UFC 3 Gamechangers?

[SwedishTouch76]

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I live 20 minutes from the EA studio in Burnaby and quite frankly should be lead GC

[Dave_S]

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I live 20 minutes from the EA studio in Burnaby and quite frankly should be lead GC

Can you make Swedish pancakes?

[SwedishTouch76]

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Can you make Swedish pancakes?

Swedish meatballs

[HypeRNT]

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Thats likely because you have no idea about the convos that the GCs have with the devs daily. You also dont really understand how the program works. I'm not saying this to be aggressive or a dick though.

The "seeing enough of the game to catch these" is the only issue. After August, we saw the game as much as the general public did. We didnt get a pre-launch event. The devs arent posting videos of the game in out chat. They arent giving us access to builds.

We played the beta the same time everyone else did. We got the final game the day EA Access released. So we've had the same amount of time as everyone else with the game. There was no way for the GCs to pick up on any of the issues before release. **** it still took the entire community, days and weeks to pick up on most of these issues.

Scrapping it would be a ****ing disaster. I would love to break down the amount of work that guys like Solid did to help get the game where it is right now but I cant go into great detail because of the NDA. He did all of that work for free and simply because he loves the game. The program costs EA a nominal amount compared to the amount the game brings in so that would be dumb as hell to scrap it.

Who knows? Maybe they will expand it or maybe people will drop off. I was old as hell when i started and that was 3-4 yrs ago. Other members have families and other responsibilities. So who knows if there will be new GCs for UFC 4.

I mean if you are telling me that you as a GC arent testing up to date builds throughout the dev phase then what good is this program if it cant evolve as the game evolves....

What, you told the devs that a punch looks awkward a year ago in a pre alpha build? I mean im sure it looked bad back then but what is the point... Or told them to zig instead of zag, all of that doesnt seem to help us much when its release time and there are some insane things out there that simply get abused for 2 months before they get patched(not flaming devs here, just saying from players point of view).

At the end of the day, as a player, im expecting GC or the devs to build the game for what the community wants/is asking for, not for what a GCer wants it to be or a dev wants it to be, which clearly how we got this beyond broken UT mode or how the stat system is worse then its ever been.

If GCer's cant test the game properly throughout the development of the game, then at the end of the day, what difference does it make if you told them something 2 years ago and haven't seen the game since...

Im not flaming the GCer's nor the devs, im simply thinking out loud here and asking myself what is the point of a program that seems to be so handicapped and limited besides a publicity stunt that at the end of the day can be used as a blame cushion for why certain things are the way they are.

[Rolltide1980]

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I mean if you are telling me that you as a GC arent testing up to date builds throughout the dev phase then what good is this program if it cant evolve as the game evolves....

What, you told the devs that a punch looks awkward a year ago in a pre alpha build? I mean im sure it looked bad back then but what is the point... Or told them to zig instead of zag, all of that doesnt seem to help us much when its release time and there are some insane things out there that simply get abused for 2 months before they get patched(not flaming devs here, just saying from players point of view).

At the end of the day, as a player, im expecting GC or the devs to build the game for what the community wants/is asking for, not for what a GCer wants it to be or a dev wants it to be, which clearly how we got this beyond broken UT mode or how the stat system is worse then its ever been.

If GCer's cant test the game properly throughout the development of the game, then at the end of the day, what difference does it make if you told them something 2 years ago and haven't seen the game since...

Im not flaming the GCer's nor the devs, im simply thinking out loud here and asking myself what is the point of a program that seems to be so handicapped and limited besides a publicity stunt that at the end of the day can be used as a blame cushion for why certain things are the way they are.

Honestly I think this game is not near as bad as some make it out to be. Yes, I am enjoying this game, no it's definitely nowhere near close to perfect. I just can't justify agreeing with those that say it's broken. The game devs are implementing hot fixes pretty much weekly trying to make the community happy and it seems everytime they do this,there's even more complaining when in reality they're trying to make the masses happy. They're literally trying to do what they can to appease to everybody and they still catch flack. Glad I'm not a developer,I'd tell the majority of you guys to eat a d$#k

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[Solid_Altair]

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I mean if you are telling me that you as a GC arent testing up to date builds throughout the dev phase then what good is this program if it cant evolve as the game evolves....

What, you told the devs that a punch looks awkward a year ago in a pre alpha build? I mean im sure it looked bad back then but what is the point... Or told them to zig instead of zag, all of that doesnt seem to help us much when its release time and there are some insane things out there that simply get abused for 2 months before they get patched(not flaming devs here, just saying from players point of view).

At the end of the day, as a player, im expecting GC or the devs to build the game for what the community wants/is asking for, not for what a GCer wants it to be or a dev wants it to be, which clearly how we got this beyond broken UT mode or how the stat system is worse then its ever been.

If GCer's cant test the game properly throughout the development of the game, then at the end of the day, what difference does it make if you told them something 2 years ago and haven't seen the game since...

Im not flaming the GCer's nor the devs, im simply thinking out loud here and asking myself what is the point of a program that seems to be so handicapped and limited besides a publicity stunt that at the end of the day can be used as a blame cushion for why certain things are the way they are.

