The ground game is broken, please fix it

[Freshly Baked Gregg]

I am an experienced UFC 2 player, I know all the denials and I know how to fake, so I really can’t be that bad.

The ground game is broken. Just played 5 fights. 3 of them I lost, all to mount ground and pound. The other 2 players attempted to use the same exploit.

Also body shot stamina damage needs to be reduced, it’s a bit ridiculous but not as ridiculous as how OP mount and crucifix is.

[tissues250]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

No man. Its not broken. Do you think its broken cuz you lost? You have to learn arm trap and grappling advantage is you get it when you block on the ground. Top mount and crufix are very dangerious position in real life as well. But i know the body spam is silly now but i dont think it related to the body damage. We need tuning stamina system, imo.

[mannyonelover]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

I don’t think it’s broken per se ,but somethings a little bit off from last year‘s game like the controls seem to have a delay Response in striking and I feel it as well as in grappling Especially with reversals I to used nail them all the time now I just can’t find that sweet spot.


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[xFINISHxHIMx]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

Ground isn't broken if you have a 94 grappler, but judging by 3 fights seems to be a bit early to judge huh?

Can't believe there is not a patch already for the body spam my opponents losing no stamina while mine is draining down like nothing good.

[HereticGabriel]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

I noticed that when in sub, half guard postured and being hit the controls become unresponsive, Ive taken 5-6 shots trying to get a transition to happen. I think they made arm traps harder, then they buffed the postured mount damage but didnt change arm traps

[chia]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

I don’t think it’s broken per se ,but somethings a little bit off from last year‘s game like the controls seem to have a delay Response in striking and I feel it as well as in grappling Especially with reversals I to used nail them all the time now I just can’t find that sweet spot.


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That crazy thing is that not everyone gets that input lag but I do as well. It's pretty rough and not sure if it will be patched or can be patched.

[mannyonelover]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

That crazy thing is that not everyone gets that input lag but I do as well. It's pretty rough and not sure if it will be patched or can be patched.

I’m pretty sure it can be patched because the crazy thing it doesn’t only happen online it also happens off-line so there’s definitely an issue


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[chia]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

I’m pretty sure it can be patched because the crazy thing it doesn’t only happen online it also happens off-line so there’s definitely an issue


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Correct mine was both offline and online as well.

[LittleEvil]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

Grappling is not broken See the "Mount is OP" thread for an explanation on how to avoid dying when mounted

[straycat113]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

Well something sure as hell isn't right and the OP isn't crazy! Not stating I was the greatest on the ground but can sure as hell hold my own. After the Beta which I had for an extra 2 weeks I said I wouldn't go back to UFC-2 but couldn't deal with not playing I was my usual self and tearing it up on the ground. Got 3 the first day it was available and just focused using a fighter who was in line with my favorite Ultimate Team fighter from 2 and that fighter was Gathje. Despite hating the new clinch entries (especially for double unders as it flowed so nicely just going forward in to your opponent with DU's and slamming him the holding L1+L2 and down just doesn't work anywhere as smoothly. But the biggest head scratcher is denying transitions and reversing. With transitions I have zero issues on my back or in full and halfguard it is the crucifix and side saddle I have serious issues with. For the life of me I have only been able to keep an opponent in the crucifix 1 time for a very short time and the transition from your back when you have your opponent in side saddle top and his hand goes across your chest to deny I have also only been able to pulloff once in a few hundred matches on PRO and in the practice room on skilled ground game. I have not attempted to jump on line yet as I want to get all the new ground moves I can find down but it is seriously frustrating. Just to make sure everything was right I switched a half hour to UFC-2 and could hold an opponent in the crucifix for a day and had zero issues with denying any transition. Also Gaethje is listed as having an Americana which makes sense since he has the crucifix and level-4 wrestling but it isn't there? Also to do many reverses you have to flick the stick 2-3 times really fast in a row or nothing happens. Glad to see I am not the only one having issues!

[straycat113]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

What am I missing here? I made a thread earlier basically stating what I just stated here and it got locked? I have never had a thread locked before and what was said that would cause it? What are guys getting thin skinned =seriously!

[Freshly Baked Gregg]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

Ground isn't broken if you have a 94 grappler, but judging by 3 fights seems to be a bit early to judge huh?

Can't believe there is not a patch already for the body spam my opponents losing no stamina while mine is draining down like nothing good.

No I was just talking about one particular day. I have been finished by GNP many times. The other day a person rocked me, took me down and landed merely 2 elbows from side control and I was out cold.

[Nekrotik]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

If you're anything other than a grappler in UT, you cannot defend grappling at all. You can deny takedowns or transitions all you want, it just doesn't work. The denial windows are a tad too short.

Once mounted (which is common as denials almost never work), it is damn near impossible to get out. I have been in mount bottom with full stamina and no head damage, gotten hit ONCE and could no longer block or try to transition. I wasn't KO'd, it took 10+ strikes to end the fight after that point.

The problem isn't that grapplers have too much of an advantage on the ground. It's that even with low striking stats, you can still beat a striker standing up as a grappler if you have some skill.

However, if you are a striker, it is far less likely to beat a grappler, no matter how good you are. The game mechanics don't allow you to use skill to escape or even really survive. On top of that, even if you do, you lose the fight by decision.

There are too few options to escape most ground positions and denial windows are too small for the ground bottom positions. A grappler should have an advantage over a striker but it should not be a foregone conclusion once the fight hits the ground.
Not everyone is Khabib.

[Kena]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

If it aint UT don't fix it

[fitch is my homeboy]

Re: The ground game is broken, please fix it

They either shortened denial times or made stats count for significantly more. If you're at any stat disadvantage forget it. All of the Silva champions got screwed because GSP's can run them over.