New Patch? New Problems NEEDS FIXING

[OneDrop]

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Funny how most PS4 players disagree. It has something to do with you guys being far behind skill level wise to XB1. Not one person on PS4 knows how to side step effectively thus MM & others thinking its "balanced".

That's a pretty strong statement. You're full of yourself because you're ranked number one. Congratulations, you have a lot of time on your hands and you're great at the game. Does it mean you're THE best? I don't think so.

About your issue, I've started to wonder if you're talking about regular side-steps or like side lunges (the l1 ones). I know how to dodge a lot of strikes with the l1 side dashes and some shouldn't be missing but this is easily countered by a body kick. If you're talking side steps, I am not seeing what you mean as one of my boys spammed it versus me until he ran into a spinning elbow and got knocked out. But then again, I might not know what I'm talking about because I'n on PS4

[trainbyday1]

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Funny how most PS4 players disagree. It has something to do with you guys being far behind skill level wise to XB1. Not one person on PS4 knows how to side step effectively thus MM & others thinking its "balanced".

Let me ask you something - Is it balanced that someone can side step take down/clinch to the point you cannot throw a single strike? Like honestly I wish I could set you up in a game with Relaxed or a few others so you could rage.

If you don't have a better clinch than these people you are 100% screwed. Doesn't matter what your ground is like or striking. THAT is not balanced. You think parries are OP lol, get an xbox and parries will be the least of your concerns..

I am on PS4 and agree with your post. Did you send a video to the DEV's of the side step issue?

[trainbyday1]

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That's a pretty strong statement. You're full of yourself because you're ranked number one. Congratulations, you have a lot of time on your hands and you're great at the game. Does it mean you're THE best? I don't think so.

About your issue, I've started to wonder if you're talking about regular side-steps or like side lunges (the l1 ones). I know how to dodge a lot of strikes with the l1 side dashes and some shouldn't be missing but this is easily countered by a body kick. If you're talking side steps, I am not seeing what you mean as one of my boys spammed it versus me until he ran into a spinning elbow and got knocked out. But then again, I might not know what I'm talking about because I'n on PS4

With all due respect sarcasm is banned on this forum. Please be cognisant of this fact.

[Kenetic NRG]

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That's a pretty strong statement. You're full of yourself because you're ranked number one. Congratulations, you have a lot of time on your hands and you're great at the game. Does it mean you're THE best? I don't think so.

About your issue, I've started to wonder if you're talking about regular side-steps or like side lunges (the l1 ones). I know how to dodge a lot of strikes with the l1 side dashes and some shouldn't be missing but this is easily countered by a body kick. If you're talking side steps, I am not seeing what you mean as one of my boys spammed it versus me until he ran into a spinning elbow and got knocked out. But then again, I might not know what I'm talking about because I'n on PS4

Well, when I can not play PS4 for 4 months and hop on and go 200-0 in LEC I feel like I have the right to critique the skill status of the console. I like PS4 too don't get me wrong. I was also one of the only players on both consoles last game and admitted PS4 had better comp. If you can find any player who is "better" tell them to run a bo5 with me, either console, I'll stream it and we can play for $$.


As for your second comment, I'm talking about the L1 side steps that move you way more than the little "mini" side steps. There is no bonus damage off landing any attack in counter direction of their step AND against a good side stepper 90% of the time you will end up on your *** as soon as you throw a kick. (Reasoning - Side stepping a strike gives +GA, them kicking gives +GA, when combined with a headsway forward gives +GA so the take down that follows is HIGHLY unblockable. And yes that trifecta happens a lot vs good side steppers)

Edit - I want to clarify - being on PS4 DOESN'T mean your opinions are worthless: I'm saying that PS4 hasn't experienced certain aspects of high level play. When I played LEC over there not many people understood head sways and it was quite difficult because the entire PS4 meta was/is held back by jab/straight - body kick.

[OneDrop]

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Well, when I can not play PS4 for 4 months and hop on and go 200-0 in LEC I feel like I have the right to critique the skill status of the console. I like PS4 too don't get me wrong. I was also one of the only players on both consoles last game and admitted PS4 had better comp. If you can find any player who is "better" tell them to run a bo5 with me, either console, I'll stream it and we can play for $$.


