Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

[aholbert32]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Agreed. There's been super close fights which really should be a draw, but instead becomes a dice roll. Draws are so rare anyway that most people wouldn't mind. UD3 had draws and I had my second draw ever a month ago or so. And I've had loads of fights, offline and quite a few online.

How do you know? According to convos I've had the with devs, the game doesnt tell you when its using the dice roll. Buffer just reads the scorecards as is (thats why Buffer will sometimes announce a 48-47, 47-47, 47-47 winner when it should be a draw).

For example, I used to think that when Buffer failed to announce the scorecards and just said "The winner by split decision is..." that mean it was a draw and the winner was randomly chosen. When I asked the devs about this they said that it was just a audio bug and had nothing to do with a draw.

DONT GET ME WRONG. I want draws in the game. I think the devs should just say **** it, mo cap a few draw animations and throw them in.

With that said, I think we overestimate the amount of close fights that wouldve resulted in a draw simply because draws arent possible in the game.

[TheUFCVeteran]

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How do you know? According to convos I've had the with devs, the game doesnt tell you when its using the dice roll. Buffer just reads the scorecards as is (thats why Buffer will sometimes announce a 48-47, 47-47, 47-47 winner when it should be a draw).

For example, I used to think that when Buffer failed to announce the scorecards and just said "The winner by split decision is..." that mean it was a draw and the winner was randomly chosen. When I asked the devs about this they said that it was just a audio bug and had nothing to do with a draw.

DONT GET ME WRONG. I want draws in the game. I think the devs should just say **** it, mo cap a few draw animations and throw them in.

With that said, I think we overestimate the amount of close fights that wouldve resulted in a draw simply because draws arent possible in the game.

I was referring to no score splits, but it's coming to me that no score was a bug plus what you said about it.

Either way it always seemed to happen when fights were SUPER razor thin close, like draw close. I really do want draws in though.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

I was referring to no score splits, but it's coming to me that no score was a bug plus what you said about it.

Either way it always seemed to happen when fights were SUPER razor thin close, like draw close. I really do want draws in though.

Me too.

I was SHOCKED when the devs told me that the no score announcement bug had nothing to do with draws. I was so sure of it that I started to score all no score splits was an indication of a draw that I just started treating them like draws in my League.

[xFINISHxHIMx]

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I only went to a couple decisions but I was only robbed once all other decisions were 100% on point. Don't change anything lol

[RetractedMonkey]

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I only went to a couple decisions but I was only robbed once all other decisions were 100% on point. Don't change anything lol

So by your own admittance you had a little over a couple decisions, you were robbed in one of them, but everything is still Gucci?

This board, man, I swear.

[Malaach]

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EA UFC 2 Majority Decision 29-28, 28-28, 29-28

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I've had plenty of fights like this, some I've won some I lost some like this. I won this one, but still feel like it probably should of been a Draw.

Here's the fight totals.

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When I run into players who pace themselves, our fights become point scoring matches.

I really wish EA gave us draws for EA UFC 3. I can see how it wasn't a priority, but this is still no small matter. It's a realistic part of the sport regardless if people like them or not Draws happen.

It was no bother for me when it happened in UFC Undisputed, or In Fight Night. Plus it was nice to see the unique animations, announcement, and commentary when it happens.

Having a draw should make us that much more eager to win a rematch against that individual, whether it be in career mode, or during online play that's how it should be.

[TheUFCVeteran]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

EA UFC 2 Majority Decision 29-28, 28-28, 29-28

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I've had plenty of fights like this, some I've won some I lost some like this. I won this one, but still feel like it probably should of been a Draw.

Here's the fight totals.

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When I run into players who pace themselves, our fights become point scoring matches.

I really wish EA gave us draws for EA UFC 3. I can see how it wasn't a priority, but this is still no small matter. It's a realistic part of the sport regardless if people like them or not Draws happen.

It was no bother for me when it happened in UFC Undisputed, or In Fight Night. Plus it was nice to see the unique animations, announcement, and commentary when it happens.

Having a draw should make us that much more eager to win a rematch against that individual, whether it be in career mode, or during online play that's how it should be.

Speaking of commentary if I may, there is actually lines for Goldie in the game where he says something along the lines of "Double knockout, can you believe it?!"

