I hope a lesson can be learned here

[aholbert32]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Wwe has community leaders/ managers on their official forums.

Can we stop arguing about stuff that has nothing to do with the OP?

I notice a few people do this alot around here. Changing the subject and derailing the actaul discussion.

Big difference between a community manager and a developer. Huge difference.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Serengeti1]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

because someone has to answer for the many mistakes and wild decisions that have been made on this game, like adding roster fighters in UT mode, or adding many STATS into 1 category

The interesting thing about this one is I think I heard someone say that the guy that made that decision is really into MMA. And I just wonder what that means. Does that mean getting into it after Conor/Diaz and watching the occasional PPV? Because it has to. Or maybe they started watching the sport after they were added to the dev team. There's no way anybody who really follows and enjoys MMA could have made that decision. If so, even more reason to get rid of them for poor decision making. Give him a job on another game lol. Nothing personal to the people who know the guy... but why....

I dont get how it’s *** kissing just cuz some of us actually love this dev team.

I truly dont believe they’re the problem. A lot of the problem is poor feedback from people who wants meters everywhere and call honest criticism “illusions”.

Then they also have to waste limited resources on UT.

For all the flak they’re getting they clearly go out of their way to listen to a lot of our suggestions. It’s just that a lot of players are okay with current movement and head movement(sadly). They try to cater to the thing both sides agree are issues (Grappling fluidity, body punchs etc).

I'd say there is the same amount of *** kissing as there is whining to whine... Which is not that much. And *** kissing isn't necessarily always the best way to put it... but there are users who are scared to voice their honest opinion because of backlash. I've spoken to a couple of people outside of the forums who don't want to say things too negative on here because of that reason. Which is fine... And everyone's different... I'm just saying there are two sides to the coin.

[HypeRNT]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

That's my biggest problem here too (I know I said I wouldn't come back to this thread but I couldn't help myself).

My argument has always been that you want to appease the hard core fans because they will spread positive word of mouth on the game to people who respect their expert opinion on the genre.

So I fight hard to make the changes the hard core community wants (remember the calls to remove parries) and when we finally deliver a quality game (better than any previous in my opinion) that hits many of the the things the hard core community wanted (a community which is small compared to the rest of the broader consumer base), the community bad mouths the game at every opportunity.

So why try and target the hard core again? if they don't actually advocate for the game, but instead turn people away from it.

You seem to have this false sense of glow about you that because you post in this forum or answer some of the question that people made threads about, that its somehow gives you the right to expect those people to support the game 100% and not question you on anything and thank you at every opportunity, thats just how you are coming of right now.

You got rid of parries? You want a pat on the back for that? That was one of the most hated features in the game for ever... You fixed your own mistake, congrats.

I just think your expectations are in question for the simple fact that you "were involved" in the community, as if that shouldn't be something expected anyways.

Yes, there are positives in the game, the striking is great and fluid, but this has been said many times now.

Overall, i dont consider myself being hardcore, i consider myself as being the casual players that play this game to have fun and be unique because thats what mma is, a unique sport were many fighters have many different traits and talents.

I dont know what you are in charge of, and i dont blame you for many of the issues because im sure they can be fixed and patched, and the game is worth a buy for people who enjoy playing with their friends.

Overall, i hope more attention is focused on the core aspect of what an MMA game should be, and i hope to see it improve on the unique aspects of MMA with many different disciplines and array of moves and less graphical fluff, take a look at the ufc undisputed games and see the features they have and you guys are missing, some of those things have been asked for a long time now and probably given up on by now.

[kehlis]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

You got rid of parries? You want a pat on the back for that? That was one of the most hated features in the game for ever... You fixed your own mistake, congrats.

I just think your expectations are in question for the simple fact that you "were involved" in the community, as if that shouldn't be something expected anyways.

If been a part of this forum for a long time and have seen many devs come and go. GPD is one of the most active I have ever seen.

All devs that have visited come here with a thick skin already because they know they have to have one.


I did see one dev get driven away from this forum due to excessive trolling like the post above (especially the bolded part).

They are NOT obligated to interact. It is NOT part of their job. I'm sure it helps them to do so but in no way shape or form is there an expectation to do so.

The dev was Ian Cummings from Madden. This site was so ridiculous to him it was an embarrassment to be a part of at time.

