Combo Spam

[MaccaC]

Re: Combo Spam

You two in a nutshell. Just incapable of reading. Since we are doing the cringy food metaphors, you're the guy who's only eaten McDonald's burgers (UFC) and thinks they're comparable to a steakhouse (Traditional fighting games with actual depth and nuance). Embrace being fast food. UFC/Fight Night and traditional sports games are about as similar as Call of Duty and Unreal Tournament. Technically they're under the same genre but they function completely differently.

I'll give it to you that is quite literally one of the worst attemps at a metaphor I've ever seen. I'm actually in shock that anyone could write anything both that unfunny and inaccurate.

Bravo.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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So I fought my first combo spammer / head movement spammer today ...a dominick Cruz ...a friend of mine . Normally he's a sway spammer and for some reason he starts 2 jabs and spams hooks ...he won a lot of fights but I won some tho. Now I see what you guys mean. Honestly it pisses me off that these guys have no respect for the art that this game possess . You box beautifully in this game but some would rather cheese to victory .

I getting out of the pocket as soon as a jab caught me . To avoid the spam .

It's frustrating but it is what it is . Every time he caught me with the spam it was a rock guaranteed for real .

Tried to counter if it was too late and duck the hooks and get an upper cut but I felt I wasn't concentrating and landing good shots with hard combos . As he would use cruz's movement to evade once he had landed strikes .

Will watch the video on how to fight these guys ..

Don't even know what to say right now .

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[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Alright, gentlemen. Here is a video disproving all of the claims about stamina not being drained and combos being too effective to counter.

Aside from one misread on an overhand where I get rocked, this is exactly how you want to fight these guys. Hug block on their combos, back lean and back lunge, and throw either safe combos starting with jabs/straights or throw planted single shot hooks/uppercuts while on the retreat. At one point in the video I do a back lean and a back lunge to avoid two strikes back-to-back. I also don't get very greedy. I rock him at one point and he comes back with a counter so I immediately cancel my offense and hold on the block.

This guy threw 189 strikes and only landed 28. He waited until his temporary stamina was almost full most of the time. Look at his stamina. LOOK AT IT. It's almost halfway drained by the end of the first round. He wasn't even whiffing lean counters or whiffing overall entirely that often. Most of those strikes count as missed on the scoreboard because I blocked them. This guy is using Rumble Johnson who has the second highest power in the game. I thought combos were too powerful and don't drain enough stamina?

Now this guy isn't like the guys who stick to you like glue with high block up, but those guys don't throw a lot of strikes. That makes it a different problem entirely.

Enjoy: https://streamable.com/jo093

P.S. There is a block breaker that doesn't end with an overhand or head kick and doesn't start with 1212. Have fun with it.

What's the block breaker you speak off ?

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[RetractedMonkey]

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What's the block breaker you speak off ?

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Jab-Rear Uppercut Jab-Lead Hook-Rear Hook

In the video I started with a 12 but I prefer the uppercut.

This won't always knock them down at the beginning of the fight, but once you've dealt some damage, it will always put them on the ground.

[WarMMA]

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Alright, gentlemen. Here is a video disproving all of the claims about stamina not being drained and combos being too effective to counter.

Aside from one misread on an overhand where I get rocked, this is exactly how you want to fight these guys. Hug block on their combos, back lean and back lunge, and throw either safe combos starting with jabs/straights or throw planted single shot hooks/uppercuts while on the retreat. At one point in the video I do a back lean and a back lunge to avoid two strikes back-to-back. I also don't get very greedy. I rock him at one point and he comes back with a counter so I immediately cancel my offense and hold on the block.

This guy threw 189 strikes and only landed 28. He waited until his temporary stamina was almost full most of the time. Look at his stamina. LOOK AT IT. It's almost halfway drained by the end of the first round. He wasn't even whiffing lean counters or whiffing overall entirely that often. Most of those strikes count as missed on the scoreboard because I blocked them. This guy is using Rumble Johnson who has the second highest power in the game. I thought combos were too powerful and don't drain enough stamina?

Now this guy isn't like the guys who stick to you like glue with high block up, but those guys don't throw a lot of strikes. That makes it a different problem entirely.

Enjoy: https://streamable.com/jo093

P.S. There is a block breaker that doesn't end with an overhand or head kick and doesn't start with 1212. Have fun with it.

That guy was trash tbh. Not to take anything away from you..you're a good player as I've stated before, but that was a bad example. This guy was just in there swinging for the fences. The reason his long term stamina drained like that is cuz he rarely ever let it refill before engaging again. You said he waited for it to refill, but he rarely did that. When you do that your long term stamina drains way quicker. The types of players we are talking about are competent players that throw lots of combos and strikes, meaning they are still efficient while doing what they do.

[RetractedMonkey]

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He was letting it regen until one little bit at the end. In the beginning of the fight he was letting it come almost all the way back and all the same he ended up with almost no stamina.

Again, I have seen no proof whatsoever from anyone here. It's all hearsay. I put forth an effort to bring evidence, it's time for someone else to do it for their side if anyone from this movement wants to be taken seriously.