Of course it's limitted. The question isn't about perfection vs non-perfection. It's all about whether or not the program pays for itself, with its benefits.

[aholbert32]

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I mean if you are telling me that you as a GC arent testing up to date builds throughout the dev phase then what good is this program if it cant evolve as the game evolves....

What, you told the devs that a punch looks awkward a year ago in a pre alpha build? I mean im sure it looked bad back then but what is the point... Or told them to zig instead of zag, all of that doesnt seem to help us much when its release time and there are some insane things out there that simply get abused for 2 months before they get patched(not flaming devs here, just saying from players point of view).

At the end of the day, as a player, im expecting GC or the devs to build the game for what the community wants/is asking for, not for what a GCer wants it to be or a dev wants it to be, which clearly how we got this beyond broken UT mode or how the stat system is worse then its ever been.

If GCer's cant test the game properly throughout the development of the game, then at the end of the day, what difference does it make if you told them something 2 years ago and haven't seen the game since...

Im not flaming the GCer's nor the devs, im simply thinking out loud here and asking myself what is the point of a program that seems to be so handicapped and limited besides a publicity stunt that at the end of the day can be used as a blame cushion for why certain things are the way they are.

In a perfect world, we would be game testers or QC and have access to builds every day. We arent in a perfect world though. That doesnt mean the program is useless.

For the past year, GPD and other devs have been taking ideas and running ideas past the GCs. Some of those ideas ended up in the game and some didnt.

I'll break down things point by point:

- Punches looking awkward: Martial saw the game in August. He immediately identified many strikes that looked poor. He spent alot of time talking to the devs about that issue. They then went and fixed a number of those strikes....specifically because Martial complained about them.Did they fix all of them? No because they didnt agree that all of them needed fixing but that is a specific example of a GC identifying an issue and getting a result. I probably could name 100s of similar examples over the last 2 games.

GC Power: You dont understand the purpose of the program. The community doesnt have control over the game. It never has. In the end, its always going to be EA. Just because we want something doesnt mean that EA simply rolls over and does it. It has to make sense for the game. It has to make financial sense for EA.

Just because they many not agree with something we say doesnt mean our roles are useless. For example, I'm a lawyer and my clients dont listen to me all the time. That doesnt mean that I'm not doing my job or that my position is useless.

We arent game testers. Thats not our purpose. Its never been. They have a team already that gets paid for that. We can argue about whether that team is doing their job well or not but thats besides the point. '

Ive never seen EA use the GC program as a publicity stunt or a cushion against blame. In fact, that doesnt make any sense. There are maybe less than a thousand people who know there is a UFC GC program and know who is in it. EA is advertising this. ****, they tweeted about a bunch of Youtubers coming to see the game but have never mentioned us. I'm happy about that though. We arent there to bring publicity or attention to the game. We are there to help develop the game in any way we can.

Its not a cushion against blame either. No one is saying "This bug was in the game and shouldve been caught by the GCs." If they are, they are ****ing stupid. EA is constantly (and sometimes deservedly taking the blame).

[SwedishTouch76]

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I know this will be unpopular but I don't think Martial Mind should be a GC. He exploited certain mechanics and combos in UFC 2 which leads to ppl seeing his YouTube vids and makes the problem worse. He exploited jab body kick in the Beta. Apparently uses the takedown to get out of clinch cheese.

I know ranked is win at all costs but to me a GC shouldn't be using cheese tactics to win. If you are don't make videos using it when naturally your viewers will use it too.

[Solid_Altair]

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I know this will be unpopular but I don't think Martial Mind should be a GC. He exploited certain mechanics and combos in UFC 2 which leads to ppl seeing his YouTube vids and makes the problem worse. He exploited jab body kick in the Beta. Apparently uses the takedown to get out of clinch cheese.

I know ranked is win at all costs but to me a GC shouldn't be using cheese tactics to win. If you are don't make videos using it when naturally your viewers will use it too.

It's so cute that that seems like an issue to you. It makes you look so impartial.

[SwedishTouch76]

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It's so cute that that seems like an issue to you. It makes you look so impartial.

Not really sure what that's supposed to mean. Point remains ppl watch his vids, see him having success using a broken tactic. They then go online and attempt to use the same tactic. Thus making that tactic spread. Not sure what's cute about that.

[Haz____]

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It's so cute that that seems like an issue to you. It makes you look so impartial.

I actually really really like Martial and think he brings a lot to the table when it comes to fighting for realism but Swedish has a very real point....

Martial has a GIANT following and people know hes a GCer. When 100000s of people are watching his videos and seeing him abuse cheezy exploits, not only does it give them an idea for a strategy they might not have thought of on their own, it also makes it seem like its totally ok to abuse these exploits. I mean, if the GCer is doing it, it must not be that cheesy right?

I can easily see how Martial can influence people in this way.

[Serengeti1]

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It's hilarious because as soon as MM does something in a video... everyone is doing it in ranked.

I don't think him being a GC is relevant here. The only thing I would say is that when he exploits things he should note that they are exploits and he's an advocate for changing them. He doesn't do that. He didn't with the kick catch anyway.... He was kinda acting like it was fine how it was. It's okay to use exploits on ranked. Literally everyone does. He should just make sure he says it's BS and is/will discuss it with the devs.

