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  • TheVirus
    Rookie
    • Oct 2017
    • 162

    #136
    Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

    Originally posted by MalformedDC2009
    I read that GPD will be watching to see of leg kicks are OP. If they are OP in the beta please don't make them less powerful!

    Instead, balance them with a larger vulnerability window. This is the equivalent of how they are balanced in real life, the threat of eating a big right hand.

    This will keep things intense in the stand up, knowing that there is a big risk /reward for sneaking these in.



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    You're 100% right, I'm just praying the game isn't dumbed down 'stats' wise so fighters can take 100s of punches and kicks, I want to feel anxious as hell fighting, knowing one punch or kick could knock me out and cost me the entire fight.

    I want the game to be the most hardcore of the series.
    Last edited by TheVirus; 11-09-2017, 11:19 AM.

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    • Yaari
      MVP
      • Feb 2014
      • 1496

      #137
      Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

      Eh, I don't know. You need to see that kick before you can make those claims. From my perspective the legkick builds up damage and before it ever finishes anyone, it slows them down. But I don't remember ever seeing this in round 1. So unless you are dealing with someone that doesn't ever check anything, you should still have to work for it IMO.

      I like the idea but am a little worried for it too because IMO it is one of the easier strikes to land in any MMA game so far.

      When I think of the kicking speed some of those Ultimate Team CAFs have in EA UFC2.. ouch. That was a mess with leg kicks in the UFC2 beta..

      Atleast there'll be risk/reward now but still..

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      • MalformedDC2009
        Banned
        • Feb 2016
        • 279

        #138
        Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

        Originally posted by Serengeti95
        I have a feeling you can already counter leg kicks effectively this way.... Which is going to be amazing. I honestly can't wait for all these kinds of intricacies in the striking. Lets hope straight punches aren't too OP though. I felt like they were last time around.
        Yeah and it may take time for casuals to learn how to counter leg kicks with quick straights. So don't overreact GPD if they are OP at first.

        I think straight punches are the most effective in real life too though. In boxing for example, it is taught that the jab is the most important strike of all. Guys can wins entire rounds with just their jab and good footwork.

        I definitely agree though that hooks, uppercuts, etc. should be more effective options, especially for shorter fighters. I have a feeling they will be now with the new controls allowing head movement while going forward. Fighting in a Tyson-esque style now will be super fun.

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        • Generative James
          VideoGame PseudoScientist
          • Jun 2016
          • 463

          #139
          Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

          Originally posted by MalformedDC2009
          I read that GPD will be watching to see of leg kicks are OP. If they are OP in the beta please don't make them less powerful!

          Instead, balance them with a larger vulnerability window. This is the equivalent of how they are balanced in real life, the threat of eating a big right hand.

          This will keep things intense in the stand up, knowing that there is a big risk /reward for sneaking these in.



          Sent from my MotoG3 using Operation Sports mobile app
          I like this because I want more options against leg kicks than just checking them.

          I believe GPD said that if someone is holding low block and is leg kicked, it is a kick check but if they hit low block at the last second it is still a block but not a check. This makes me fear that leg kick checks will be more OP than the leg kicks themselves!

          If leg kick checks and straight cross punches are both designed to counter leg kicks, I think it could be a good balance without relying on just checking.
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          • GameplayDevUFC
            Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
            • Jun 2014
            • 2830

            #140
            Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

            Originally posted by Generative James
            I like this because I want more options against leg kicks than just checking them.

            I believe GPD said that if someone is holding low block and is leg kicked, it is a kick check but if they hit low block at the last second it is still a block but not a check. This makes me fear that leg kick checks will be more OP than the leg kicks themselves!

            If leg kick checks and straight cross punches are both designed to counter leg kicks, I think it could be a good balance without relying on just checking.
            The thing is, leg kicks can be used two different ways.

            One is throwing them out there to try and widdle down long term health of the legs, at the risk of a check.

            The other is to use them to cripple overly aggressive fighters who lunge or sway while moving forward, or throw power shots moving forwards. Catch them as they are about to put their weight on the lead leg and it does way more damage, and interrupts the attack.

            It's that second case I worry about, because a lot of people are going to be overly aggressive.

            Someone who gets good at timing leg kicks against predictable, aggressive opponents will absolutely demolish them.

            Leg health doesn't regenerate, so once you take big damage, you really have to adapt your style to survive.

