prohibit game changers from lecs

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

Tbh the best grapplers will be at the top of the leaderboards as there is no danger of a one strike KO.

Except when initiating the grapple with a TD or clinch.

[Trillz]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

Except when initiating the grapple with a TD or clinch.

Yh thats true i should rephrase that statement, you have to be the best all rounder in this game, the ones who can strike enough to set up their clinch or TD attempts if they are great grapplers will be best. Compared to pure strikers with good ground game.

Also it depends on the meta of the game at the time because patch changes can slighty alter how the game can be played at the top level, so it will be intresting to see whats op and how the changes will change at the top.

[aholbert32]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

Tbh the best grapplers will be at the top of the leaderboards as there is no danger of a one strike KO.

I wouldn’t say that necessarily. There is a lot of vulnerability when shooting for takedowns or missing clinch attempts.


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[Haz____]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

It has nothing to do with having extra time to practice.. That's literally not the argument i'm making at all..

It's the principal of it; that having influence on the development of the game, in context of a future tournament with money on the line, is a direct Conflict of Interest.

Is Kinetic making suggestions to the Devs to make a better MMA game? Or are his suggestions rooted in catering mechanics to his playstyle to win $10,000 a few months down the road in the Tournament?

There is a reason why pro players in other competitive games, after being brought in for design and balance help are not allowed to compete for a set amount of time after. And it's because of Conflict of Interest.

It has nothing to do with having an extra few days to practice.

[Trillz]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

It has nothing to do with having extra time to practice.. That's literally not the argument i'm making at all..

It's the principal of it; that having influence on the development of the game, in context of a future tournament with money on the line, is a direct Conflict of Interest.

Is Kinetic making suggestions to the Devs to make a better MMA game? Or are his suggestions rooted in catering mechanics to his playstyle to win $10,000 a few months down the road in the Tournament?

There is a reason why pro players in other competitive games, after being brought in for design and balance help are not allowed to compete for a set amount of time after. And it's because of Conflict of Interest.

It has nothing to do with having an extra few days to practice.

I get what you are saying, if they had a LEC straight away someone like kentic will have a big advantage to dominate and be top.

However if they give the players a few months to dissect the game before they put on the event, it should even out the playing field as everyone will be used to how the game works and the little things that can make a difference.

[Haz____]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

I get what you are saying, if they had a LEC straight away someone like kentic will have a big advantage to dominate and be top.

However if they give the players a few months to dissect the game before they put on the event, it should even out the playing field as everyone will be used to how the game works and the little things that can make a difference.

It has nothing to do with time to play......

[aholbert32]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

It has nothing to do with having extra time to practice.. That's literally not the argument i'm making at all..

It's the principal of it; that having influence on the development of the game, in context of a future tournament with money on the line, is a direct Conflict of Interest.

Is Kinetic making suggestions to the Devs to make a better MMA game? Or are his suggestions rooted in catering mechanics to his playstyle to win $10,000 a few months down the road in the Tournament?

There is a reason why pro players in other competitive games, after being brought in for design and balance help are not allowed to compete for a set amount of time after. And it's because of Conflict of Interest.

It has nothing to do with having an extra few days to practice.

Lets play this out:

Kenetic has a faster and more aggressive standup play style than most so for the sake of arguing lets say all of his suggestions are focused on making that play style the best path to win.

First, he would have to convince the other Gamechangers that his suggestions were best for the game. There isnt a single suggestion that a gamechanger has presented that has been implemented in the game without the large majority of gamechangers agreeing to it. Anyone who knows me or Martial knows that at the minimum we would be against the play style he would hypothetically be suggesting.

Second, he would have to convince the devs that his suggestions were best for the game. Which isnt an easy task. Its not as simple as talking to GPD. GPD would then talk to the dev team about the suggestion and they would make a decision from there.

If Kenetic's or anyone's suggestion is good for the game, I dont have a problem with it even if does help them succeed in an LEC. My point is there are significant hurdles in place to make sure that any suggestion isnt just for self interest.

Now if you are talking about the appearance of influence or perceived influence, that could be an issue but it doesnt appear to me that EA gives a **** about that. Especially when so few people complained about it during last year's LEC.

Zack was in the LEC semis because he's good at the game and was willing to grind for days to get the wins he needed. I have a feeling that he and Kenetic will likely do the same if there is another LEC.

[Evil97]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

This thread is a joke right? We are all playing the same game. Get good for crying out loud.

[CAPTAINKUKAMUNGA]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

This thread is a joke right? We are all playing the same game. Get good for crying out loud.

completely agree.Way too many cry babies in other games don`t start bringing them into this game too.take your *** whooping like a man if someone is better at the game that`s because they took the time too learn the mechanics.

[Boiler569]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

I see where you're coming from Haz

IMO if the GCers had 24/7 access to the Beta Build (and Beyond) for 3+ months before the rest of us --- and the LEC was a month after launch --- that's an issue.

But it seems they only get a slight amount of 'extra' time with it --- a few dozen hours? --- and yes, they may try to tilt the Devs to lean a certain way based on their playstyle, but not sure if that makes an extremely material difference.

Also, there are 5 or 6 GCers so you'd have to assume each would be trying to 'tilt the table' in their personal direction --- which may end up making the whole thing a push

i.e. if Kinetic pushes hard for one thing that benefits him; Zhunter pushes for something that's nearly the opposite --- probably will be a wash in the end.

So overall, I get where you're coming from. But for this specific circumstance, I had no problem at all w/ GCers getting into the action.

If it was a $100k tournament though.....

[ZHunter1990]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

Also should be noted that the devs know there are competitive players on the team and withold information that would give us advantages.

This includes things like LEC dates and judging criteria.

[aholbert32]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

I see where you're coming from Haz

IMO if the GCers had 24/7 access to the Beta Build (and Beyond) for 3+ months before the rest of us --- and the LEC was a month after launch --- that's an issue.

But it seems they only get a slight amount of 'extra' time with it --- a few dozen hours? --- and yes, they may try to tilt the Devs to lean a certain way based on their playstyle, but not sure if that makes an extremely material difference.

Also, there are 5 or 6 GCers so you'd have to assume each would be trying to 'tilt the table' in their personal direction --- which may end up making the whole thing a push

i.e. if Kinetic pushes hard for one thing that benefits him; Zhunter pushes for something that's nearly the opposite --- probably will be a wash in the end.

So overall, I get where you're coming from. But for this specific circumstance, I had no problem at all w/ GCers getting into the action.

If it was a $100k tournament though.....

Not even that. At most maybe 20-25 when you take away the time we spent discussing the game with the devs or seeing what went on behind the scenes. Even with that 20, the game was buggy as hell and wasnt tuned at all. The beta was significantly different.

[Trillz]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

Not even that. At most maybe 20-25 when you take away the time we spent discussing the game with the devs or seeing what went on behind the scenes. Even with that 20, the game was buggy as hell and wasnt tuned at all. The beta was significantly different.

Is there another meeting before the game drops? Or is that it?

[aholbert32]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

Is there another meeting before the game drops? Or is that it?

I dont know yet. With UFC 2, we went to Vancouver the weekend before it came out on EA Access. If its the same for UFC 3, we would go out there the 3rd week of January. Nothing is planned yet but I'm hopeful.

[Yaari]

Re: prohibit game changers from lecs

I'm pretty sure they do a pre-launch GC event for every EA Sports title.