As for your second comment, I'm talking about the L1 side steps that move you way more than the little "mini" side steps. There is no bonus damage off landing any attack in counter direction of their step AND against a good side stepper 90% of the time you will end up on your *** as soon as you throw a kick. (Reasoning - Side stepping a strike gives +GA, them kicking gives +GA, when combined with a headsway forward gives +GA so the take down that follows is HIGHLY unblockable. And yes that trifecta happens a lot vs good side steppers)

Edit - I want to clarify - being on PS4 DOESN'T mean your opinions are worthless: I'm saying that PS4 hasn't experienced certain aspects of high level play. When I played LEC over there not many people understood head sways and it was quite difficult because the entire PS4 meta was/is held back by jab/straight - body kick.

Okay fair enough. It's nice to have a top player around but what I was trying to say was you shouldn't be shoving the fact you're a top player in our face and act as if the rest doesn't have a valuable opinion. You clarified this isn't the case but it might intimidate some of the other posters.

This doesn't mean I don't agree with your opinion. I see your point but I haven't been confronted with the side step trifecta cheese you mentioned. I'm only in div 6 because I don't really had the time to get any higher. I notice how I can dodge hooks that should find and do extra damage when I side step into the direction the hook is coming from. Not sure if the side step itself needs a nerf as in for example a greater stamina cost, I'd rather have it where hooks and other strikes from that direction find the sidestepper and do extra damage.

[Kenetic NRG]

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Okay fair enough. It's nice to have a top player around but what I was trying to say was you shouldn't be shoving the fact you're a top player in our face and act as if the rest doesn't have a valuable opinion. You clarified this isn't the case but it might intimidate some of the other posters.

This doesn't mean I don't agree with your opinion. I see your point but I haven't been confronted with the side step trifecta cheese you mentioned. I'm only in div 6 because I don't really had the time to get any higher. I notice how I can dodge hooks that should find and do extra damage when I side step into the direction the hook is coming from. Not sure if the side step itself needs a nerf as in for example a greater stamina cost, I'd rather have it where hooks and other strikes from that direction find the sidestepper and do extra damage.

Exactly. If you land a body kick going IN to the direction that was stepped, increase damage should take place. That also goes for head sway counters; such as swaying and getting hit by a hook that is going into the sway.

Essentially momentum based counter striking. If their chin is down (leaning forward), upward momentum based attacks increase in damage (Uppercuts, crane kicks, head knees). Left or right sway would be increased hook damage (hey maybe hooks would finally be useful?!), and leaning back would result in increased body damage / straight strike damage (Think Diaz vs Conor 1).

It depends on how you look at it. 'Buffing' something can negatively impact something else. If you increased the counter damage on a side step, it would technically be a nerf to the side step all the while buffing counter damage.

[Boiler569]

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Never lean forward to avoid strikes. Head sway BACKWARDS (and side to side occasionally) to avoid strikes. Head movement still works very, very well for me post-patch; head sway counters are my bread and butter. Lean forward only for takedowns, and do so only at your own risk --- I like this new mechanic compared to how it was previously.

I have been caught a few times 'being lazy' with my leans; but now I'm much more careful to not lean forward unless i'm going for a takedown/faking a takedown --- even then be careful!

If you lose GA for leaning backwards --- and you gain GA for leaning forwards --- you should take more damage leaning forward; especially from uppercuts/knees!

all that said, what Kinetic proposed sounds much better lol but we'll have to push for that in UFC 3 --- for a patch, I think this new mechanic is better than nothing

I haven't had any lag on PS4 but to be honest only played a couple dozen matches the past week

'weak block' was massively overpowered and deserved the nerf. It actually needs another 10% nerf IMO (unless they completely overhaul the guard mechanic; which I prefer; but that's a UFC 3 hope as well, would require a full physics re-work)

But I definitely agree --- catching up to RUNNERS is a big problem in 'finish the fight' --- hell just closing the distance in this game is a bitch lol I usually use short fighters so I might be a bit bias...but pretty sure everyone agrees, there needs to be more forward-moving head movement (bob and weave) and *lunging* strikes next game

[DubyaTO]

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- Head kicks right now are absolutely ridiculous in how fast they are. ONLY very few fighters in the UFC can throw head kicks that fast. Either slow down the speed of the head kicks, especially the lead head kick, or reduce the damage it does. I vote nerfing the damage it does as opposed to slowing them down so that it doesn't affect guys like Thompson who actually kicks very fast.