[DaisukEasy]

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Alright, gentlemen. Here is a video disproving all of the claims about stamina not being drained and combos being too effective to counter.

That doesn't really look like the kind of combo spam I've had to deal with. Sure, he throws combo's recklessly, but he doesn't extend them by swaying and he didn't really wait for his stamina to fill back up, which is where it becomes a bit silly.

- Person throws a combination of hooks and uppercuts in some order. 3 to 4 punches usually.
- After last punch, ducks or sways left/right, starts another combination of hooks & uppercuts 3 to 4 punches
- Walk backwards and let their stamina fill back up.

Sure, you can counter any of their combo's with headmovement, but you're fundamentally guessing. And if you guess wrong, you get rocked.

If you're risk averse like me, blocking and retreating seems like the smart and safe option, but it's not. Because the combo pre-sway eats your block meter up and post sway it just goes straight through.

I've tried blocking the first few hits pre-sway, then throw a single planted upper or hook depending on which way I think their heads will move. Even when I guessed right and saw my fighter load up their punch as my opponent leaned his head into it, they somehow manage to throw their own punch and still have it come out before mine and I got rocked anyway..

Is it unbeatable? Not at all, but you're forced to play that game, which I hate. Timing, footwork, pattern recognition, distance management or anything else related to fight IQ seems irrelevant. It's just RPS over and over again..

Am I missing something?


Disclaimer: I haven't really played the game much at all, so I'm pretty terrible. It's entirely possible that I'm actually missing an obvious solution, but so far this has been my experience..

[WarMMA]

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He was letting it regen until one little bit at the end. In the beginning of the fight he was letting it come almost all the way back and all the same he ended up with almost no stamina.

Again, I have seen no proof whatsoever from anyone here. It's all hearsay. I put forth an effort to bring evidence, it's time for someone else to do it for their side if anyone from this movement wants to be taken seriously.

Almost ain't good enough though...when you don't let it fully regen it drains way quicker. The kind of players we are talking about actually let their stamina fully regen before engaging again...they are competent players. I'm honestly surprised you haven't ran into anyone like this yet tbh.

[RetractedMonkey]

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All anyone has to do to shut me up is show me a video. I am totally open to the idea that this is a thing, but I find it highly unlikely because as War said, maybe I just haven't run into this.

[NextupNico]

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All anyone has to do to shut me up is show me a video. I am totally open to the idea that this is a thing, but I find it highly unlikely because as War said, maybe I just haven't run into this.

A lot has happened in this thread so I’m a little lost is your argument that people can’t use stylish combos against? I thought this thread was repeating combos without consequence.


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[RetractedMonkey]

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A lot has happened in this thread so I’m a little lost is your argument that people can’t use stylish combos against? I thought this thread was repeating combos without consequence.


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The guys in this thread all have different combinations of opinions and I disagree with all of them.

My argument is that people throwing combos are easily counterable AND the combos drain proper stamina when you know how to defend them correctly.

[NextupNico]

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The guys in this thread all have different combinations of opinions and I disagree with all of them.



My argument is that people throwing combos are easily counterable AND the combos drain proper stamina when you know how to defend them correctly.

Ah I get you now. But idk I’ve been spammed into the ground by “top” players and I’m not about jumping backwards to maybe lead one clean or blocked straight as garbrandt throws 300 hooks in the tight circle. Since the nerf to counters happened those outside slipping lead hooks, and inside slipping Mach speed rear hooks have taken over.


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[Phillyboi207]

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The guys in this thread all have different combinations of opinions and I disagree with all of them.

My argument is that people throwing combos are easily counterable AND the combos drain proper stamina when you know how to defend them correctly.

But that’s still proving the main point

Combos themselves should be tiring regardless if they’re defended properly or not. That is the crux of the issue and you continue to dance around that.

If you dont care about realism that’s your choice. Others do and we feel like the stamina drain on blocked strikes is way too low.

[RetractedMonkey]

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But that’s still proving the main point

Combos themselves should be tiring regardless if they’re defended properly or not. That is the crux of the issue and you continue to dance around that.

If you dont care about realism that’s your choice. Others do and we feel like the stamina drain on blocked strikes is way too low.

If you're using the numbers argument against me, I have some bad news for you. I guarantee that the majority of the buyers (casual players not on this board) don't want huge stamina drain on combos.

They want to button mash against their friends.

So on the contrary, if you DO care about realism that's YOUR choice. The game is built around the facade of realism and that's not going to change EVER. The only issues that will be taken seriously are about balance. Which is why I'm using balance as the crux of my argument. I'm not dancing around your opinion, I'm ignoring it entirely because that part of it is irrelevant.

As long as this style of gameplay has a reasonable counter to it, it's fine. Which is why this is simply another issue that will leave you dogs barking at the moon with no feedback.

[Morgan Monkman]

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Its pretty annoying guys throwing combos are able to throw head kicks or spinning kicks while standing right in front of you and they will land