Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Transitioning from DOM Guard --> DOM halfguard was slowed down. SUB transitions in guard were untouched.

Rubber guard is fast, if you have a slow TV you can't reactively deny it.

[JustBlazeM8]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Transitioning from DOM Guard --> DOM halfguard was slowed down. SUB transitions in guard were untouched.

Rubber guard is fast, if you have a slow TV you can't reactively deny it.

A problem I face every damn time. RIP.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Transitioning from DOM Guard --> DOM halfguard was slowed down. SUB transitions in guard were untouched.

Were the submission entries left untouched, too?

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Were the submission entries left untouched, too?

Yeah. Only thing that was changed was for DOM position guard passing.

[HereticGabriel]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Don't forget there are also delays between the transition bar and the animation at times. Rubber guard, triangle, and quite a few others, the bar will fill up before any animation is started, so if you react to the movement, its already too late.

Doesn't always happen, but does a few times a match for me. Not just from me being the one unable to deny, but I've seen my transition to triangle, or even a takedown in clinch bar fill completely, while the fighter is still and doesn't move until the transition is completed and you can't deny even with perfect timing as you would of had to pre-deny it

[Bigg Cee]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Don't forget there are also delays between the transition bar and the animation at times. Rubber guard, triangle, and quite a few others, the bar will fill up before any animation is started, so if you react to the movement, its already too late.

Doesn't always happen, but does a few times a match for me. Not just from me being the one unable to deny, but I've seen my transition to triangle, or even a takedown in clinch bar fill completely, while the fighter is still and doesn't move until the transition is completed and you can't deny even with perfect timing as you would of had to pre-deny it

Ya that happens a lot during laggy matches. The triangle From full guard I get a lot . I'm already done with the sub but my Fighter was not even moving and I was able to lock it in.

[Haz____]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Ya that happens a lot during laggy matches. The triangle From full guard I get a lot . I'm already done with the sub but my Fighter was not even moving and I was able to lock it in.

The Triangle is literally broken. You have to pre deny, or your getting caught.

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

The Triangle is literally broken. You have to pre deny, or your getting caught.

The triangle is mad slow what?

[Haz____]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

The triangle is mad slow what?

Ask 95% of the people on this forum. Rubber Guard and Triangle Chokes are near impossible to deny.

word. I'm talking about submissions outside of rubber guard, like from full guard. it seems I get caught in triangle attempts most frequently.

The triangle From full guard I get a lot . I'm already done with the sub but my Fighter was not even moving and I was able to lock it in.

Don't forget there are also delays between the transition bar and the animation at times. Rubber guard, triangle, and quite a few others, the bar will fill up before any animation is started, so if you react to the movement, its already too late.

I've seen my transition to triangle bar fill completely, while the fighter is still and doesn't move until the transition is completed and you can't deny even with perfect timing as you would of had to pre-deny it

That's literally why this thread was created...

[Bigg Cee]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

Ask 95% of the people on this forum. Rubber Guard and Triangle Chokes are near impossible to deny.





That's literally why this thread was created..

The triangle from full guard is so easy to deny but when there's lag or just when the action is going fast and there a lot of quick transitions then that's when you see the triangle transition get completed before your fighter ever even does the animation.

But overall the triangle is a pretty easy sub to deny. Try denying the kimura from full guard with a old tv and that's harder. That's the reason I went out and found the lowest input tv out there. I needed rubber guard and that dumb kimura ppl spam "yes I do too. lol" blocked from ppl doing it over and over to me. Now I deny even with the lowest rated fighters in the game. Rubber guard and triangles are easy denials with my eyes closed.

[Haz____]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

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The triangle is mad slow what?

Ask 95% of the people on this forum. Rubber Guard and Triangle Chokes are near impossible to deny.

word. I'm talking about submissions outside of rubber guard, like from full guard. it seems I get caught in triangle attempts most frequently.

The triangle From full guard I get a lot . I'm already done with the sub but my Fighter was not even moving and I was able to lock it in.

Don't forget there are also delays between the transition bar and the animation at times. Rubber guard, triangle, and quite a few others, the bar will fill up before any animation is started, so if you react to the movement, its already too late.

I've seen my transition to triangle bar fill completely, while the fighter is still and doesn't move until the transition is completed and you can't deny even with perfect timing as you would of had to pre-deny it

That's literally why this thread was created...


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Triangles are an issue. Many, many, many people have problems denying them. It's been brought up in the forums over and over again. Anyone here still is a hardcore player and i'm sure knows how to deny transitions just fine, yet we're all still complaining about the Triangle. There's a reason for that. My denials are ON POINT, and I get caught in that stupid move all the damn time.

So Bigg. Basically what you're saying is I need a $2000 TV to block transitions properly?

[Haz____]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

..when there's lag or just when the action is going fast and there a lot of quick transitions then that's when you see the triangle transition get completed before your fighter ever even does the animation.

That should never, ever happen. The game's grappling mechanics revolve entirely around seeing and responding to those animations. If the transition is happening without an animation, the mechanic is broken.

[Bigg Cee]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

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Ask 95% of the people on this forum. Rubber Guard and Triangle Chokes are near impossible to deny.







That's literally why this thread was created...


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Triangles are an issue. Many, many, many people have problems denying them. It's been brought up in the forums over and over again. Anyone here still is a hardcore player and i'm sure knows how to deny transitions just fine, yet we're all still complaining about the Triangle. There's a reason for that. My denials are ON POINT, and I get caught in that stupid move all the damn time.

So Bigg. Basically what you're saying is I need a $2000 TV to block transitions properly?

Oh hell no!!!!!!

Just $500-600 is all you need Haz. Did you not see the tv link I posted for Dave and the reviews based on input lag.

Vizio D series. Best gaming tv on the market in terms of input lag and motion. And it's a 4K tv. 13.4 ms the lowest ever recorded for a tv. Available at target.

It's a budget gaming tv. It's a great tv for gaming (fighting games and shooters)

Vizio D series 4K UHD tv.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/d-series-4k-2016

1080p @ 60Hz Show Help : 13.5 ms
1080p With Interpolation Show Help : N/A
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode Show Help : 80.1 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : N/A
4k @ 60Hz Show Help : 13.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : N/A
4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help : N/A
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR Show Help : N/A

This is the lowest input lag we have measured on a TV so far. The time it takes for the TV to respond to a controller input is extremely low. Any serious gamers, even those playing competitively, should be pleased with the Vizio D. To get the input lag to a minimum, we had to use the 'Game' picture mode and the HDMI 5 input. For the HDMI 1, the 1080p input lag under game mode (with 'Game Low Latency' on) is 42.2ms.

What I highlighted in bold is HDMI port 5 the 4K port you plug your PS4 pro in and that's the 13.4 ms port you use to play UFC 2.

[Haz____]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

I have like a 6 year old Dynex..,

Just looked it up, and there's seriously innumerable complaints of horrible input lag rendering games near unplayable..

This explains a lot.

How have I been using this thing for so long without realizing?

[Bigg Cee]

Re: Why is rubber guard and some submission attempts so hard to deny?

I put in bold key info for you. It's a ****ing game changer!!!

Mine is a 50in I got for $450 during the sales.