Before anyone thinks to question the devs time here and claim they understand what it's like to be a dev, read this story that was recently written in Rolling Stone Magazine to see how much time and effort these devs put into their ACTUAL job (making the game). Any time they get to spend on the forum is on their own time and we are lucky to get every second of it:

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/926113-rolling-stone-inside-making-madden-06-a.html

[kehlis]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Actually I want to clarify something to drive home the point I'm trying to make.

Ian never actually 100% got driven away. He posted up until he left EA.

His interactions just became VERY few and far between.

We lost the insight and the in's and out's of what was going on. Basically this forum drove him to a state where he longer cared enough about us to share with us things he had been very open and honest about. He was a really awesome guy and got treated awful.

I see a TON of similarities to what was going on in the Madden forums then to what is going on in this forum now.

All I'm really trying to say is be very careful what you wish for. I've never seen it work out well.

[MadChendez]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Actually I want to clarify something to drive home the point I'm trying to make.

Ian never actually 100% got driven away. He posted up until he left EA.

His interactions just became VERY few and far between.

We lost the insight and the in's and out's of what was going on. Basically this forum drove him to a state where he longer cared enough about us to share with us things he had been very open and honest about. He was a really awesome guy and got treated awful.

I see a TON of similarities to what was going on in the Madden forums then to what is going on in this forum now.

All I'm really trying to say is be very careful what you wish for. I've never seen it work out well.

I understand this and appreciate the time and effort GPD puts into the fanbase and in no way feel entitled to this. In fact I think he is in some ways the martyr on this because he gets the stick for the issues because he is the one that takes the time and effort to engage.

But at some point you have to admit that there has to be a reason for all the negativity.

There are always going to be your standard moaners that will never be pleased but these guys are always the minority. Currently I am seeing a lot of the quality posters unhappy with elements of the game and rightfully so.

I don't always agree with how the feedback is given being that it is generally not constructive but it doesn't make the points any less valid.

Personally I like to stick to the format of complaint - evidence - effect - resolution and I think this place would benefit from following suit

However as i said earlier. I think a lot of the frustration comes by being sold "wolf tickets" and then told it will be fixed in the next 6 months worth of patches. It shouldn't take 100s of complaint threads and 6 months worth of patches to have a functioning game. It's just backwards.

Finally, it isn't just here that people are complaining about the game. Jump over to the MMA underground forums where all the hard-core MMA fanbase go. The people there are saying the same things said on this forum and there is no dev interaction there.

There are real issues to be addressed here and this is reflecting on the mood in the forum. I agree 100% that bashing the devs into oblivion isn't the way to go. But neither is sitting in silence.

[kehlis]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

There are real issues to be addressed here and this is reflecting on the mood in the forum. I agree 100% that bashing the devs into oblivion isn't the way to go. But neither is sitting in silence.

I didn't say or imply anything to the contrary to any of that.

I don't for a second believe anyone SHOULD be silent.

I don't play this game or have any interest in it but I am VERY vocal about the issues with the games I do have issues with.


I do it the right way though. And to your point above, not everyone in this forum does.

There are a LOT that do, I don't want to understate that. But unfortunately, just a few toxic posts or posters can be a hard thing for the good posters to overcome.

I've seen a ton of negative posts that were done very appropriately.

[unclebobbydana]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Honestly a lot of devs communicate with the community now. Its not really that crazy. It seems like pretty much common practice for online games these days. Whether via Reddit, or official forums.

Almost every game I purchase had devs in the forum dealing with criticism and answering questions. And it's not just game it's the same thing at my business with our software. Quite frankly it's a bit outrageous for EA to expect special treatment from their consumers especially with the scandalous ultimate-team and lack of changes in the core game. EA is in complete denial here.

[aholbert32]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

The interesting thing about this one is I think I heard someone say that the guy that made that decision is really into MMA. And I just wonder what that means. Does that mean getting into it after Conor/Diaz and watching the occasional PPV? Because it has to. Or maybe they started watching the sport after they were added to the dev team. There's no way anybody who really follows and enjoys MMA could have made that decision. If so, even more reason to get rid of them for poor decision making. Give him a job on another game lol. Nothing personal to the people who know the guy... but why....




I'd say there is the same amount of *** kissing as there is whining to whine... Which is not that much. And *** kissing isn't necessarily always the best way to put it... but there are users who are scared to voice their honest opinion because of backlash. I've spoken to a couple of people outside of the forums who don't want to say things too negative on here because of that reason. Which is fine... And everyone's different... I'm just saying there are two sides to the coin.

Thats actually false. It was a lie passed around here. The guy who made that decision is actually a pretty big fan from what I know and he actually does BJJ with the rest of the team.

