Takedowns don’t cost enough stamina when stuffed

[Freshly Baked Gregg]

Evidence: https://youtu.be/hl03iASajdw

I understand they can be hard to get but at the same time, this is kind of silly. I denied multiple takedowns and the stamina punishment was far too lenient.


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[aholbert32]

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Evidence: https://youtu.be/hl03iASajdw

I understand they can be hard to get but at the same time, this is kind of silly. I denied multiple takedowns and the stamina punishment was far too lenient.


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The Gcs were talking about this yesterday. The stamina penalty is good on early denials and back to back takedown attempts but its not the same on late denials.

With that said, what would you expect Jones' (who has pretty good grapple stamina and Endurance) to be after round 1? He missed 5 takedowns, all of them were single leg attempts and late denials. None of them were back to back (he wasnt spamming them) and they were single legs that dont really take a ton of energy to attempt in real life.

[Freshly Baked Gregg]

Re: Takedowns don’t cost enough stamina when stuffed

The Gcs were talking about this yesterday. The stamina penalty is good on early denials and back to back takedown attempts but its not the same on late denials.



With that said, what would you expect Jones' (who has pretty good grapple stamina and Endurance) to be after round 1? He missed 5 takedowns, all of them were single leg attempts and late denials. None of them were back to back (he wasnt spamming them) and they were single legs that dont really take a ton of energy to attempt in real life.

You make a good point. Thanks for your input. Good to hear it is being discussed!


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[ucanthandlethefacts]

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5 high crotch shots in a round would actually take quite a lot out of you. They're not real single legs and if they're from the outside they take even more energy.

[aholbert32]

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5 high crotch shots in a round would actually take quite a lot out of you. They're not real single legs and if they're from the outside they take even more energy.

How much energy should a high stamina guy like Jones lose in a round simply because he attempted and failed 5 takedowns? Serious question. I hope that you get a chance to answer this before they ban you again since you are a previously banned user.

[ucanthandlethefacts]

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How much energy should a high stamina guy like Jones lose in a round simply because he attempted and failed 5 takedowns? Serious question. I hope that you get a chance to answer this before they ban you again since you are a previously banned user.

there's a reason I didn't disagree with your general statement. What you said about jones was true, and I didn't disagree with it.

the second half was just blatantly wrong so i made a correction. Jones's endurance is good enough that i still think its okay

[Dave_S]

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I understand it can be frustrating, but the ground game and takedowns feel so nerfed I think extra stamina penalty on takedowns would be bananas.

Most of the takedowns feel very lazy and not explosive anyways, imo. Not big stamina burners.

[Morgan Monkman]

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How much energy should a high stamina guy like Jones lose in a round simply because he attempted and failed 5 takedowns? Serious question. I hope that you get a chance to answer this before they ban you again since you are a previously banned user.

Unfortunately with the way it is set up i don't think we can fix this problem, what we need is a "struggle state" where the fighter that is going for the takedown can decide to expend more energy to secure the takedown or let it go, costing less stamina.

[aholbert32]

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Unfortunately with the way it is set up i don't think we can fix this problem, what we need is a "struggle state" where the fighter that is going for the takedown can decide to expend more energy to secure the takedown or let it go, costing less stamina.

This.

Been asking for this for awhile.

[ShogunsAssassin]

Re: Takedowns don’t cost enough stamina when stuffed

Stopped 19 takedowns in 1 round earlier. It was just constant shooting. I ended the round with less stam than the other guy.


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[johnmangala]

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This.

Been asking for this for awhile.

Good news. With GPD and MM shooting TD struggle down- the outlook seemed bleak.

Hopefully TDs can be treated like a position so we can have a struggle state.

This combined with grounded mobility would be huge improvements to grappling. The up coming patch would be a good start.

This opens the way for subs to be treated as a position too. To able to strike and move within subs would be great. This can be a hopeful for EA UFC 4.

[Freshly Baked Gregg]

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I understand it can be frustrating, but the ground game and takedowns feel so nerfed I think extra stamina penalty on takedowns would be bananas.



Most of the takedowns feel very lazy and not explosive anyways, imo. Not big stamina burners.

I agree. Adding a larger stamina tax would make it unbalanced, but if they changed that around a bit, the extra stamina tax would make sense.


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[TheGentlemanGhost]

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Stamina drain is so weird. I've seen huge stamina drain a good chunk off an opponent just from getting up after they were on their back after I decided to stand up or something minimal like that. I don't get it at all.

But unless the devs decide to add a proper takedown mechanic that represents most take down attempts in MMA, I guess a denied tda that only last a sec or two doesn't need a stamina drain...But it still should be punished when it's spammed.

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[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Takedowns don’t cost enough stamina when stuffed

I understand it can be frustrating, but the ground game and takedowns feel so nerfed I think extra stamina penalty on takedowns would be bananas.

Most of the takedowns feel very lazy and not explosive anyways, imo. Not big stamina burners.

Exactly Dave you just spoke my mind . Take downs are one of the few weapons one can use against spammers ...why nerf it even more ?

Why ?

Why ?



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[Generative James]

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Stamina drain is so weird. I've seen huge stamina drain a good chunk off an opponent just from getting up after they were on their back after I decided to stand up or something minimal like that. I don't get it at all.
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I noticed this too but then I noticed that anytime you clinch or go to the ground both fighter actually get a permanent stamina boost that then goes back down when the fight goes back to the feet.

I thai clinched Holly Holm one night and freaked out when I saw her permanent stamina suddenly go way up. Upon closer inspection, my stamina also went up and both went back down when she escaped.