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  • RetractedMonkey
    MVP
    • Dec 2017
    • 1624

    #1

    Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

    The ground was my best aspect in UFC 1 and 2, but this time around I’m really failing to stop and transitions. It seems like the window has been closed significantly.


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  • ged4eva
    Rookie
    • Feb 2016
    • 44

    #2
    Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

    Ive been having problems with blocking when opponent postures up

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    • neyney00
      Banned
      • Apr 2016
      • 264

      #3
      Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

      Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
      The ground was my best aspect in UFC 1 and 2, but this time around I’m really failing to stop and transitions. It seems like the window has been closed significantly.


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      Did you have the same issue on the beta? Or is this new to the full version of the game? Beta felt good to me.

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      • Nugget7211
        MVP
        • Nov 2017
        • 1401

        #4
        Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

        Is it different from the beta? Because I didn't have any problems grappling in the beta, barring subs of course.
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        • mannyonelover
          Pro
          • Apr 2016
          • 645

          #5
          Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

          This sub issue has me concerned it keeps popping up on the forums!


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          • FCB x Finlay
            MVP
            • Nov 2017
            • 1293

            #6
            Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

            Stamima has been an issue for me, im on top and i have no stamina compared to the bottom fighter punching me and has full.

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            • RetractedMonkey
              MVP
              • Dec 2017
              • 1624

              #7
              Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

              Originally posted by neyney00
              Did you have the same issue on the beta? Or is this new to the full version of the game? Beta felt good to me.


              I never really went to the ground in the beta. I didn’t have a problem in UT, but that was because I had a massive stat differential being a grappler type.


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              • Nugget7211
                MVP
                • Nov 2017
                • 1401

                #8
                Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                I never really went to the ground in the beta. I didn’t have a problem in UT, but that was because I had a massive stat differential being a grappler type.


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                Are you at a stat differential when you're grappling now? Maybe they made stats matter more than they did in 2 and went too far or something.
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                • Serengeti1
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2016
                  • 1720

                  #9
                  Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                  Originally posted by mannyonelover
                  This sub issue has me concerned it keeps popping up on the forums!


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                  The sub issue will absolutely get fixed. No need to worry about it. The subs are easy to balance and they'll find the sweet spot pretty soon.

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                  • Nugget7211
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2017
                    • 1401

                    #10
                    Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                    Originally posted by Serengeti95
                    The sub issue will absolutely get fixed. No need to worry about it. The subs are easy to balance and they'll find the sweet spot pretty soon.
                    The fact that there's a slider for it in game will making testing it super easy too. I think aholbert said he started escaping them 2-3 ticks down from default, I imagine that the devs can just change whatever the "default" setting is.
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                    • RetractedMonkey
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 1624

                      #11
                      Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                      Originally posted by Nugget7211
                      Are you at a stat differential when you're grappling now? Maybe they made stats matter more than they did in 2 and went too far or something.


                      I don’t believe so. I’m using my time as Joanna to base this off of. She has great bottom D and get ups, but I can still be held down easily. Her transitions are so slow even though she has a 5 point perk for get ups in addition to her ~90 base stat. I manage my stamina well.


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                      • Nugget7211
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 1401

                        #12
                        Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                        Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                        I don’t believe so. I’m using my time as Joanna to base this off of. She has great bottom D and get ups, but I can still be held down easily. Her transitions are so slow even though she has a 5 point perk for get ups in addition to her ~90 base stat. I manage my stamina well.


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                        Maybe whoever you were grappling against has a broken top control perk? It's bizarre that Joanna can't stand up, only Gadelha has ever had any success control her and she gassed out doing it. I'm really curious what's causing this because it doesn't jive with my beta experience at all.
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                        • RetractedMonkey
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 1624

                          #13
                          Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                          Originally posted by Nugget7211
                          Maybe whoever you were grappling against has a broken top control perk? It's bizarre that Joanna can't stand up, only Gadelha has ever had any success control her and she gassed out doing it. I'm really curious what's causing this because it doesn't jive with my beta experience at all.


                          Both Andrade and Gadelha players have successfully held me down. By successful I mean they could keep me there for over 1 minute on the game clock. I can still get out but my denials are just not working either. I can still deny from guard easily though, but half guard transitions are very difficult to defend.


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                          • Nugget7211
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2017
                            • 1401

                            #14
                            Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                            Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                            Both Andrade and Gadelha players have successfully held me down. By successful I mean they could keep me there for over 1 minute on the game clock. I can still get out but my denials are just not working either. I can still deny from guard easily though, but half guard transitions are very difficult to defend.


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                            Okay, that actually jives a bit more with my experience than I thought. It is significantly harder to move on bottom out of guard, and it usually takes about 30-40 seconds to get up if you're under a grappler with good top control. Honestly, if takedowns are harder to get now, it being slightly harder to get up seems fine. Obviously, if the denials feel wrong that's an issue, but I always thought it was weird how easy it was to get up in 2 from under a khabib or whoever.

                            I don't think there's more I can say on this topic until I have the game in my hands, but I don't have an inherent issue with it being harder to get up than it was in 2, but I can't speak to if there's a broken transition, or if the window is too small or whatever.
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                            • AeroZeppelin27
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 2287

                              #15
                              Re: Anybody else experiencing difficulty with the ground game?

                              The ground is easily my best aspect too, and I found the beta (don't have early access) was fine, felt pretty much the same as UFC 2.

                              I did notice there seemed to be more GA influenced positions and that the AI was a loooot smarter on the ground, but I didn't have much issue with denials and all that.

                              I've read a lot of people saying the AI in particular is brutally effective on the ground now, aside from its possibly OP subs, I like that.

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