I dont think people whining to whine is the only problem. Its whining when you already know the answer. I'm not going to call anyone out but there are a few guys here who have an issue with the game. They know the devs are working on that issue but regularly they will complain about that issue even threads that have nothing to do with it.

Thats just as irritating to me as the people who have an agenda and are here to bash the game no where else.

[MadChendez]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

I didn't say or imply anything to the contrary to any of that.

I don't for a second believe anyone SHOULD be silent.

I don't play this game or have any interest in it but I am VERY vocal about the issues with the games I do have issues with.


I do it the right way though. And to your point above, not everyone in this forum does.

There are a LOT that do, I don't want to understate that. But unfortunately, just a few toxic posts or posters can be a hard thing for the good posters to overcome.

I've seen a ton of negative posts that were done very appropriately.

I appreciate your clarification.

In which case is there nothing that can be done to assist that?Like if the devs state that they will only acknowledge issues presented in the format stated above?

Or as they do for fighter bashing on the UG. Ban people for Dev bashing so that there is a clear tone and/or structure to follow.

I think we are dealing with a multi pronged issue here being the overwhelming frustration people are experiencing coupled with a lack of guidelines on posting content /rules which has led people to provide a poor standard of feedback.

[Haz____]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Or as they do for fighter bashing on the UG. Ban people for Dev bashing so that there is a clear tone and/or structure to follow.

My man. I've seen ~5+ year UFC community vets banned from here.

This place def doesn't hesitate to ban people. lol

[SwedishTouch76]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Right, the thread was about how I should be punished.

Let's stay on track people.

Thumb wrestle me

[Serengeti1]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

Thats actually false. It was a lie passed around here. The guy who made that decision is actually a pretty big fan from what I know and he actually does BJJ with the rest of the team.

I dont think people whining to whine is the only problem. Its whining when you already know the answer. I'm not going to call anyone out but there are a few guys here who have an issue with the game. They know the devs are working on that issue but regularly they will complain about that issue even threads that have nothing to do with it.

Thats just as irritating to me as the people who have an agenda and are here to bash the game no where else.

How is it false? Did you read my post incorrectly or am I stupid and missing the point?

And yeah, I understand that. I would constitute that as whining to whine tbh.

[MadChendez]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

My man. I've seen ~5+ year UFC community vets banned from here.

This place def doesn't hesitate to ban people. lol

Idk man I'm just spit balling ideas.

It's clear from this thread that people here aren't happy and the people hearing the complaints aren't happy about how they are being raised. Seems like the solution is to find a way to appease both parties.

I do think that following a complaint structure of:

State your issue
Back it up with evidence
State the effect this has on the gameplay/you/others
State how this could be resolved (optional)

I know you have used a similar structure before as have I and we have, generally anyway, had a good response from GCs and Devs to that.

With that said. That doesn't change my opinion that it shouldn't take 6 months of patches and countless threads to play a smooth game. Nor should we be expected to wait until UFC 4.

[aholbert32]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

You seem to have this false sense of glow about you that because you post in this forum or answer some of the question that people made threads about, that its somehow gives you the right to expect those people to support the game 100% and not question you on anything and thank you at every opportunity, thats just how you are coming of right now.

You got rid of parries? You want a pat on the back for that? That was one of the most hated features in the game for ever... You fixed your own mistake, congrats.

I just think your expectations are in question for the simple fact that you "were involved" in the community, as if that shouldn't be something expected anyways.

Yes, there are positives in the game, the striking is great and fluid, but this has been said many times now.

Overall, i dont consider myself being hardcore, i consider myself as being the casual players that play this game to have fun and be unique because thats what mma is, a unique sport were many fighters have many different traits and talents.

I dont know what you are in charge of, and i dont blame you for many of the issues because im sure they can be fixed and patched, and the game is worth a buy for people who enjoy playing with their friends.


Overall, i hope more attention is focused on the core aspect of what an MMA game should be, and i hope to see it improve on the unique aspects of MMA with many different disciplines and array of moves and less graphical fluff, take a look at the ufc undisputed games and see the features they have and you guys are missing, some of those things have been asked for a long time now and probably given up on by now.

Whats funny is I can find multiple threads claiming that parries shouldnt have been removed so that feature wasnt that hated.

I sometimes wish that the someone would post all of the things that were changed or fixed for UFC 3 in response to threads or complaints that people made here and on the old forums about UFC2. I'm not saying that the devs deserve nonstop praise but they are absolutely catering to this community when other sports games dont.