[Playrules]

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I've had problems with the judging in both UFC 2 and UFC 3 beta, for some reason I can never win a decision even when sometimes I have been clearly winning (usually a kickboxing style of fight) it's really frustrating

[xFINISHxHIMx]

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So by your own admittance you had a little over a couple decisions, you were robbed in one of them, but everything is still Gucci?

Unlike you I have faith in the devs of the game. Every decision went as expected that is all that matters for me. If there's a problem the devs will take care about it. Be sure about that.

This board, man, I swear.

This "Board" helped a lot in the development of this game... you joined in Dezember 2017.

Nobody is forcing you to be here, Buddy. Chill.

[Malaach]

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Speaking of commentary if I may, there is actually lines for Goldie in the game where he says something along the lines of "Double knockout, can you believe it?!"

Double Ko commentary I never heard it. That's awesome though.

[Skynet]

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I may be wrong or there may be a glitch, but it seems like fights in the beta would not be judged round by round. The scoring resembled PRIDE criteria to me. Even if I clearly win rounds 1-3, if my opponent wins 4-5 by a more significant margin than I won the other three, he will win.

I just want to know if others had this same experience and if a developer or gamechanger is privy to this knowledge. The judging computations appear to "overwrite" rounds that you've won if your opponent wins based the whole fight. Is this true and if so, why? The scoring criteria is far from perfect already, but round by round judging seems like an easy fix.

True story: the fights are judged round by round. Always have been.

As to the beta judging being a bit wonky, there were two notable bugs found in the scoring logic that have since been fixed. 95% of matches would not have been hindered by them I think, but those that were would have gone sideways.

[Haz____]

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Me too.

I was SHOCKED when the devs told me that the no score announcement bug had nothing to do with draws. I was so sure of it that I started to score all no score splits was an indication of a draw that I just started treating them like draws in my League.

I almost feel like they are saying that to cover their tracks or something. I mean, How did your league, and our league come to the same conclusion separately? Pretty big coincidence.

[Playrules]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

True story: the fights are judged round by round. Always have been.

As to the beta judging being a bit wonky, there were two notable bugs found in the scoring logic that have since been fixed. 95% of matches would not have been hindered by them I think, but those that were would have gone sideways.

With round scoring, is it essentially how it works in real life (effective striking, grappling, then aggression and octagon control) or is it more to do with the total damage your fighter receives?

Only reason I ask is because i've had fights where I feel like I have dominated most rounds (the fights were stand up mostly and I had more strikes thrown and landed) but the opponent may have scored a few big hits (say 4 or 5 during the fight) where as I may not have but I've been striking more often and the opponent gets the decision.

I would assume that "rocks" and significant strikes obviously hold more scoring-wise than number of strikes to a degree, but yeah this just always confuses me a bit. I would have no idea how to judge it myself, but yeah any clarification on the scoring would help me dictate future fights. Thanks.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

With round scoring, is it essentially how it works in real life (effective striking, grappling, then aggression and octagon control) or is it more to do with the total damage your fighter receives?

Only reason I ask is because i've had fights where I feel like I have dominated most rounds (the fights were stand up mostly and I had more strikes thrown and landed) but the opponent may have scored a few big hits (say 4 or 5 during the fight) where as I may not have but I've been striking more often and the opponent gets the decision.

I would assume that "rocks" and significant strikes obviously hold more scoring-wise than number of strikes to a degree, but yeah this just always confuses me a bit. I would have no idea how to judge it myself, but yeah any clarification on the scoring would help me dictate future fights. Thanks.

The new judging is based on the new criteria which you listed above. The example you gave would give your opponent the round. If you land 20 more strikes than your opponent in a round but he lands 4 strikes that rock you, an argument can be made that his strikes had more "impact". Impact is what judges use to decide whether someone is being more effective.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/8/6...-2016-mma-news

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

The new judging is based on the new criteria which you listed above. The example you gave would give your opponent the round. If you land 20 more strikes than your opponent in a round but he lands 4 strikes that rock you, an argument can be made that his strikes had more "impact". Impact is what judges use to decide whether someone is being more effective.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/8/6...-2016-mma-news

So basically, if Bisping v Hendo 2 happened under the new rules, we'd have a 46 year old world champ? Haha.

In all seriousness. I had that happen to me a few times in the beta and it was nice to see, if dominant grappling rounds are scored correctly in retail (which, I believe you've said they will) then I'm a happy man.