            All this stuff is exactly the way I want it, I am just curious to see if the player base is sophisticated enough to handle this, or if the masses are able to figure out the leg offence game, but not the defensive game and all fights become these weird leg kicking battles.

            I don't know what's going to happen.

            But it's not going to be like anything you've experienced before, that I can guarantee.

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            • smokeface
              Rookie
              • Aug 2017
              • 415

              #141
              Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

              Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
              The thing is, leg kicks can be used two different ways.

              One is throwing them out there to try and widdle down long term health of the legs, at the risk of a check.

              The other is to use them to cripple overly aggressive fighters who lunge or sway while moving forward, or throw power shots moving forwards. Catch them as they are about to put their weight on the lead leg and it does way more damage, and interrupts the attack.

              It's that second case I worry about, because a lot of people are going to be overly aggressive.

              Someone who gets good at timing leg kicks against predictable, aggressive opponents will absolutely demolish them.

              Leg health doesn't regenerate, so once you take big damage, you really have to adapt your style to survive.

              All this stuff is exactly the way I want it, I am just curious to see if the player base is sophisticated enough to handle this, or if the masses are able to figure out the leg offence game, but not the defensive game and all fights become these weird leg kicking battles.

              I don't know what's going to happen.

              But it's not going to be like anything you've experienced before, that I can guarantee.
              Excited to see it play out. I think the way you have it is the way it should be. It will be interesting.

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              • GameplayDevUFC
                Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
                • Jun 2014
                • 2830

                #142
                Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                Originally posted by AydinDubstep
                I reckon the casuals vs casuals will have a blast! Going in and KO'ing each other from a few punches is reminiscent of FNC online where people would pick Tyson and blitz for 1 or 2 rounds, then D/C or get murdered in the 3rd round by the patient fighter.

                Those kinda people will love this game I reckon, until they run into one of the Operation Sports guys...
                That's what I hope.

                KO'ing people is fun, aggression is fun, and this game will make that experience a lot more exciting than what UFC 2 offered.

                To them it might even feel like KO mode but with the full game.

                It won't be until you get to a higher level of skill that you start to see fights lasting longer or going the distance.

                Those will be the technical battles that might bore casuals, but that's what players of that skill level want.

                If it plays out that way we'll hit that sweet spot we've never quite managed.

                I'm excited to see if it works.

                I'm sure someone will ruin it with some exploit that we'll have to fix, but right now, playing the game among the dev team, no one has found an exploit yet and the game is beautiful to play.
                Last edited by GameplayDevUFC; 11-09-2017, 01:45 PM.

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                • Rolltide1980
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2017
                  • 454

                  #143
                  Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                  Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
                  The thing is, leg kicks can be used two different ways.

                  One is throwing them out there to try and widdle down long term health of the legs, at the risk of a check.

                  The other is to use them to cripple overly aggressive fighters who lunge or sway while moving forward, or throw power shots moving forwards. Catch them as they are about to put their weight on the lead leg and it does way more damage, and interrupts the attack.

                  It's that second case I worry about, because a lot of people are going to be overly aggressive.

                  Someone who gets good at timing leg kicks against predictable, aggressive opponents will absolutely demolish them.

                  Leg health doesn't regenerate, so once you take big damage, you really have to adapt your style to survive.

                  All this stuff is exactly the way I want it, I am just curious to see if the player base is sophisticated enough to handle this, or if the masses are able to figure out the leg offence game, but not the defensive game and all fights become these weird leg kicking battles.

                  I don't know what's going to happen.

                  But it's not going to be like anything you've experienced before, that I can guarantee.
                  Man,now you ruined my day......im gonna be stuck working late thinking about that beta even more than I already have been!! Gonna be a LOOONG 18 day wait(if I even get a code). I have a feeling that with how you have the game setup with leg kicks doing much more damage,the people who exploit this and become too predictable will get countered and won't last long with the counters being more punishing now. Knowing you are one well placed punch or kick away from getting KO'ed I think is going to force people to fight much smarter than they have in the past. The only situation I can foresee being a possibility is both fighters fighting really tentatively the opening roubd,both players looking to land well placed counters, but then again this is how alot of MMA fights play out anyways,so not necessarily a bad thing. Casuals may be turned off if they're watching a live stream but the more die hard fans will love this more of a chess match pace.
                  Last edited by Rolltide1980; 11-09-2017, 01:53 PM.

