EA UFC Stat Change Request Discussion Thread

[Serengeti1]

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FYI, my whole purpose here is to collect information and play devils advocate. Just because I challenge a part of a post doesnt mean that I dont necessarily agree with the over all point of the post.

In fat, I believe I passed along suggestions about buffing Kelvin (not as much as you and not in every striking category) a few days ago. I just didnt think the "Kelvin finished these 3 guys = power buff" made sense because of what I stated previously.

Eh. His accuracy and head movement should definitely be buffed. Look at the gifs I posted. How many other MMA fighters move like that? Not many at all. Even the KO of Bisping. We don't see that kind of movement and awareness in many guys in MMA.

I can see the argument for not buffing the power but I still think it should at least be average. If not a little above. He has solid, solid power in his left hand. Who else has dropped Weidman with a punch? Who else has starched Kennedy like that? Who else has starched Vitor like that? Vitor may have gotten finished but it was through excessive GnP. Kelvin starched him. As he did to Bisping.

I'm not asking for him to have Tyron level power or anything. It should be average or slightly above though. 90-92. How you do the stats also depends on how much you attribute his KO's to accuracy/speed/head movement. And all of them certainly play a part. Which is why I believe you buff them all slightly. Other than speed as that's fine. Like dude has solid fundamentals which is why he's getting these slick KO's.

[Donnie_Brasco_FR]

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If your in annnny way referring to his move sets and not stats he's currently bugged and has no combos after one of the tuners, he felt pretty damn good before that, albeit he didn't have a few strikes he should have, like the double knee.

I'm sure it'll get fixed in the next tuner.

I think his stats are accurate, he's fast, powerful and not that defensively sound.

I speak about his moveset and a little bit about his stats, the guy was so enjoyable in UFC2 concerning his Thai Moveset ans Perks.

[Serengeti1]

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Michael Johnson's hands suck. I ask everyone to go and use him and then think about how fast he actually throws his hands irl.

His striking speed is 94.

Ferguson has a 93. RDA has a 93. Cerrone has a 95. Barboza has a 97. Poirier has a 93. Pettis has a 95. Conor has a 97.

None of these guys have faster hands than MJ. This is also the reason why kick speed and punch speed shouldn't be tied. MJ has the fastest hands in the division. Shame that's not represented. He should be lacking in a lot of areas but his hands should be very fast. His kicks aren't Barboza fast but they're relatively fast from what I can remember. Not sure though. I don't think he throws them much. His speed stat should be 96 or 97 imo.

[Nugget7211]

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I can see the argument for not buffing the power but I still think it should at least be average. If not a little above. He has solid, solid power in his left hand. Who else has dropped Weidman with a punch? Who else has starched Kennedy like that? Who else has starched Vitor like that? Vitor may have gotten finished but it was through excessive GnP. Kelvin starched him. As he did to Bisping.

I personally wouldn't describe either the Vitor No-contest (;P) or the Kennedy KO as starchings. He dropped Vitor twice before the stoppage and didn't put him out even when the fight was stopped, and he landed 32 strikes in the third round of the Kennedy fight while Kennedy was turning his back and running away before Kennedy turtled up and the fight was stopped. Neither dude went out, and it wasn't a single shot or anything. Starching to me is like McGregor-Aldo, Hendo-Bisping or Barboza-Dariush, where the guy is just gone from one shot. To be clear, both impressive stoppages, but starching is too strong of word IMO

[Thetruth9012]

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Michael Johnson's hands suck. I ask everyone to go and use him and then think about how fast he actually throws his hands irl.

His striking speed is 94.

Ferguson has a 93. RDA has a 93. Cerrone has a 95. Barboza has a 97. Poirier has a 93. Pettis has a 95. Conor has a 97.

None of these guys have faster hands than MJ. This is also the reason why kick speed and punch speed shouldn't be tied. MJ has the fastest hands in the division. Shame that's not represented. He should be lacking in a lot of areas but his hands should be very fast. His kicks aren't Barboza fast but they're relatively fast from what I can remember. Not sure though. I don't think he throws them much. His speed stat should be 96 or 97 imo.

Agree he is just super fast and athletic guy he deserve to be the fastest.

[Nugget7211]

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Michael Johnson's hands suck. I ask everyone to go and use him and then think about how fast he actually throws his hands irl.

His striking speed is 94.

Ferguson has a 93. RDA has a 93. Cerrone has a 95. Barboza has a 97. Poirier has a 93. Pettis has a 95. Conor has a 97.

None of these guys have faster hands than MJ. This is also the reason why kick speed and punch speed shouldn't be tied. MJ has the fastest hands in the division. Shame that's not represented. He should be lacking in a lot of areas but his hands should be very fast. His kicks aren't Barboza fast but they're relatively fast from what I can remember. Not sure though. I don't think he throws them much. His speed stat should be 96 or 97 imo.

Honestly, because it's a single stat for strike speed not hand speed and kick speed, 94 is fine IMO. His kicks aren't very fast, whereas the guys above him have pretty quick hands and quick kicks, and it's not like Ferguson, Poirier or RDA are slow strikers either.

Limitations of the combined strike speed stat is the issue here, not Johnsons rating in the single stat IMO

[LittleEvil]

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Haven't looked over stats at all to contribute here, but yikes at same speed for hands and kicks

[Donnie_Brasco_FR]

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MJ deserves too a Heavy Hands perk i think.

