Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

[Boiler569]

I saw this post from ZR on a different thread, and wanted to focus on it here.

Sub artists are also OP, especially in lag. A Ronda on bottom is just broken. What makes it all the funnier is that sometimes you'll escape a sub or hit a reversal and wind up in side control, and the submissive fighter (Ronda) is able to transition BEFORE you can stand up off her.

I've had this happen as well. Eddie Alvarez reverses Ferg or escapes a Sub and ends up in side control --- I hold down the command to "Get Up" as I don't want to play w/ Ferg on the ground, but he's able to immediately transition from Side Control Sub to Full Guard.

His initiative to transition from Side Control Sub to Full Guard > My Transition to stand-up after a reversal or sub escape.

Is this intentional? Or due to lag?

Definitely seems to happen more against people w/ high Bottom stats.

ZR made it sound like it's due to lag. It's annoyed me before so trying to figure out if it's intended to be like this, or it really is lag lol

[Sivo]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

have had this happen in side control and back side mount(or whatever its called where u can use the bulldog choke) where the person on top has to wait for the bottom person to move first. My guess is its a stat/stamina thing

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

you can definitely do it. They give a slight pause when you first get in position to give the guy on bottom a second to transition. so you have to block their transition and then get up

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

you can definitely do it. They give a slight pause when you first get in position to give the guy on bottom a second to transition. so you have to block their transition and then get up

You shouldn't have to block anything. Just stand up.

Ive been complaining about this since ufc 2. Never gets any traction

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

You shouldn't have to block anything. Just stand up.

Ive been complaining about this since ufc 2. Never gets any traction

Yeah it sucks if they are using a good grappler.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

yeah the stand up is slower most of the time, so blocking is almost always required. It's annoying against Maia.

[Boiler569]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

When you pass from Half Guard to Side Control, I could see you not getting a 'free stand-up' against someone w/ good bottom game. Totally legit.

But it's definitely a pain to have this happen off an escaped sub/reversal.

Instead of putting him on his *** and into side control, I would have just disengaged, if I had the option.

Not saying every reversal should allow you to 'stop' mid-stream and just disengage....but that'd make sense in a lot of situations.

[Ksearyback]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

When you pass from Half Guard to Side Control, I could see you not getting a 'free stand-up' against someone w/ good bottom game. Totally legit.

But it's definitely a pain to have this happen off an escaped sub/reversal.
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Why? Standing up and making space from side control shouldn't be an issue. And it certainly shouldn't matter how you got there.

The only exception to this would be if they created some way for the bottom player to hug from bottom of side control. But right now this isn't the case

[Boiler569]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

Why? Standing up and making space from side control shouldn't be an issue. And it certainly shouldn't matter how you got there.

The only exception to this would be if they created some way for the bottom player to hug from bottom of side control. But right now this isn't the case

I was thinking more from a momentum point of view.

You should have "max momentum" (or should I say, Grapple Advantage??? ) when you score a reversal or escape a sub. You should definitely have a window (maybe small, but it should exist) to 'auto stand-up' that cannot be denied.

Whereas if you just went from half guard to side control....maybe you aren't at max stamina so are a bit slow reacting in your get-up....allowing your opponent to start rolling or hugging as you say (I know what you mean hahaha).

Plus "in theory" --- just after a sub escape or a reversal, your opponent might be in a bit of panic mode, or scrambling to recover their bearings. Giving you the initiative to stand-up.

Whereas when you are going from half guard to side control....a savvy opponent on the bottom might actually be a step or two ahead of you and not MIND that you are passing to side control, b/c they want to try to sprawl out (or in the example I used in my original post --- do a BJJ Transiition to Full Guard)

Point is, on the margin, I can see why in theory, you shouldn't get an auto-getup from side control, if you just obtained that position from half guard.

But i'm playing some devil's advocate too

[savage8_8]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

There is definitely an issue with standing up in general after a knockdown. Its been a problem since launch. I rock someone multiple times then get a knockdown and put the opponent in the layed over rocked state. When I jump to finish the fight after a few punches he manages to recover and now I'm in back side control. I go to stand up but since he is werdum his move into guard took priority over me standing up even though I'm on top of him then gets a sub for the win. Now I don't even risk trying to finish the fight unless I know 1 punch will put him to sleep. The only one that has the priority correct is after a successful stuff of a takedown and I'm in north south position. Never had any issue there.

[FriendlyJudoka]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

In real grappling, it can actually be a little tricky to get up with a savy bjj person underneath you even from side control. Think about it: in order to get up, you have to get your feet under your center of gravity. This means you are putting your feet right next to your opponent. Since you are getting up, you are taking pressure off the opponent as well as creating space. You are creating an excellent situation for a good grappler to hook your ankles and sweep you.

Sprawl/turtle position is totally different though.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

You shouldn't have to block anything. Just stand up.

Ive been complaining about this since ufc 2. Never gets any traction

You try getting up from a dominant position like side control against a world class grappler like Maia or Werdum and let me know how that goes for you.


I actually train BJJ at a 10th Planet gym and can assure you that there are several ways to attack an opponent in sub side control if they're attempting to stand-up.

As far as the game goes all you have to do is block a transition - is it really that difficult? If your ground game is that substandard then maybe you do deserve to get exposed. Otherwise being that the majority of submissions result in side control top for the defending fighter then we'll just see people immediately standing up after attaining side control.

The only position I'd be semi comfortable with this in would be north south. It'd actually give people reason to transition to north south as well.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

This is a general issue with many of the free escapes in the game. It would be great to have a general tuning to fix this, along with tuning priorities for other moves that don't exchange subtransitions... aaand also fixing some exchanges that for some weird reason favor one of the moves (the race doesn't play normally).

[Boiler569]

Re: Unable To Stand-Up From Side Control -- Bug or Intentional?

As far as the game goes all you have to do is block a transition - is it really that difficult? If your ground game is that substandard then maybe you do deserve to get exposed. Otherwise being that the majority of submissions result in side control top for the defending fighter then we'll just see people immediately standing up after attaining side control.

As far as the game goes, all you have to do is finish the sub, if your sub-finishing skill is that substandard maybe you deserve for opponent to be able to stand-up after failing a submission and they obtain top side control



I wouldn't really have a complaint if i were able to CHOOSE to escape/stand after a reversal or sub escape. If I choose not to escape and instead roll the dice on the ground, then I see your point for sure FTD.

But in some of these situations (especially reversal) --- I think it's only fair for you to have a chance to disengage, if you are going to land in a dominant position (Side Control or Top Mount)

Maybe not if you end up in their Full Guard since that's not dominant.

In reality --- I do now just sit on the denial when this happens against someone who is savvy on the ground. I just think it's unnecessary and kinda lame.

And ZombieRommel made it sound like it's from LAG and not intentional. But I feel as if it's both intentional, and made more extreme from lag at times.