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  • Phillyboi207
    Banned
    • Apr 2012
    • 3159

    #46
    Re: "predictive" head movement doesn't work

    Originally posted by Haz____
    Here's 2 of the clips from UFC 2.

    100% pure, practiced technique, and based on real life logic. That's not random chaos..

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1VsgQKJkf54" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LNLzf4kBth4" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Also, I loved how snappy, and responsive UFC 2 was.
    Ehhhh lol

    That back sway unrealistic saved you. Khabib should landed his 2nd jab but unrealistically came up short.

    Against Connor you were sitting there kinda leaning back and the hook should’ve caught you.

    The poor tracking was an issue because fighters woud pull punches so you could “dodge”.

    The roll looked pretty tho

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    • FCB x Finlay
      MVP
      • Nov 2017
      • 1293

      #47
      Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

      Originally posted by Haz____
      Here's 2 of the clips from UFC 2.

      100% pure, practiced technique, and based on real life logic. That's not random chaos..

      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1VsgQKJkf54" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LNLzf4kBth4" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

      Also, I loved how snappy, and responsive UFC 2 was.
      The second one isnt the best example as theres some bad tracking in there but the first one is great.

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      • Haz____
        Omaewa mou shindeiru
        • Apr 2016
        • 4023

        #48
        Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

        Nah, khabib has T rex reach and threw a short stationary jab. Was no where near my chin. Even within the UFC 2 mechanics, he could have hopped forward with a jab or straight and connected. All I did there was use some rhythmic "frames" or what I call "modes" timed with Khabibs tempo, and momentum.

        The Mayweather clip uses the "Lean rock" technique. By using the lean but subtly rocking between a slight back lean, and a side lean, it tricks the tracking and makes shots whiff. But that is exactly how the technique works IRL also. You see boxers do it all the time. You think the head is in one spot, so you throw your punch, but by the time you throw, the head has already moved in fluid motion to the next spot.
        Last edited by Haz____; 02-04-2018, 09:17 PM.
        PSN: Lord__Hazanko

        Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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        • FCB x Finlay
          MVP
          • Nov 2017
          • 1293

          #49
          Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

          Originally posted by Haz____
          Nah, khabib has T rex reach and through a short stationary jab. Was no where near my chin. Even within the UFC 2 mechanics he could have hopped forward with a jab or straight and connected.

          the Mayweather clip uses the "Lean rock" technique. By using the lean but subtly rocking between a slight back lean, and a side lean, it tricks the tracking and makes shots whiff. but that is exactly how the technique works IRL also. You see boxers do it all the time.
          The tracking was off in the second clip as the all the punches were above your head height the whole time. It never lowered to your changed height.

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          • Phillyboi207
            Banned
            • Apr 2012
            • 3159

            #50
            Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

            Originally posted by Haz____
            Nah, khabib has T rex reach and threw a short stationary jab. Was no where near my chin. Even within the UFC 2 mechanics, he could have hopped forward with a jab or straight and connected.

            The Mayweather clip uses the "Lean rock" technique. By using the lean but subtly rocking between a slight back lean, and a side lean, it tricks the tracking and makes shots whiff. But that is exactly how the technique works IRL also. You see boxers do it all the time. You think the head is in one spot, so you throw your punch, but by the time you throw, the head has already moved in fluid motion to the next spot.
            But Connor has great reach and was right on you.
            A subtle lean rock wouldnt save you in that situation.
            And Khabib does have short arms but once again he was right in your face. The game had a poor tracking system.

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            • FCB x Finlay
              MVP
              • Nov 2017
              • 1293

              #51
              Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

              Originally posted by Phillyboi207
              But Connor has great reach and was right on you.
              A subtle lean rock wouldnt save you in that situation.
              And Khabib does have short arms but once again he was right in your face. The game had a poor tracking system.
              His slips in the first one was good though, secomd was dodgy.

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              • Haz____
                Omaewa mou shindeiru
                • Apr 2016
                • 4023

                #52
                Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                Argue all you want, but that's pure practiced technique.

                You're also making your own argument kinda look worse here. lol.

                These are real life techniques.
                PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                • Haz____
                  Omaewa mou shindeiru
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4023

                  #53
                  Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                  Just a clip I had made, showing the smoothness, and responsiveness of UFC 2 head movement.

                  <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CdRg-HxzFuk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                  Mechanically it wasn't perfect, but it felt soooo good. And allowed much more freedom of real technique.
                  PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                  Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                  • Haz____
                    Omaewa mou shindeiru
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 4023

                    #54
                    Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                    Last 1. This 1 is for Find The Door.

                    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CS8R9AG7Wnc" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                    PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                    Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                    • FCB x Finlay
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 1293

                      #55
                      Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                      Originally posted by Haz____
                      Argue all you want, but that's pure practiced technique.

                      You're also making your own argument kinda look worse here. lol.

                      These are real life techniques.
                      I am literally agreeing with you bar some minor tracking issues.

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                      • FCB x Finlay
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 1293

                        #56
                        Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                        Originally posted by Haz____
                        Last 1. This 1 is for Find The Door.

                        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CS8R9AG7Wnc" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                        Thats nice tho

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                        • Find_the_Door
                          Nogueira connoisseur
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 4051

                          #57
                          Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                          Originally posted by Haz____
                          Last 1. This 1 is for Find The Door.

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CS8R9AG7Wnc" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                          Beautiful - love it
                          Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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                          • Phillyboi207
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 3159

                            #58
                            Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                            Originally posted by Haz____
                            Argue all you want, but that's pure practiced technique.

                            You're also making your own argument kinda look worse here. lol.

                            These are real life techniques.
                            My argument isnt in favor of EA UFC 2’s system tho. The tracking is bogus in that game. If you cant ackowledge that I dunno what else to tell you.

                            Now Fight Night is a completely different beast and is the pinnacle of head movement.

                            I’m not saying what you did was a fluke or anything it clearly takes skill. Same can be said for the current head movement. But both systems are flawed in their own ways.

                            I’m still an advocate for the 8 way slips. And i would prefer not to have a rock paper scissors hit detection but it is what it is.

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                            • Haz____
                              Omaewa mou shindeiru
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 4023

                              #59
                              Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                              I'm never, at any point talking in favor of UFC 2's system, OVER UFC 3s.

                              The point is the fluidity of motion allows for options for freedom of REAL TO LIFE technique.

                              Mechanically, it isn't perfect. The point i'm making, is if mechanically refined, it proves to add a deeper layer of refinement to the headmovment.

                              Ideally you would want a combination of something like FNC, mixed directly into the flick system of UFC 3.
                              Last edited by Haz____; 02-04-2018, 09:52 PM.
                              PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                              Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                              • Solid_Altair
                                EA Game Changer
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 2043

                                #60
                                Re: &quot;predictive&quot; head movement doesn't work

                                See?.........

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