Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I'm not going to stop. It's not about winning or having information. It's about giving people the freedom to comfortably utilize the entire roster.

You're only uncomfortable in utilisizing the entire roster if the leaderboards means too much to you, hence why it is indeed about winning. And even then, choosing "lower tier" fighters will make it so you'll be rewarded if you win against "higher tiers".

[Evil97]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

You're only uncomfortable in utilisizing the entire roster if the leaderboards means too much to you, hence why it is indeed about winning. And even then, choosing "lower tier" fighters will make it so you'll be rewarded if you win against "higher tiers".

I was thinking more on behalf of the communities comfort level. In regards to just me, I only play to win. I plan on just picking GSP every fight, regardless if my opponent can see me do it or not I would prefer double confirmation. That's all. Nothing is changing, and I'll live.

[LarsP]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Blind picks is the way to go, stop it you all. If you wanna win that much, just stick to those OP fighters, but I think this time around it'll be much more balance overall except for Flyweight so it really won't matter as much. Mirror match sucks, but that's the price to pay for not having counter picks over and over again.

And by counter picks, I don't necessarily mean a fighter who has a higher overall, but a fighter who's strengh is ideal against your fighter's weaknesses. Or possibly a fighter that has better grappling than your grappler, making him have a advantage from the get go for exemple.

I like thinking on my feet without having the info given to me on a silver platter, which is why it's always fun going in blind and having to base a gameplan with who you have on hand. That and hidden meters would make it so you'd have to think on your own instead of basing it all on what you would'nt see irl.

I'm still pissed about it, yeah.

Jazz, you are banned from Montreal from now on, I'll start making rounds with posters of your face as soon as the game releases. (this man is the one to blame!) With no further explanation, you'll just start getting stinky eyes from everyone in the streets, like ("what is he to blame for? :O could it be? omg, no way")

So it's either hidden meters, or say bye-bye to that delicious poutine, brother.

That's not true. They should use FIFA's system, you pick before you search an opponent, haven't had a mirror match in FIFA in years.

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I was thinking more on behalf of the communities comfort level. In regards to just me, I only play to win. I plan on just picking GSP every fight, regardless if my opponent can see me do it or not

Smh, I guess I'll have to differentiate my GSP by saying his renowned quote after every match. Seeing how I'm from like not even 10 minutes from where he lived as a youngin', I'm pretty confident about my accent and how it sounds like him. Now all I need is to win those matches.

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

That's not true. They should use FIFA's system, you pick before you search an opponent, haven't had a mirror match in FIFA in years.

OK but I'm talking about how it is presentely in the game right now with the "elo" system (what does Elo stands for you ask?)

.. No idea. but it's pretty much what I described above.

[Supreme_Bananas]

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I think the issue of counterpicks is being way overblown here. With the stats now being much more balanced you won't be forced to pick Werdum against Cain anymore to have a fighting chance. I remember from UD3 that even in ranked most of my opponents were more than willing to create equal matchups or recreate classic fights (Rampage vs. Wanderlei or Forrest vs Shogun). Except in a few cases counter picking really wasn't much of an issue.

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I think the issue of counterpicks is being way overblown here. With the stats now being much more balanced you won't be forced to pick Werdum against Cain anymore to have a fighting chance. I remember from UD3 that even in ranked most of my opponents were more than willing to create equal matchups or recreate classic fights (Rampage vs. Wanderlei or Forrest vs Shogun). Except in a few cases counter picking really wasn't much of an issue.

It's the fact of being able to counterpick, as in changing your choice, and then your opponent changing his choice and so on and so forth that's the problem too though, it makes for some nonstop changing and generally only one of those players will pretty much end up being content of it's final choice due to this.
Blind picks makes it so the only uncomfortable ones are the players that are super competitive which makes them hesitate to pick whoever they want for fear of their opponent's choice. Whereas the possibility to see your opponent's pick is just a hassle if they start trying to one up their opponent and so on.

The balance you talk about is right, there is more balance as a whole, but playing with the strenght of your fighter against your fighter's lowest strenght will always be a gameplan to favour, is it not? So by choosing the appropriate fighter to fight against another, that's known as counter picking, and someone who knows what their doing will obviously want to rectify that and so on and so forth. It's just plain annoying.

Quick match is there for those who want to see their opponent's pick, and since there's n othing to lose, players let it slide more often than they would in ranked. Competitivness in videos games makes for some ****ty annoyances most of the time.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

It's the fact of being able to counterpick, as in changing your choice, and then your opponent changing his choice and so on and so forth that's the problem too though, it makes for some nonstop changing and generally only one of those players will pretty much end up being content of it's final choice due to this.

That would only happen if people were unable to learn that it doesn't work. Whenever this would even appear to begin, a player cans imply pick his best fighter. There is no significant rock-paper-scissors at a high tier in this game. This is what people seem to forget.