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                  • WarMMA
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 4612

                    #144
                    Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                    Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
                    That's what I hope.

                    KO'ing people is fun, aggression is fun, and this game will make that experience a lot more exciting that what UFC 2 offered.

                    To them it might even feel like KO mode but with the full game.

                    It won't be until you get to a higher level of skill that you start to see fights lasting longer or going the distance.

                    Those will be the technical battles that might bore casuals, but that's what players of that skill level want.

                    If it plays out that way we'll hit that sweet spot we've never quite managed.

                    I'm excited to see if it works.

                    I'm sure someone will ruin it with some exploit that we'll have to fix, but right now, playing the game among the dev team, no one has found an exploit yet and the game is beautiful to play.
                    Well that's what the beta is for. We'll find the exploits for you guys

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                    • GameplayDevUFC
                      Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 2830

                      #145
                      Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                      Originally posted by Rolltide1980
                      Man,now you ruined my day......im gonna be stuck working late thibkibfbabkut that beta even more than I already have been!! Gonna be a LOOONG 18 day wait(if I even get a code). I have a feeling that with how you have the game setup with leg kicks doing much more damage,the people who exploit this and become too predictable will get countered and won't last long with the counters being more punishing now. Knowing you are one well placed punch or kick away from getting KO'ed I think is going to force people to fight much smarter than they have in the past. The only situation I can foresee being a possibility is both fighters fighting really tentatively the opening roubd,both players looking to land well placed counters, but then again this is how alot of MMA fights play out anyways,so not necessarily a bad thing. Casuals may be turned off if they're watching a live stream but the more die hard fans will love this more of a chess match pace.
                      My thoughts exactly.

                      And I can't wait to watch some high skill level streams.

                      Will be really, really interesting.

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                      • WarMMA
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4612

                        #146
                        Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                        Originally posted by Rolltide1980
                        Man,now you ruined my day......im gonna be stuck working late thibkibfbabkut that beta even more than I already have been!! Gonna be a LOOONG 18 day wait(if I even get a code). I have a feeling that with how you have the game setup with leg kicks doing much more damage,the people who exploit this and become too predictable will get countered and won't last long with the counters being more punishing now. Knowing you are one well placed punch or kick away from getting KO'ed I think is going to force people to fight much smarter than they have in the past. The only situation I can foresee being a possibility is both fighters fighting really tentatively the opening roubd,both players looking to land well placed counters, but then again this is how alot of MMA fights play out anyways,so not necessarily a bad thing. Casuals may be turned off if they're watching a live stream but the more die hard fans will love this more of a chess match pace.
                        Or they will get the **** checked out of their leg kicks. GPD already said checks do damage this time around.

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                        • Rolltide1980
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2017
                          • 454

                          #147
                          Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                          Originally posted by WarMMA
                          Or they will get the **** checked out of their leg kicks. GPD already said checks do damage this time around.
                          Yep most definitely,I don't think people will be able to spam leg kicks against anyone who has a decent grasp of the game. I'll try to mix a few in with my combos,maybe every now and then lead with one but I definitely won't be looking to throw several in a row,unless my opponent is completely clueless as how to defend or avoid them.

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                          • WarMMA
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 4612

                            #148
                            Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                            Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
                            Leg health doesn't regenerate, so once you take big damage, you really have to adapt your style to survive.
                            Yes! So fights can actually play out like stephens/melendes type, where melendes got his leg chewed up over the course of the fight and eventually was getting hurt easy to the legs...

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                            • Rolltide1980
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2017
                              • 454

                              #149
                              Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                              @GameplayDevUFC Any chance of some footage of a couple guys from the dev team throwing down ?? Would give us a good idea what we get to look forward to when you have 2 great players squaring off

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                              • GameplayDevUFC
                                Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
                                • Jun 2014
                                • 2830

                                #150
                                Re: EA Sports UFC 3 Beta!!

                                Originally posted by Rolltide1980
                                Yep most definitely,I don't think people will be able to spam leg kicks against anyone who has a decent grasp of the game. I'll try to mix a few in with my combos,maybe every now and then lead with one but I definitely won't be looking to throw several in a row,unless my opponent is completely clueless as how to defend or avoid them.
                                I can't remember if I posted this before, but from full stamina full health, if one fighter spams two leg kicks in a row that both get checked, they get a health event.

                                If they continue and spam two more while in the health event, there will be a leg KD.

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