Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

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  • Serengeti1
    MVP
    • Mar 2016
    • 1720

    #1

    Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

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    Look how much damage he did to my leg from that position.
  • Nugget7211
    MVP
    • Nov 2017
    • 1401

    #2
    Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

    What the hell kinda people are you playing that are doing that? Lmao

    But anyway, I don't think it's particularly bad. Diaz has super low leg health and you have every opportunity in the world to not let that happen by jumping into his guard or backing up and forcing a stand up. I'm just assuming you were Diaz btw
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    • dfab14
      Rookie
      • Jun 2016
      • 229

      #3
      Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

      I can't get the video to play what position is it you speak of cause it seems like over under and single collar are neutral even when you have your opponent against the cage

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      • Serengeti1
        MVP
        • Mar 2016
        • 1720

        #4
        Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

        Originally posted by Nugget7211
        What the hell kinda people are you playing that are doing that? Lmao

        But anyway, I don't think it's particularly bad. Diaz has super low leg health and you have every opportunity in the world to not let that happen by jumping into his guard or backing up and forcing a stand up. I'm just assuming you were Diaz btw
        How is it not bad? He caused a leg health event when I had full leg health lol. He's doing the same damage as my kicks are doing. The kicks are also as easy to land for both of us. Whether he or I can change the position doesn't matter.

        He was a bum on quick fight but that just goes further to support my point.

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        • TheJamesKraus
          Pro
          • Oct 2017
          • 573

          #5
          Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

          He’s hyper extending your knee so it would do damage.

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          • Nugget7211
            MVP
            • Nov 2017
            • 1401

            #6
            Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

            Originally posted by Serengeti95
            How is it not bad? He caused a leg health event when I had full leg health lol. He's doing the same damage as my kicks are doing. The kicks are also as easy to land for both of us. Whether he or I can change the position doesn't matter.

            He was a bum on quick fight but that just goes further to support my point.
            It's not bad because it's one of the worst leg healths in division against one of the most powerful strikers in the division in a situation that is entirely avoidable. I just don't think this is something that matters in the slightest, because it's such an extreme edge case scenario that will almost never affect a fight in any meaningful way.
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            • Serengeti1
              MVP
              • Mar 2016
              • 1720

              #7
              Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

              Originally posted by TheJamesKraus
              He’s hyper extending your knee so it would do damage.
              I'm not saying you can't do damage from that position but currently the position is neutral and it's not a neutral position. A minor adjustment to the damage being done or it being harder for my opponent to land kicks while I'm kicking him would be nice.

              Originally posted by Nugget7211
              It's not bad because it's one of the worst leg healths in division against one of the most powerful strikers in the division in a situation that is entirely avoidable. I just don't think this is something that matters in the slightest, because it's such an extreme edge case scenario that will almost never affect a fight in any meaningful way.
              Balancing the position matters if it can be done easily. The little things should matter when the biggest game company in the world is creating a game. Why you gotta argue everything? lol

              A lot of things are avoidable. I'm so sick and tired of people saying that. It's a complete straw man. "hey these striking exploits are avoidable by taking your opponent down!!".

              The fighters being used doesn't make much of a difference, if at all (in terms of it being a neutral position), that I'm aware of.

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              • Serengeti1
                MVP
                • Mar 2016
                • 1720

                #8
                Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

                Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying it matters a ton. But if you can change it... Why not change it? Just tested it and it's neutral for all fighters btw.

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                • Nugget7211
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2017
                  • 1401

                  #9
                  Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

                  Originally posted by Serengeti95

                  Balancing the position matters if it can be done easily. The little things should matter when the biggest game company in the world is creating a game. Why you gotta argue everything? lol

                  A lot of things are avoidable. I'm so sick and tired of people saying that. It's a complete straw man. "hey these striking exploits are avoidable by taking your opponent down!!".

                  The fighters being used doesn't make much of a difference, if at all (in terms of it being a neutral position), that I'm aware of.
                  I only argue when I disagree, say things I agree with and we'll argue less lol

                  I don't think this is an "exploit" at all. Running at someone, throwing a low kick and getting your knee hyper-extended is going to hurt a lot, and honestly, getting low kicked in the shin when you have no weight on the leg wouldn't hurt all that much (compared to knee hyper-extension). I also don't think you can call this a neutral position, because one fighter has all the control over how and when the exchanges happen and if the fight stays there for any extended period of time. If you mean neutral in terms of damage, sure, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

                  I only mentioned the fighters because Diaz is probably the most vulnerable to this, and McGregor or Barboza is probably the best person at doing it (at LW). Like, someone with higher leg health probably wouldn't have been in a health event, and someone with lower power might not have put Diaz in a health event.
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                  • Serengeti1
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 1720

                    #10
                    Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

                    Originally posted by Nugget7211
                    I only argue when I disagree, say things I agree with and we'll argue less lol

                    I don't think this is an "exploit" at all. Running at someone, throwing a low kick and getting your knee hyper-extended is going to hurt a lot, and honestly, getting low kicked in the shin when you have no weight on the leg wouldn't hurt all that much (compared to knee hyper-extension). I also don't think you can call this a neutral position, because one fighter has all the control over how and when the exchanges happen and if the fight stays there for any extended period of time. If you mean neutral in terms of damage, sure, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

                    I only mentioned the fighters because Diaz is probably the most vulnerable to this, and McGregor or Barboza is probably the best person at doing it (at LW). Like, someone with higher leg health probably wouldn't have been in a health event, and someone with lower power might not have put Diaz in a health event.
                    You can put any fighter into a health event with a few kicks from this position. Which fighter being used is not relevant. I wasn't a powerful kicker in the video.

                    I didn't say that this specifically was an exploit. It's not.

                    The kicks register as the same as a standing leg kick. Same for the fighter delivering the kicks to the grounded opponent.

                    You're not just kicking shin in that position. It's neutral in terms of damage and the guy on his back can kick me very easily while I'm kicking him and do the same amount of damage. That's not realistic. You can say it isn't a problem but it's not realistic.

                    Seems you just like responding when you disagree with something I say but alright.
                    Last edited by Serengeti1; 02-13-2018, 12:38 PM.

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                    • tissues250
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 1526

                      #11
                      Re: Why Is This Position Neutral Striking Wise?

                      Looks weird. It should be reduced damage.

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