Would you really claim you lost due to a stylistic match up at a top tier of this game?

[Boiler569]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

If you get a 1-for-1 leaderboard point reward (penalty) for difference between OVR of your fighter and opponent's ---- it'll help a lot.

(I know there's no longer an OVER; let's just say, average of all 4 major stats)

I would often try to play as an "OVR 88" type fighter if I received +2 or +3 reward for beating OVR 90s/91s

Heck maybe try OVR 87 even (???) lol

Just +1 point for having less OVR than opponent isn't enough; you need +1 point PER OVR you are under them (or PENALTY if you are higher than opponent!!! So people who use OVR 92 guys all day have are often being penalized)

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I too hope this effect will be big enough to make a difference among competitive players.

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

That would only happen if people were unable to learn that it doesn't work. Whenever this would even appear to begin, a player cans imply pick his best fighter. There is no significant rock-paper-scissors at a high tier in this game. This is what people seem to forget.

Would you really claim you lost due to a stylistic match up at a top tier of this game?

We're not even talking about tier at this point, just strenght versus weaknesses. Let's say I choose a fighter that his greatest weakness is his submission defence. My opponent decides to pick Damian Maia. Now damina Maia only needs to bring me one time on the ground and I'm in a **** load of trouble, as it should, right? Meaning I'll want somebody else, with a higher submission defence and grappling as a whole, but then he decides to change due to him not having the advantage he once had, making him again the one counter picking my choice and going for my weakness unless I have a balanced fighter. I'm not sure you get what I'm saying. But match ups do indeed make a difference.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

We're not even talking about tier at this point, just strenght versus weaknesses. Let's say I choose a fighter that his greatest weakness is his submission defence. My opponent decides to pick Damian Maia. Now damina Maia only needs to bring me one time on the ground and I'm in a **** load of trouble, as it should, right? Meaning I'll want somebody else, with a higher submission defence and grappling as a whole, but then he decides to change due to him not having the advantage he once had, making him again the one counter picking my choice and going for my weakness unless I have a balanced fighter. I'm not sure you get what I'm saying. But match ups do indeed make a difference.

Submission Defense is probably the most extreme case. If the other guy wants to counte rpick, just pick a high level fighter with decent or better sub D. BAM! End of counterpicking.

[Supreme_Bananas]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

It's the fact of being able to counterpick, as in changing your choice, and then your opponent changing his choice and so on and so forth that's the problem too though, it makes for some nonstop changing and generally only one of those players will pretty much end up being content of it's final choice due to this.
Blind picks makes it so the only uncomfortable ones are the players that are super competitive which makes them hesitate to pick whoever they want for fear of their opponent's choice. Whereas the possibility to see your opponent's pick is just a hassle if they start trying to one up their opponent and so on.

The balance you talk about is right, there is more balance as a whole, but playing with the strenght of your fighter against your fighter's lowest strenght will always be a gameplan to favour, is it not? So by choosing the appropriate fighter to fight against another, that's known as counter picking, and someone who knows what their doing will obviously want to rectify that and so on and so forth. It's just plain annoying.

Quick match is there for those who want to see their opponent's pick, and since there's n othing to lose, players let it slide more often than they would in ranked. Competitivness in videos games makes for some ****ty annoyances most of the time.

That would only happen if people were unable to learn that it doesn't work. Whenever this would even appear to begin, a player cans imply pick his best fighter. There is no significant rock-paper-scissors at a high tier in this game. This is what people seem to forget.

Would you really claim you lost due to a stylistic match up at a top tier of this game?

This is what I think too, what I meant in my previous post is that I don't think counterpicking will happen nearly as much as some people think it will. Since character tiers are much closer together this time around, many more characters are viable.

I know what counterpicking is, and that it doesn't only apply to the highest tiers. It wasn't just Rockhold as a counterpick to Weidman, but it was also Kaufman as a counterpick to Nunes' 63 TDD.

In short, now that pretty much every character is viable, and everyone has different tools to deal with higher tiers, If we go for double pick, I don't think counterpicking will be nearly as bad or widespread as some claim.

[RetractedMonkey]

Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

And we all agree it should result in aloss, right? Otherwise, mirrors would be the least of our concerns.

Yes. I also agree that double confirmation is the way. I was only supporting the argument that it was in fact a false dichotomy. A forced choice is no choice at all.

Also, I’m laughing at “taking the leaderboards too seriously” really being floated around as a legitimate argument.


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[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Submission Defense is probably the most extreme case. If the other guy wants to counterpick, just pick a high level fighter with decent or better sub D. BAM! End of counterpicking.

Doesnt your solution basically falls down to always choosing top players in this case to stop the counterpicks? Isn't the point of the double confirmation in the first place that you guys are trying to make is so you can utilize the entire roster without worries?