I've been saying this since day 1.

[SpartanZombieXD]

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Funny how most PS4 players disagree. It has something to do with you guys being far behind skill level wise to XB1. Not one person on PS4 knows how to side step effectively thus MM & others thinking its "balanced".

Let me ask you something - Is it balanced that someone can side step take down/clinch to the point you cannot throw a single strike? Like honestly I wish I could set you up in a game with Relaxed or a few others so you could rage.

If you don't have a better clinch than these people you are 100% screwed. Doesn't matter what your ground is like or striking. THAT is not balanced. You think parries are OP lol, get an xbox and parries will be the least of your concerns..

Just wanna take Umbrage with that comment aswell, bit uncalled for :/

If someone is side stepping TD me, I keep the distance and let there stamina run down :/ I'm not saying it shouldn't be changed, I don't use sidesteps too much as it usually goes wrong for me, however this seems a pretty good counter to it :/ Its never been an issue that has annoyed me to the point of thinking it needs a patch, anyway

[fishingtime]

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Just tried it on XB1 for the first time in a while. Absolutely unplayable. Every match I was behind because of input delay. Controller is updated. Great connection. Absolute trash. PS4 feels great. Getting rid of this **** box.

[SMOKEZERO]

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Kenetic, great post. Wanted to comment about suggesting a damage buff for the lunge into same side kicks. I have to disagree as there is a power arc especially for round kicks. Moving into or out of that power arc can greatly reduce the effectiveness of those strikes. A guy like Niecky Holtzken is a master of this as he was never in Raymond Daniels power arc. I do agree that something should be addressed in a gameplay aspect though.

[DARFICUS]

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Well, when I can not play PS4 for 4 months and hop on and go 200-0 in LEC I feel like I have the right to critique the skill status of the console. I like PS4 too don't get me wrong. I was also one of the only players on both consoles last game and admitted PS4 had better comp. If you can find any player who is "better" tell them to run a bo5 with me, either console, I'll stream it and we can play for $$.


As for your second comment, I'm talking about the L1 side steps that move you way more than the little "mini" side steps. There is no bonus damage off landing any attack in counter direction of their step AND against a good side stepper 90% of the time you will end up on your *** as soon as you throw a kick. (Reasoning - Side stepping a strike gives +GA, them kicking gives +GA, when combined with a headsway forward gives +GA so the take down that follows is HIGHLY unblockable. And yes that trifecta happens a lot vs good side steppers)

Edit - I want to clarify - being on PS4 DOESN'T mean your opinions are worthless: I'm saying that PS4 hasn't experienced certain aspects of high level play. When I played LEC over there not many people understood head sways and it was quite difficult because the entire PS4 meta was/is held back by jab/straight - body kick.

There's a lot of guys on PS4 who would beat you

The very best players aren't in the top ten on the leaderboard

STAN_SMITH--FR-- would slaughter you imo, he's the best I've ever seen

Sercrocodile
Saintclarachapa
Ivlev1988

Those guys would do well against you too

I think Stan would toy with you though

[Haz____]

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There's a lot of guys on PS4 who would beat you

The very best players aren't in the top ten on the leaderboard

STAN_SMITH--FR-- would slaughter you imo, he's the best I've ever seen

Sercrocodile
Saintclarachapa
Ivlev1988

Those guys would do well against you too

I think Stan would toy with you though

I doubt it.

[DARFICUS]

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I doubt it.

Then doubt it

I don't see why he's getting so hyped over the Live event

The best players didn't even participate in the PS4

Xbox 1 isn't that impressive

[Kenetic NRG]

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Then doubt it

I don't see why he's getting so hyped over the Live event

The best players didn't even participate in the PS4

Xbox 1 isn't that impressive

Stan is french and has a pretty bad connection & abuses side steps. I went 4-1 vs him.

Rob LFC who has a almost identical record as STAN and a winning rivalries with him, I went 10-1 against.

Ask Lyev to show you our rivalries.

Chapa is a decent player but brazillian and quite laggy. Not sure what my record with him is but he wouldn't crack top 10 on Xbox if he had a good connection.