[SwedishTouch76]

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Thats simply the point I was making. People see him have success with a technique so of course they try it. He's literally advocating the failed TD attempt to escape clinch in a video I just watched. Yet I read a thread on here where ppl are pissed that bs is spreading online.

Pretty cute isn't it Solid?

[Solid_Altair]

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Not really sure what that's supposed to mean. Point remains ppl watch his vids, see him having success using a broken tactic. They then go online and attempt to use the same tactic. Thus making that tactic spread. Not sure what's cute about that.

The cute part is that you think those UFC 2 combos were cheesy.

Don't assume everyone agrees with what you consider cheese.

Also, I used the jab-body kick in the beta, too? Should I be evicted from GCs?

But wait, I don't even have 1k subscribers, so... no, right?

So, MartialMind shouldn't be a GC, because he has many subscribers? And that would go wel, because, if he weren't a GC, he would lose his viewership or credit and the masses would no longer immitate his style when he does something alledgedly broken? Good luck with that, mate.

I'm feeling dumb for reading another one of these threads. Even if the OP wasn't the usual nonsense, I should have guessed it would become this.

[ZombieRommel]

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Thats likely because you have no idea about the convos that the GCs have with the devs daily. You also dont really understand how the program works. I'm not saying this to be aggressive or a dick though.

The "seeing enough of the game to catch these" is the only issue. After August, we saw the game as much as the general public did. We didnt get a pre-launch event. The devs arent posting videos of the game in out chat. They arent giving us access to builds.

We played the beta the same time everyone else did. We got the final game the day EA Access released. So we've had the same amount of time as everyone else with the game. There was no way for the GCs to pick up on any of the issues before release. **** it still took the entire community, days and weeks to pick up on most of these issues.

Scrapping it would be a ****ing disaster. I would love to break down the amount of work that guys like Solid did to help get the game where it is right now but I cant go into great detail because of the NDA. He did all of that work for free and simply because he loves the game. The program costs EA a nominal amount compared to the amount the game brings in so that would be dumb as hell to scrap it.

Who knows? Maybe they will expand it or maybe people will drop off. I was old as hell when i started and that was 3-4 yrs ago. Other members have families and other responsibilities. So who knows if there will be new GCs for UFC 4.

Yeah I don't think this can be emphasized enough.

We are literally in communication with the developers daily, voicing whatever we think is wrong with the game. And since we are all different types of players and different people in general, we find different issues to raise to the surface. Kenetic, ZHunter, and I are mostly competitive players, so we are angling toward what can be done from a competitive perspective. Solid has a strong analytic background and is good at providing technical suggestions to GPD, which may be modified by him. Martial (while somewhat a competitive player) and AHolbert are looking closely at the immersion and AI elements of the game -- what can be done to make the fighters look and feel more like themselves, and what can be done to make the sport be represented more authentically.

Now, imagine this, ongoing daily. Even on weekends. GPD literally pops up to chat with us on the weekends, when he's NOT at work, just to talk about the game. And this is a person with a family to attend to, who has a life outside the game and other interests.

It's unnerving and disappointing to log onto this forum and see posts disparaging what the GC's have done in concert with the devs. If it were up to me, we would publish the transcripts of our conversations for you guys to read at leisure. And trust me. Even if you made it your job to read through them every day, eight hours a day, for a month, you wouldn't even be scratching the surface.

The NDA prevents us from being too open about the conversations we have, and for this reason, I really do not like being under the NDA. Selfishly, I would like you all to see what we have contributed. If you guys could see it, I think the sorts of disparaging posts appearing in this thread would evaporate, because they would have no basis.

MANY of the features currently in the game are in there because we prompted discussions with the developers, who ended up agreeing that they were worthwhile ideas. Much of the bad stuff you DON'T see in the game, is absent because we prompted discussions with devs to make sure the bad stuff doesn't appear.

As Aholbert said here, our time with the game was very limited for this release. We had lots of information, but there are only so many high-confidence conclusions you can make about any game without much playtime. EAC is made up of good people who like to play the game in accordance with some sense of sporting conduct. Many of the exploits and imbalances that arose in the competitive scene are a result of the game getting into the hands of players who I am convinced didn't have a human birth, but rather emerged spontaneously from sewers. Players with zero sporting conduct who do not care about fair play or authenticity or anything of the sort and just want to win at all cost. I can't speak for Xbox, but the composition of PS4's top 20 is akin to if all of the UFC's real-life champs were eye-gouging, fence grabbing, groin-kicking fighters who purposely held submissions too long. In other words, PS4's "top players" are almost uniformly exploiters and cheesers.

But have faith, the devs are aware - very aware. We make them aware. Martial and I have made rage-fueled reactionary comments to the devs (that I for one am not proud of), but which are informed by a genuine frustration stemming from real imbalances. These aren't being ignored. We are actively working toward making this game and this franchise better, nearly every single day of the year. So take heart in that. To anyone doubting what we are doing as GameChangers, I hope this post offers some illumination.