[Serengeti1]

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I personally wouldn't describe either the Vitor No-contest (;P) or the Kennedy KO as starchings. He dropped Vitor twice before the stoppage and didn't put him out even when the fight was stopped, and he landed 32 strikes in the third round of the Kennedy fight while Kennedy was turning his back and running away before Kennedy turtled up and the fight was stopped. Neither dude went out, and it wasn't a single shot or anything. Starching to me is like McGregor-Aldo, Hendo-Bisping or Barboza-Dariush, where the guy is just gone from one shot. To be clear, both impressive stoppages, but starching is too strong of word IMO

I'm suggesting 90-92. The number is what's important. I think that number is reasonable. I agree that the power is not the main reason he's tooling these guys though. Which is why I want all the stats to be lifted somewhat.

[Nugget7211]

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I'm suggesting 90-92. The number is what's important. I think that number is reasonable. I agree that the power is not the main reason he's tooling these guys though. Which is why I want all the stats to be lifted somewhat.

I agree that he should be bumped up 1-2 points to 90-91, I just didn't agree with your characterisation of those fights.

[Serengeti1]

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Honestly, because it's a single stat for strike speed not hand speed and kick speed, 94 is fine IMO. His kicks aren't very fast, whereas the guys above him have pretty quick hands and quick kicks, and it's not like Ferguson, Poirier or RDA are slow strikers either.

Limitations of the combined strike speed stat is the issue here, not Johnsons rating in the single stat IMO

Poirier's striking speed shouldn't be close to Johnson's. Pettis has quick hands? I love Pettis but idk about that. Cerrone? Nah. Barboza? Faster than the rest but not super fast or anything. Ferguson's hand speed ain't got **** on MJ's. Not sure about RDA either way. His hands are pretty fast.

MJ landed his left hand on Ferguson all night when they fought. You can argue Ferguson is a different fighter now but I think it'd be the same again if they fought on the feet, personally. He's too quick for him.

MJ also has an 89 power rating. Below average? Are you serious? I'm really hoping there's going to be no devils advocate played on this one because it's getting tiring lol (I get it tho... it just makes it harder to get something done when there is always resistance). I will say that the speed is at least debatable because of how EA does the stats but the power stat is def wrong here.

[Thetruth9012]

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Poirier's striking speed shouldn't be close to Johnson's. Pettis has quick hands? I love Pettis but idk about that. Cerrone? Nah. Barboza? Faster than the rest but not super fast or anything. Ferguson's hand speed ain't got **** on MJ's. Not sure about RDA either way. His hands are pretty fast.

MJ landed his left hand on Ferguson all night when they fought. You can argue Ferguson is a different fighter now but I think it'd be the same again if they fought on the feet, personally. He's too quick for him.

MJ also has an 89 power rating. Below average? Are you serious? I'm really hoping there's going to be no devils advocate played on this one because it's getting tiring lol. I will say that the speed is at least debatable because of how EA does the stats but the power stat is def wrong here.

Man i agree with all.

Just watch some fights of MC his striking is really good and he is super athletic guy.


For sure the fastest in the division.

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[Nugget7211]

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Poirier's striking speed shouldn't be close to Johnson's. Pettis has quick hands? I love Pettis but idk about that. Cerrone? Nah. Barboza? Faster than the rest but not super fast or anything. Ferguson's hand speed ain't got **** on MJ's. Not sure about RDA either way. His hands are pretty fast.

MJ landed his left hand on Ferguson all night when they fought. You can argue Ferguson is a different fighter now but I think it'd be the same again if they fought on the feet, personally. He's too quick for him.

MJ also has an 89 power rating. Below average? Are you serious? I'm really hoping there's going to be no devils advocate played on this one because it's getting tiring lol (I get it tho... it just makes it harder to get something done when there is always resistance). I will say that the speed is at least debatable because of how EA does the stats but the power stat is def wrong here.

It's not a hand speed stat, that's what I'm saying, it's a strike speed stat. Like, Michael Johnson has really quick hands, and unremarkable kicks (not slow, not fast), so if you split into 10 points for kicks and 10 points for hands, giving him a 9 or a 10 for hands and a 4 or a 5 for kicks and ending up at 94 since the floor is 80 is totally reasonable. Michael Johnson also only has 4 KOs in 18 UFC fights, I have no problem with 89 power for a dude with a 22% knockout rate in the UFC.

[aholbert32]

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Honestly, because it's a single stat for strike speed not hand speed and kick speed, 94 is fine IMO. His kicks aren't very fast, whereas the guys above him have pretty quick hands and quick kicks, and it's not like Ferguson, Poirier or RDA are slow strikers either.

Limitations of the combined strike speed stat is the issue here, not Johnsons rating in the single stat IMO

This is spot on.

[aholbert32]

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Eh. His accuracy and head movement should definitely be buffed. Look at the gifs I posted. How many other MMA fighters move like that? Not many at all. Even the KO of Bisping. We don't see that kind of movement and awareness in many guys in MMA.

I can see the argument for not buffing the power but I still think it should at least be average. If not a little above. He has solid, solid power in his left hand. Who else has dropped Weidman with a punch? Who else has starched Kennedy like that? Who else has starched Vitor like that? Vitor may have gotten finished but it was through excessive GnP. Kelvin starched him. As he did to Bisping.

I'm not asking for him to have Tyron level power or anything. It should be average or slightly above though. 90-92. How you do the stats also depends on how much you attribute his KO's to accuracy/speed/head movement. And all of them certainly play a part. Which is why I believe you buff them all slightly. Other than speed as that's fine. Like dude has solid fundamentals which is why he's getting these slick KO's.

I looked at the .gifs. I've read every post in this thread. Doesnt mean I'm going to agree with you. Doesnt mean the devs (who make the final decision) are going to agree with me.