing some stamina ---

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

The problem is the game allowing this, not "get good ****"

[King_Clarke1]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

Go to about 8 minutes 45 seconds of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IMiXcmdqxY

Watch as this guy spams submission attempt after submission attempt --- 13 in one round --- I escape them all; and he loses almost no permanent stamina?

Anyone else think this needs to be looked at? lol

(Fight was laggy as hell that's why I could barely deny any of these sub attempts....plus the guy was OVR 99 compared to my OVR 82....denying triangle from guard is tough enough; throw in some heavy lag, and a huge stat disadvantage, and you get this garbage lol)

But hey I got my final revenge

Liver Kick to FINISH him --- of course my Left Leg Power is like 35 LMAO

But I had hurt the body big time previously (since all he did was hold high block)

anyway, I won't name and shame or anything. But if you want to see a few bogus things, especially the 13 subs in one round stuff, there ya go! lol

Its so crazy that that can happen and YES that is a major issue with this game.

But its not just subs...

I beat the number 1 guy in HW in UT on Ps4 and man.... all he did was repeatedly throw the sliding side kick and sweet chin music for the entire fight.

I do not understand how this is possible to miss. I feel like we have witnessed similar behavior in previous games.

I do not want 250 character if it means that fewer resources are used to balance this game and fight "cheesy" tactics.

- As usual I must state for all the haters... this is the best MMA game ever made even with the few issues that still need to be addressed!

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

You had a pretty big stamina advantage on him the whole time.

Without seeing his meter, it's impossible to say what impact that had on the denial window, but it should have been pretty big.

That, along with the predictability of his attempts should have put him in a very dangerous position.

One denial, and you could have easily turned the tables, got an instant SUB with him at zero stamina in the mini game.

Unless...and this is the part I have no way of knowing...there was a huge stat imbalance making the stamina advantage at 50% not as significant as I would imagine it to be.

I think there's some merit to draining some stamina on the guy who attempted the submission when his opponent escapes though.

Can't do it on entry or it will mess with balance way too much.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

You had a pretty big stamina advantage on him the whole time.

Without seeing his meter, it's impossible to say what impact that had on the denial window, but it should have been pretty big.

That, along with the predictability of his attempts should have put him in a very dangerous position.

One denial, and you could have easily turned the tables, got an instant SUB with him at zero stamina in the mini game.

Unless...and this is the part I have no way of knowing...there was a huge stat imbalance making the stamina advantage at 50% not as significant as I would imagine it to be.

I think there's some merit to draining some stamina on the guy who attempted the submission when his opponent escapes though.

Can't do it on entry or it will mess with balance way too much.

Not to rain on your parade. But stamina makes virtually no difference in sub defense in this game. Not sure what you guys changed from EA ufc1 to 2 buts you changed something for sure.

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

thanks man --- to be honest I probably fought a bit 'cheese' in that fight, throwing a bunch of body punches

...Probably?

Your go to set up for the left body hook was... a 1-2 to the body. That a far cry from what I would call someone a brillant boxer to be honest.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

Not to rain on your parade. But stamina makes virtually no difference in sub defense in this game. Not sure what you guys changed from EA ufc1 to 2 buts you changed something for sure.

It does, but the extent to which it does depends on which submission you're attempting.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

It does, but the extent to which it does depends on which submission you're attempting.

In EA UFC 1 you could get a sub on guys almost assured if stamina was low. Not in this game. Idk why

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[Evil97]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

Latency can ruin denials. You have to be right on top of it or it won't deny in time. The one who goes for the most transitions and sub attempts usually wins in these cases. This is a HUGE issue with CAFs with level 5 subs, max sub stats, and chess master.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

In EA UFC 1 you could get a sub on guys almost assured if stamina was low. Not in this game. Idk why

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Like I said, it's because the impact of stamina varies across different kinds of submissions.

The idea is that technical moves that don't require strength and stamina aren't as impacted by stamina as techniques that are more strength based. The motivation was to differentiate technical BJJ fighters from wrestlers, and to add more depth to the meta.

For example, from SUB guard there are 4 possible submissions, and they have different properties.

The arm bar is equally sensitive to stamina and GA differences.

The omoplata and triangle are heavily weighted towards GA, because they are more technical moves.

The guillotine and kimura are heavily weighted towards stamina, because they are more brute force techniques that require less finesse and more strength.

What this means, is if you are sitting on a stamina advantage, you will get a quicker transition going for a guillotine or kimura.

If you are sitting on a GA advantage, you'll get a quicker transition going for the omoplata or triangle.

If you have a little bit of both, you're going to have the most success with the arm bar.

If you have a MASSIVE GA or stamina advantage, you'll get 90% of the speed up no matter which one you choose.

All this plays into the mind games of which transition to pick, and which way to deny when both players know what's up.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Watch This: 13 (FAILED) Submission Attempts in ONE ROUND -- NO STAMINA DRAIN??

This doesn't just apply to submissions, it applies to all transitions, sweeps and getups.

Each moves difficulty is dictated either by stamina, GA or an equal mix of both.